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Why the Enneagram is negative

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    KazeCraven Graduated from Typology : May 2011
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    In case you haven't already been made aware:

    Above is a quote from an author who has written at least a couple of books about the Enneagram.

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    Above is an image from here: http://www.enneagraminstitute.com/extendedsample.asp?flash



    The enneagram institute shows that at the highest level of development we self-actualize and stop identifying with our type-specific self-image. This one still sounds like our most developed level is type influenced, but it is clear that we must overcome most of our personality to get there.
     
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    which, from the perspective of the true, or spiritual, self, are nine illusions about life; and that illusion is the natural starting place for both psychological and spiritual growth.

    woah, that's fascinating. i knew the enneagram had an insubstantial basis, but i didn't realize to what extent. that description makes it sound almost like a religion.

    then again, the MBTI isn't exactly concrete science either.
     
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    Moved to enneagram subforum.
     
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    Enneagram is based on inherent fears. That's of course going to be a negative starting point. However, how people handle, compensate for, and overcome those fears is also the basis for Enneagram, so it's essentially a negative to positive system.

    Enneagram is also based on a volume of conjecture and assumption with very little scientific evidence, so it's easy to equate it to religion. MBTI is similar, in that there is a lot of conjecture and assumption, but there is much more scientific evidence supporting the MBTI as well as a scientific approach to the system which includes acknowledgment of the possibility of error for a multitude of reasons. I'm not saying MBTI is perfectly valid by any means, just that it's more scientific in approach, while agreeing that Enneagram is more 'religion' in approach.
     
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    Yeah, I don't really care for the Enneagram anymore. All I know is that the path of a type 4 seems the most motivating to me, so I learned to actively seek depth and intensity (both of emotion and experience). Whether or not I am actually a type 4 is unimportant to me, especially considering the goal is transcendence of type anyway.
     
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    Exactly what I was thinking about today. The best feature of the Enneagram was to get me to analyze my motivations. I'm motivated by a need to be loved, a refusal to be controlled, and a deep core of idealism. It doesn't matter which of these is the most affecting, nor if it fits neatly into any of the boxes. The benefit is having taken a deeper look into a part of myself that I don't normally notice.
     
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    Of course, we are not types. We are people, far more complicated than personality descriptions. I think many here already know that. We are simply using it as a tool to get a better understanding of ourselves - take what we find useful and then figure out how it can help us improve and develop.

    i mean, it doesn't have to be all or nothing you know. :)
     
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    my dumb ass seems to keep forgetting this every time I hyperfocus on the details. hehe
     
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    +1
     
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    People certainly seem to use it like religion, thats for sure.
     
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