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Whats with the Obama bashing?

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No, really. This isn't just directed towards Conservatives, but most people out there.

I don't see the logic in blaming one single Democratic president for our troubles when the past 50 years of our country's leadership has fallen mainly on the Republican party - in Congress and Executive branches. I feel sorry for the guy really.

If you look at some of the bills he's introduced and the attitude Congress has taken towards most of his policies, you can tell that he has the right idea in mind, the right goals, the right direction, etc. But once they get filtered out through all of the bureaucratic BS in Washington, we get half-measures and bastardizations of the original idea.

Take Universal Healthcare. This is pretty solid idea that's been practiced by most of the developed world for years now. As president, all he had to do was say Universal Healthcare and everyone would have known what he meant. Instead, trying to appeal to the Conservatives who were dead-set against it, we ended up with "Obamacare" which is a complete paradox of what Universal Healthcare should be. Yet the Republicans still complain about it being "Socialist".

What about bail-outs? The idea was sound - prevent the same crisis that caused the Great Depression and give banks and major corporations the funding they needed to stay afloat. Was Obama the one responsible for how those businesses spent that money? Now another one of those businesses is talking about manufacturing parts and giving jobs to China. Yep, the money our government gave them is going to China. How's that for patriotism? Again though, who was to blame, the President of the USA or the company?

Another issue - forget about constantly compromising!

If Republicans just stuck with the areas they're good at and the Democrats stuck with their areas of expertise we would all be much better off. Let the Democrats decide things like public policy and welfare programs. Let the Republicans decide things like budget and national defense. It's when the two try to meet in the middle like this that we get problems.

Instead of taking one single, simple idea and seeing it through to the end, they take one idea, dissect it, add to it and then reform it over and over again until it's mutated into an unrecognizable mess. I pity any person that ends up walking in on the middle of this chaos like Obama did in 2008/09.

If there's anything or anyone that should be blamed for the state of affairs we're in, it should be anyone who's help an office over the last 50+ years. Their short-sightedness, dependency on oil, crop subsidies, Free-Trade agreements and war mongering has created this mess we're in. It's not just one single person responsible for all of it.

For the 8 years Bush was in office, he pretty much built a house of cards with our entire country; everything was in place as long as he and like-minded people were there to manipulate it. Bring in a different mind-set and the whole thing topples over. So who's to blame? The people that intentionally or unintentionally created this mess, or the hapless people that walked in, in the middle of it?
 
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Look, we had eight years of relentless Bush bashing. Bashing the president is part of american culture. If the Obama bashing is getting under your nerves, remember that it's a heck of a lot better than living somewhere that bashing the President gets you thrown in jail. The truth is that no president has all that much power -- its absolutely rediculous to blame what happens in the economy on any president. But...people still will. And I noticed that you used your post against Obama bashing to bash Bush, so really, how are you any different?
 
Georgia's electoral vote went to McCain. :shrugs: I didn't vote for Obama. I do my best to not bash him, but wait eagerly for 2012.

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It is election time soon and the political process is a cesspool. There is going to be nonstop Obama bashing until he is out of office and then some, but it will be especially bad this election.
 
Look, we had eight years of relentless Bush bashing. Bashing the president is part of american culture. If the Obama bashing is getting under your nerves, remember that it's a heck of a lot better than living somewhere that bashing the President gets you thrown in jail. The truth is that no president has all that much power -- its absolutely rediculous to blame what happens in the economy on any president. But...people still will. And I noticed that you used your post against Obama bashing to bash Bush, so really, how are you any different?

Because Bush deserved it. He had his moment in the spotlight and 8 years in office to "prove" himself. On top of that, he was one of the only recent US presidents to gain almost total support for his agenda thanks to the unifying fallout from 9/11. The only compliment I can give Bush is that he played the system and he played it well.

Any president from any party who acted in the same manner he did would have received the same criticisms from me.

It was also a shameful display the Republicans put on when they lost in 2008 by splintering off the Republican party to form the Tea Party within the Republican party. If you want a perfect example of poor sportsmanship and sore losers, there you have it.

And for the record, I didn't vote for Obama either. I was/am a die-hard Kucinich supporter - http://www.menafn.com/qn_news_story.asp?storyid={505d2e2e-34aa-4df9-970d-cbc73afa4434} He seems to be the only person who knew what would happen and gives a damn about what will happen. He just happens to be short... and have big ears.
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Because Bush deserved it.
Are you serious???? You don't think the people bashing Obama think HE deserves it? Phenomenal lack of empathy. Don't you get it that each side thinks the other side is irrational? Oh well bash away. It's what america is all about.

My attitude goes like this:
  • There is a certain amount of respect that simply goes with the office. For good or bad, X is our President and I won't disrespect him.
  • Presidential power is very overrated. They actually impact very little. Which is one of the reasons we can elect a horrible candidate and nothing will really change much: It's called SEPERATION OF POWERS.
  • The fact that we can say President X is a fink without fear is one of the things that, as Michael Medved says, makes this the greatest nation on G-d's green earth.
 
Wear the big shoes get the big bashing.
 
Are you serious???? You don't think the people bashing Obama think HE deserves it? Phenomenal lack of empathy. Don't you get it that each side thinks the other side is irrational? Oh well bash away. It's what america is all about.

My attitude goes like this:
  • There is a certain amount of respect that simply goes with the office. For good or bad, X is our President and I won't disrespect him.
  • Presidential power is very overrated. They actually impact very little. Which is one of the reasons we can elect a horrible candidate and nothing will really change much: It's called SEPERATION OF POWERS.
  • The fact that we can say President X is a fink without fear is one of the things that, as Michael Medved says, makes this the greatest nation on G-d's green earth.

Did you seriously read the rest of that or just quote that one part out of context?

Bush - 8 years in office; unifying factor; majority support
Obama - 3 years in office; conflict from within; at odds with Congress

I would hardly say the two are on equal grounds for criticism.
 
Look, we had eight years of relentless Bush bashing. Bashing the president is part of american culture. If the Obama bashing is getting under your nerves, remember that it's a heck of a lot better than living somewhere that bashing the President gets you thrown in jail. The truth is that no president has all that much power -- its absolutely rediculous to blame what happens in the economy on any president. But...people still will. And I noticed that you used your post against Obama bashing to bash Bush, so really, how are you any different?

Personally, I think most of the things Bush did weren' t terribly awful. Iraq was retarded beyond belief, and that definitely was him. We did do pretty well in bringing terrorists to Iraq though, we should applaud him for that.
 
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Obama is a disappointment. Where is the strong, assertive leadership? He might as well rollover and play dead for all he responds to his attackers.

OTOH, all the politicians who attack the President about the economy are full of crap. The economy is bigger and more powerful than anything anyone can do, including the President. So, all these turd merchants who want to be President and promulgate the nonsense that, somehow, they have the secret to improving the economy are full of it.
 
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its more fun to bash obama cuz hes black and you get that gleeful racist rush along with it
 
It comes with the territory!
 
The current state of the economy is not his fault, and really, it can't be any one person's fault. There are far too many factors involved to place the blame on any one entity or cause, and he'd been in office somewhere around a year when it first reared its ugly head. I think what's more to blame is the spending during the eight years prior to his election, i.e. what the Bush administration was doing i.e. fighting highly unnecessary wars. It seems like America's been perpetually fighting wars for decades now.
He has to tell the American public that things will get better; it's part of his job description. If a Republican does get elected, I will very much like to see them try and fix the job market.
 
i spent time writing a response...

i just don't know if it's a good idea to post it

i'd like to share my thoughts, but then again... why bother?

idk, ijdk...
 
Georgia's electoral vote went to McCain. :shrugs: I didn't vote for Obama. I do my best to not bash him, but wait eagerly for 2012.

.. and just b/c INFJs are good at going off topic:

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Gotta say that any politician that supports and comes from the background of "big business" instantly loses my vote. Consider who/what demographic got us in this mess to begin with...