The new war brought to you by liberal lies and propaganda.

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We see a war playing out now on police and law abiding citizens. This war has been brought to you by people like Obama and his liberal agenda. When the President of the United States lies and promotes the lie that police are targeting African Americans he and others like him are as responsible for the murder of innocents as the people carrying out the horrendous act itself. The liberal media playing its own part as well. Both with the goal of either selling program time or garnering votes by telling their base what they want to hear.
Now, what say you to these undeniable facts?
 
How many police officers does it take to change a light bulb?


None, they just beat the room for being black.

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On behalf of everybody: Thanks to your perseverance, we now agree with those undeniable facts as you presented them in the OP. We'll need reminders via new threads every couple of days though. We're a forgetful bunch.
 
Sloe Djinn said:
On behalf of everybody: Thanks to your perseverance, we now agree with those undeniable facts as you presented them in the OP. We'll need reminders via new threads every couple of days though. We're a forgetful bunch.
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Well I have to admit that if everyone agrees theres not much to discuss then. Other than how we make sure liberal influence is no longer accepted or abided by.
 
PintoBean said:
The media and the president have been divisive, yes. However, the situation of police brutality isn't really new IMO, it's just that it is now coming to a head because people, basically everyone, has the ability to document it. Kind of like what TV did for Vietnam.
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Im not sure I agree. I think the targeting and assassination of police has come about specifically during Obamas Presidency and as a direct result of it.
When is the last time you heard about police being shot sitting in their cars, at traffic stops, etc?
 
the divisiveness is so painful. the attacks so terrible. it's so much to process. I'm just numb. This is all so futile. so irrelevant. so pointless. so COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.

we are all human beings. that should be all that matters in this day and age. we are acting like barbarians. oh but we like to think we are so enlightened today. this seems so much worse than it was 2-3 decades ago.

And we are all Americans. we should be collaborating, not killing each other. I am so disappointed.

"a house divided cannot stand."
 
I just heard the Black Panther Party is "planning" on bringing guns to the GOP convention to "protect" themselves.
 
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I'm not sure what this has to do with the title of this thread, but...

"According to the most recent census data, there are nearly 160 million more white people in America than there are black people. White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. As The Post noted in a new analysis published last week, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers.

U.S. police officers have shot and killed the exact same number of unarmed white people as they have unarmed black people: 50 each. But because the white population is approximately five times larger than the black population, that means unarmed black Americans were five times as likely as unarmed white Americans to be shot and killed by a police officer.

And, when considering shootings confined within a single race, a black person shot and killed by police is more likely to have been unarmed than a white person. About 13 percent of all black people who have been fatally shot by police since January 2015 were unarmed, compared with 7 percent of all white people."

Source: Washingtonpost.com

This may or may not have something to do with people being upset and calling for police reform. Seems understandable from that statistical perspective. I'm sure the police officers have a side of the story also. My (uninformed) opinion is that not all of the cops that have killed black men have done it because of hate in their hearts. Maybe it is the way they are trained and that leads to fear and anticipation and a quick trigger. Just a thought. Take it or leave it.
 
I mean, they've certainly been slow on proposing the solutions to these problems, but liberal media outlets are certainly starting to propose them--Trevor Noah of the Daily Show mentioned Deescalation Training as something that was worthwhile. And hell--body cameras were suggested a long time before that, so one could argue that solutions were being proposed earlier.

I'll accept that calling for the arrest of the police officers responsible was the bare minimum needed to satisfy people that wanted to act (although that may not be accurate--"a more just police system" would have been all they needed to say). but if they wanted to perpetuate the problem why propose viable solutions to it? Hell, why implement some of the solutions? Las Vegas did the deescalation thing, and other places have used body cams (including the place where Alton Sterling was shot--the police circumvented the rule, but it was still there).
 
Milktoast Bandit said:
I'm not sure what this has to do with the title of this thread, but...

"According to the most recent census data, there are nearly 160 million more white people in America than there are black people. White people make up roughly 62 percent of the U.S. population but only about 49 percent of those who are killed by police officers. African Americans, however, account for 24 percent of those fatally shot and killed by the police despite being just 13 percent of the U.S. population. As The Post noted in a new analysis published last week, that means black Americans are 2.5 times as likely as white Americans to be shot and killed by police officers.

U.S. police officers have shot and killed the exact same number of unarmed white people as they have unarmed black people: 50 each. But because the white population is approximately five times larger than the black population, that means unarmed black Americans were five times as likely as unarmed white Americans to be shot and killed by a police officer.

And, when considering shootings confined within a single race, a black person shot and killed by police is more likely to have been unarmed than a white person. About 13 percent of all black people who have been fatally shot by police since January 2015 were unarmed, compared with 7 percent of all white people."

Source: Washingtonpost.com

This may or may not have something to do with people being upset and calling for police reform. Seems understandable from that statistical perspective. I'm sure the police officers have a side of the story also. My (uninformed) opinion is that not all of the cops that have killed black men have done it because of hate in their hearts. Maybe it is the way they are trained and that leads to fear and anticipation and a quick trigger. Just a thought. Take it or leave it.
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Excellent numbers. But they are numbers that dont give the whole story. Are certain people more likely to be shot because of what they are doing or where they are located at the time or because of past known occurrence as an example. Thats not to say there are not a few instances of actually wrong doing on a police officers part. They are people just like anyone else. Their are serial killers in the world and I suspect there are racist murdering cops as well. in a world of 7 billion people though how do you think you will stop the serial killer before he kills or the 1 out of a million cop who kills?
The media takes these events and blows them way out of proportion to pander to their base to sell tickets so to speak. In doing so they feed the machine of hatred and unrest. Shouldn't they be held accountable?
 
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In the Wings said:
I mean, they've certainly been slow on proposing the solutions to these problems, but liberal media outlets are certainly starting to propose them--Trevor Noah of the Daily Show mentioned Deescalation Training as something that was worthwhile. And hell--body cameras were suggested a long time before that, so one could argue that solutions were being proposed earlier.

I'll accept that calling for the arrest of the police officers responsible was the bare minimum needed to satisfy people that wanted to act (although that may not be accurate--"a more just police system" would have been all they needed to say). but if they wanted to perpetuate the problem why propose viable solutions to it? Hell, why implement some of the solutions? Las Vegas did the deescalation thing, and other places have used body cams (including the place where Alton Sterling was shot--the police circumvented the rule, but it was still there).
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In the Wings said:
I mean, they've certainly been slow on proposing the solutions to these problems, but liberal media outlets are certainly starting to propose them--Trevor Noah of the Daily Show mentioned Deescalation Training as something that was worthwhile. And hell--body cameras were suggested a long time before that, so one could argue that solutions were being proposed earlier.

I'll accept that calling for the arrest of the police officers responsible was the bare minimum needed to satisfy people that wanted to act (although that may not be accurate--"a more just police system" would have been all they needed to say). but if they wanted to perpetuate the problem why propose viable solutions to it? Hell, why implement some of the solutions? Las Vegas did the deescalation thing, and other places have used body cams (including the place where Alton Sterling was shot--the police circumvented the rule, but it was still there).
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I fully support body camera's. There is absolutely no reason not to have them in this day and age. I fully support psychological assement of police officers before they become one and yearly or more after that.
 
What we need in the United States is not division; what we need in the United States is not hatred; what we need in the United States is not violence and lawlessness, but is love, and wisdom, and compassion toward one another, and a feeling of justice toward those who still suffer within our country, whether they be white or whether they be black.
 
my father used to say, "it takes a special kind of person to be a police officer." we would both shake our heads and imagine extreme negativity in their lives.
my father in law IS a police officer. I have talked to him at length and been a sounding board for him. It's being faced with, to use his words, "the worst parts of humanity" on a daily basis. After 35+ years in law enforcement, he has encountered evil things that would make the average person's hair stand on end. Of course you would be wary if you stood in those shoes, saw with those eyes.

there is extreme danger to both sides and fear is very contagious.

as to the racial statistics, I don't ever try to divide people up. I just can't. i believe that is our problem to begin with. to continue to divide people by color is to continue to contribute to racism. let us simply be human.

Yes we need body cams. yes we need psych assessments, especially for long or specifically traumatic tours of duty. Of course we do. they are OUR officers and they are there in harm's way to protect us and keep the peace.

situations become anarchic and chaotic in a split second and it is impossible for human beings to react perfectly on specific protocols every time.

Ultimately, non-lethal detainment systems are the best measure to employ. we need to put more effort into such means of detainment to employ safely and effectively and quickly without killing, to neutralize effectively without termination.

such methods would allow for the real story to come to light, and if a mistake has been made, both parties walk away unharmed.
 
Pleiades said:
as to the racial statistics, I don't ever try to divide people up. I just can't. i believe that is our problem to begin with. to continue to divide people by color is to continue to contribute to racism. let us simply be human.
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Its not a matter of dividing people by colour, it's an acknowledgement that people of colour have different experiences with law enforcement or have different experiences in general. We cannot and should not try to bury these obvious facts. It does not promote racism to acknowledge injustice, but it combats it by exposing unequal treatment and then taking the next step to do something about it. If we pretend it doesn't exist, nothing changes. This is my problem with the slogan of "All lives matter". It really does minimize the injustices suffered by people of colour by seeking to minimize those injustices.
 
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