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Why are we so apathetic?

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Do you think that apathy is the main problem, denial, or is it just sheer ignorance to the actual facts?

The Numbers Are Staggering: U.S. Is a 'World Leader' in Child Poverty

The callousness of America's political and business leaders is shocking once you start looking at the numbers.

America's wealth grew by 60 percent in the past six years, by over $30 trillion. In approximately the same time, the number of homeless children has also grown by 60 percent.

Financier and CEO Peter Schiff said, "People don’t go hungry in a capitalist economy." The 16 million kids on food stamps know what it's like to go hungry. Perhaps, some in Congress would say, those children should be working. "There is no such thing as a free lunch," insisted Georgia Representative Jack Kingston, even for schoolkids, who should be required to "sweep the floor of the cafeteria" (as theyactually do at a charter school in Texas).

The callousness of U.S. political and business leaders is disturbing, shocking. Hunger is just one of the problems of our children. Teacher Sonya Romero-Smith told about the two little homeless girls she adopted: "Getting rid of bedbugs, that took us a while. Night terrors, that took a little while. Hoarding food.."

America is a 'Leader' in Child Poverty

The U.S. has one of the highest relative child poverty rates in the developed world. As UNICEF reports, "[Children's] material well-being is highest in the Netherlands and in the four Nordic countries and lowest in Latvia, Lithuania, Romania and the United States."

Over half of public school students are poor enough to qualify for lunch subsidies, and almost half of black children under the age of six are living in poverty.

$5 a Day for Food, But Congress Thought it was Too Much.

Nearly half of all food stamp recipients are children, and they averaged about$5 a day for their meals before the 2014 farm bill cut $8.6 billion (over the next ten years) from the food stamp program.

In 2007 about 12 of every 100 kids were on food stamps. Today it's 20 of every 100.

For Every 2 Homeless Children in 2006, There Are Now 3

On a typical frigid night in January, 138,000 children, according to the U.S. Department of Housing, were without a place to call home.

That's about the same number of households that have each increased their wealth by $10 million per yearsince the recession.

The US: Near the Bottom in Education, and Sinking

The U.S. ranks near the bottom of the developed worldin the percentage of 4-year-olds in early childhood education. Early education should be a primary goal for the future, as numerous studies have shown that pre-school helps allchildren to achieve more and earn more through adulthood, with the most disadvantaged benefiting the most. But we're going in the opposite direction.Head Start was recently hit with the worst cutbacks in its history.

Children's Rights? Not in the U.S.

It's hard to comprehend the thinking of people who cut funding for homeless and hungry children. It may be delusion about trickle-down, it may be indifference to poverty, it may be resentment toward people unable to "make it on their own."

The indifference and resentment and disdain for society reach around the globe. Only two nations still refuse to ratify the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child: South Sudan and the United States. When President Obama said, "I believe America is exceptional," he was close to the truth, in a way he and his wealthy friends would never admit.


http://www.alternet.org/economy/numbers-are-staggering-us-world-leader-child-poverty

 
There are so many factors that lead to child poverty and homelessness. Considering I live in a state that is experiencing a crisis with the amount of kids in foster care, all I see is a lot of finger pointing and not enough cooperation for result. Arizona and Texas both have the highest amount of children in foster care. Maricopa County alone has about 15,500 kids in foster care ... a 40% increase since 2010.

The Arizona Republic reported in October 2014 that Arizona has by far the highest rate of children removed from their homes and placed in foster care of any state in the U.S. While most other states in the U.S. are seeing declines in foster care placements, Arizona is seeing the biggest percentage of increase among U.S. states. Over the past decade, Arizona had the second largest increase in the nation, adding 7,296 children. Texas, with 4 times the population, had the most with 8,294. (Source.) - See more at: http://medicalkidnap.com/2014/11/11...-state-office-buildings/#sthash.AP88PGBO.dpuf

Most are pointing toward the fact that the state cut funding to parents in need during the recession. Though "poverty" is not what causes children to be placed in foster care, it is a great risk factor. The #1 reason children are pulled into foster care is parental substance abuse. However, you cannot see the statistics for child homelessness without looking at general foster care numbers. Take a look at these numbers as well:

1 in 2 kids will live in a single parent family at some point in the childhood; will never complete one year in college.
1 in 3 kids are born to unmarried parents; will be poor at some point in their childhood; is behind a year or more in school.
1 in 4 kids lives with one parent; lives in a family where no parent has full time year round employment
1 in 5 kids is born poor; born to a mother who did not graduate from high school
1 in 6 kids is poor now; born to a mother who didn't receive prenatal care the 1st 3 months of pregnancy
1 in 7 kids never graduates from high school; receives assistance through Child Care and Development Block.
1 in 8 kids does have health insurance; has an employed person in family but still poor; lives in a family receiving food stamps.
1 in 9 kids is born to a teenage mother.
1 in 12 kids has a disability.
1 in 13 kids is born with low birth weight; will be arrested at least once before age 17.
(Children's Defense Fund)
 
Most people have no clue...

I think if they knew - they would try to do something about it if given solutions.

I didn't realize TX was second to having the most children in foster care. I was at a meeting today where CPS (Child Protective Services) was giving us an update on the new program changes. They HAVE to look like they're doing something now because they've been sued for not doing anything about the atrocious children issues going on here. It sounds like some congressman jacking off....

They still crow about Preventing Child Abuse - yet their Mission is to make sure children are returned to the parents. I have NEVER understood that rationale.... They don't offer real mental health and training to parents so what makes them think they won't abuse their children when they're returned? They'll just make sure no one notices.... Besides... can you imagine what it might feel like for a child who was abused by their parent(s) to be returned to them????....often to the same environment where the abuse/neglect took place????

grrrrrrrrr.

Remember...those at the top do not care about the masses. That is never more obvious than when it comes to the care of children in this state. There is NO SUCH THING as CHILD ABUSE PREVENTION. There is only recognition of it AFTER it's taking place.
 
I didn't see mention of anything about child abuse in the article though, it was talking about poverty and homelessness...
 
The US is not the world leader in child poverty. Not even close. This is some ridiculous
.... ok let me calm down.
China and North Korea just off the top of my head.
Use your head.
 
There are so many factors that lead to child poverty and homelessness. Considering I live in a state that is experiencing a crisis with the amount of kids in foster care, all I see is a lot of finger pointing and not enough cooperation for result. Arizona and Texas both have the highest amount of children in foster care. Maricopa County alone has about 15,500 kids in foster care ... a 40% increase since 2010.



Most are pointing toward the fact that the state cut funding to parents in need during the recession. Though "poverty" is not what causes children to be placed in foster care, it is a great risk factor. The #1 reason children are pulled into foster care is parental substance abuse. However, you cannot see the statistics for child homelessness without looking at general foster care numbers. Take a look at these numbers as well:

1 in 2 kids will live in a single parent family at some point in the childhood; will never complete one year in college.
1 in 3 kids are born to unmarried parents; will be poor at some point in their childhood; is behind a year or more in school.
1 in 4 kids lives with one parent; lives in a family where no parent has full time year round employment
1 in 5 kids is born poor; born to a mother who did not graduate from high school
1 in 6 kids is poor now; born to a mother who didn't receive prenatal care the 1st 3 months of pregnancy
1 in 7 kids never graduates from high school; receives assistance through Child Care and Development Block.
1 in 8 kids does have health insurance; has an employed person in family but still poor; lives in a family receiving food stamps.
1 in 9 kids is born to a teenage mother.
1 in 12 kids has a disability.
1 in 13 kids is born with low birth weight; will be arrested at least once before age 17.
(Children's Defense Fund)

Exactly. People don't realize that the solutions to this kind of issue are complex and have to be from multiple areas of service and policy coming together to solve it at many different levels. It's deeper; it's about culture and institutional structure and policy.
 
I didn't see mention of anything about child abuse in the article though, it was talking about poverty and homelessness...

Neglect is grounds for removing a child from their current condition, if the parents cannot meet the "Minimum Sufficient Level of Care." It is not abuse in terms of physical, emotional or sexual abuse ... but neglect is a form of abuse (medical, educational, inability to provide housing & food, etc.) States will do all they can to provide families with everything they need in order to not remove children from their parents; however it is also a matter of the parents satisfying their court order. The majority of neglect (and child removal from home) arises from parental substance abuse.

(... and to correct [MENTION=2578]Kgal[/MENTION], Texas is #1 regarding amount of children in foster care, Arizona falling second. ) :) The magnitude of the crisis is so much more than you can even think. Think of the rise of children who are in foster care, the court hearing backlogs b/c there are not enough court appointed attorneys, judges, etc to manage the flow. On top of that, you have people in those positions easily leaving their high stress, nonrewarding job to a higher paid, less stressful job. The crisis is so significant that CASA in Maricopa County is not a nonprofit organization (as it is everywhere else in the USA), but an organization backed by the state (receiving funding from unclaimed lottery funds as allocated by the Governor.)

Touching on the disproportionate amount of "children of color" being in foster care vs. white children: factors that are quite obvious, but another one people don't take into consideration is that parents from Black or Latino background face higher probability of incarceration (due to inability to pay for decent lawyer or other reasons) and also longer sentencing terms. Given you are removing a parent from a scenario, this creates a single-parent household where there remaining parent cannot financially meet the needs of their child.
 
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The US is not the world leader in child poverty. Not even close. This is some ridiculous
.... ok let me calm down.
China and North Korea just off the top of my head.
Use your head.
Why so apathetic?
 
Intj remember? :)

Well if children starving and being homeless is less important than fighting terrorists and making war…which is what our country is prioritizing.
I would say it isn’t just an INTJ problem but a lack of humanity in society.
 
I didn't see mention of anything about child abuse in the article though, it was talking about poverty and homelessness...

That's a good point. I was going off of what Sriracha posted about children in foster care. Sorry I got off on another tangent.
 
Well if children starving and being homeless is less important than fighting terrorists and making war…which is what our country is prioritizing.
I would say it isn’t just an INTJ problem but a lack of humanity in society.

Right. So, so long as children are eating you would be fine with living in Nazi controlled America. Got ya.
 
Well if children starving and being homeless is less important than fighting terrorists and making war…which is what our country is prioritizing.
I would say it isn’t just an INTJ problem but a lack of humanity in society.

Right. So, so long as children are eating you would be fine with living in Nazi controlled America. Got ya.
 
Right. So, so long as children are eating you would be fine with living in Nazi controlled America. Got ya.

Right. So, so long as children are eating you would be fine with living in Nazi controlled America. Got ya.

I got your point the first time ;-)

How do you extrapolate “nazi” america from feeding the hungry children in America?
I said nothing of the sort.
With the largest part of our budget every year and growing has been military spending…do you honestly think if we scaled that back we would somehow become occupied?
Nonsense.

Or is your line of thinking that because it gives money to social programs and somehow we’ll all be “socialists” whom Murica like to confuse with Nazism?
Explain.
(Then I gotta go get the nerves in my back burned out…so I’ll write you back after all the good drugs where off! hehe)
 
I would not say that I am apathetic about this subject matter though I feel no personal responsibility to actively correct it. I think there are a lot of things happening that work into this situation as a whole and there are too many variables that would need to be tackled consistently for there to be a change. The way things are tends to be the result of multiple poor decisions made sequentially by many different people and the result tends to be the birth of children who will learn to make the same mistakes.

As someone who has no interest or care for children and no respect for people who have children but neglect them I find it hard to put too much personal feeling into this kind of situation. It's not that I can't have compassion for people who struggle, but I find it difficult to rally for people who tend to not be rallying much for themselves. Perhaps that's an ignorance thing, and when I use that word I do not mean it as an insult. I do not think people believe there could be a better way. Perhaps this is all just the result of generations of conditioning and not understanding that change can happen... A change that I don't have much interest in participating in because the issue is not personal to me.

I don't think people need to care about issues like this. I do think that everyone has some aspect of the world that they feels sadness about or feel irritation or even disgust about. The issues that I am not apathetic towards just so happen to not be related to poor kids.
 
I would not say that I am apathetic about this subject matter though I feel no personal responsibility to actively correct it. I think there are a lot of things happening that work into this situation as a whole and there are too many variables that would need to be tackled consistently for there to be a change. The way things are tends to be the result of multiple poor decisions made sequentially by many different people and the result tends to be the birth of children who will learn to make the same mistakes.

As someone who has no interest or care for children and no respect for people who have children but neglect them I find it hard to put too much personal feeling into this kind of situation. It's not that I can't have compassion for people who struggle, but I find it difficult to rally for people who tend to not be rallying much for themselves. Perhaps that's an ignorance thing, and when I use that word I do not mean it as an insult. I do not think people believe there could be a better way. Perhaps this is all just the result of generations of conditioning and not understanding that change can happen... A change that I don't have much interest in participating in because the issue is not personal to me.

I don't think people need to care about issues like this. I do think that everyone has some aspect of the world that they feels sadness about or feel irritation or even disgust about. The issues that I am not apathetic towards just so happen to not be related to poor kids.

As much as I do like kids, I also agree with this. As messed up as the system is, if people have problems and seriously put their heart into changing things for themselves, there is usually something they can do about it rather than just sitting around feeling sorry for themselves and letting the issue fester. Not saying it's easy for everyone who does try and some people are truly at a disadvantage, but trying to cast doom and gloom upon everyone because of it and thinking that's going to do something is a joke.
 
As much as I do like kids, I also agree with this. As messed up as the system is, if people have problems and seriously put their heart into changing things for themselves, there is usually something they can do about it rather than just sitting around feeling sorry for themselves and letting the issue fester. Not saying it's easy for everyone who does try and some people are truly at a disadvantage, but trying to cast doom and gloom upon everyone because of it and thinking that's going to do something is a joke.

Agreed.

For example I know of some people who have children who do not work and live off of welfare and who seem very happy to do so. Some of them talk of having more kids because they'll get more money from the government. Despite not having jobs and sitting at home all day, they can barely be fussed to manage their children, their pets or their home because they want to laze around all day and do nothing. These people were raised by a father who never worked and a mother who goes job to job and consistently under performs. These people leach off the system and their children will suffer as will their grand children because they are fucking trash scum who don't want to put time and energy into improving their own lives as they are on easy street getting paid for doing nothing. Now under some circumstances I might think that they were simply ignorant and didn't understand that it could be different, but in this case they're really just piece of shit people.

On the other hand, you have people who grew up without adequate parenting and perhaps who were in an educational system that wasn't supportive of their needs. Perhaps they were under performing because things at home were bad. Perhaps the educational resources and time wasn't available and perhaps because they were shuffled through the system they weren't given an opportunity to succeed whereas under different circumstances perhaps they could have. Maybe because of their lack of education, support and resources they are unable to earn a decent wage. It may be that an accident (child) happened and after trying to provide for themselves by flipping burgers they were forced into a situation where they felt desperate and created a situation where the child had to be put in a foster home or blah blah blah.

I think there is a very clear division when people truly can be victims of circumstances and those who take advantage of them. How do you separate them and ensure the right people are getting the right support? At what point do you have to essentially punish children for the mistakes of their parents (eliminating their benefits, welfare, what have you) vs. pulling the child out of their home and putting them in foster care because their parents cannot adequately care for them? And then at what point do you decide that the parents are just overall terrible human beings who refuse to provide for their kids and who abuse them or engage in unsafe, illegal activities, relationships, etc?

I am OK with painting in broad strokes and generalizations in some situations but I think people forget how these kinds of circumstances are created and instead of figuring out the root cause, one solution after another is brought to the table and none of it sticks because at the root of it, people make bad choices and people are brought up in the wake of their parents bad choices and the pattern repeats. So how do you nip it in the bud and help people have at least a sliver of a chance at leading a fulfilling life that doesn't have to involve food stamps and scraping by trying to make ends meet?

I get so tired of people feeling sorry for people.