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[philostam]

This is nothing new to me, we have seen the same reactions from the left when Trump was almost killed a year ago. They cry so much over the killings of innocents abroad, yet they cheer when it happens at home. They are the same, just have different targets.

I've made my mind that vast majority on the left are so radicalized that they cannot even see straight. They would kill people for having different beliefs then them, even if majority of Americans are holding those same beliefs.

I've seen it even in my own circles. My own aunt got a seat in one niche left wing party in our parliament, where she is defending the rights of minorities, but she is literally one of the worst people I know in private. She is greedy (literally used to steal money from their children), quick tempered, un-disciplined, a poor mother, and a liar.

I don't know from where people think they have a claim on "good and evil" based on the political views they hold. It's really a scary and sad state of affairs.

 

[TomasM]

This is nothing new to me, we have seen the same reactions from the left when Trump was almost killed a year ago. They cry so much over the killings of innocents abroad, yet they cheer when it happens at home. They are the same, just have different targets.

I've made my mind that vast majority on the left are so radicalized that they cannot even see straight. They would kill people for having different beliefs then them, even if majority of Americans are holding those same beliefs.

I've seen it even in my own circles. My own aunt got a seat in one niche left wing party in our parliament, where she is defending the rights of minorities, but she is literally one of the worst people I know in private. She is greedy (literally used to steal money from their children), quick tempered, un-disciplined, a poor mother, and a liar.

I don't know from where people think they have a claim on "good and evil" based on the political views they hold. It's really a scary and sad state of affairs.

It's the kind of divide that creates civil war. The left has been there for quite some time but the right, though angered has been relatively docile. Usually there is a trigger towards a civil war, and this Charlie Kirk incident could very easily be that trigger for the right. It's has been a culture war where the right was censored and attacked but now it feels like a trigger where they may feel like they will be killed if they continue with the laws and protocols of the land. I've also been watching this backlash in the UK where the protests are escalating to the very point where the conservative no longer care if they are imprisoned for their thought violations or breach of conduct - it's the same scenario just constructed differently.

It only takes a small uprising of radicals to set off a domino effect. I fear we are moving into dangerous territory. I hope that I am wrong and that the people can self correct.

Stay safe and smart @philostam .

 

[philostam]

It's the kind of divide that creates civil war. The left has been there for quite some time but the right, though angered has been relatively docile. Usually there is a trigger towards a civil war, and this Charlie Kirk incident could very easily be that trigger for the right. It's has been a culture war where the right was censored and attacked but now it feels like a trigger where they may feel like they will be killed if they continue with the laws and protocols of the land. I've also been watching this backlash in the UK where the protests are escalating to the very point where the conservative no longer care if they are imprisoned for their thought violations or breach of conduct - it's the same scenario just constructed differently.

It only takes a small uprising of radicals to set off a domino effect. I fear we are moving into dangerous territory. I hope that I am wrong and that the people can self correct.

Stay safe and smart @philostam .

I think it can be prevented in the left wing politicians and media de-escalate the situation. I've seen a hint of self-reflection after the Kamala/Biden election defeat, but now they're back to the "Hitler needs to be stopped" rhetoric. Someone has to take the moral high-ground. To be clear, I am not saying Trump or the right would if they lost.

 

[aeon]

The left has been there for quite some time but the right, though angered has been relatively docile.

So a few weeks ago, when a man shot and killed a state senator and her husband, and their dog, and shot and injured another and their spouse, and had a list of other “liberal” politicians they wished to murder, that was docile?

It is exactly your rhetoric which creates distrust, because you are selective in addressing what lives are worth mentioning and which are worth forgetting.

Yes, there is a problem, and it affects all of us. Murder is not partisan.

Relatively docile? Relative to what?

Wondering,
Ian

 

[TomasM]

Relatively docile? Relative to what?

I’m speaking collectively. I distrust both parties - and have held my position on this.

When I say docile, I’m talking about the collective violence and attacks. That there are entire cities that are coming to ruin and states where there’s a large outflux of people. I’ve seen it in “mostly peaceful” protests where large businesses are pillaged and buildings are burned to the ground. There are streets and highways that are blocked, and when cars stop, people are attacked. That judges in these areas set people free and there is no consequences for illegal behavior. That the liberal media defends illegal immigration such that gang members from foreign countries are defended and there is an attempt to keep them in the country. I could demonstrate these examples with countless incidents.

I’m not going to suggest that conservatives are innocent but they are attempting to move in a direction to clean up the problem collectively - something they couldn’t do when they were censored continuously for over five years while they set back and watched people create the problem with no resistance either verbally or through the police or judicial system.

Yes, Charlie Kirk was a political assassination and the attempt on Trumps life was a similar attack. That liberal politicians have repeatedly been supportive of these behaviors and called for more of it. You literally said he reaped what he sowed and that’s a metaphors for him getting what he deserved for speaking up about the issues - you did this with language from the Bible (something CK defended) when you have literally pronounced yourself agnostic or even leaning towards satanism in some of your posts.

These are not my opinions and not my rhetoric these are my observations and facts. I’ve seen the same complaints occurring in the UK so I know that this is not a single city, state / providence, or country.

When I say the conservatives have been docile, I’m saying that with respect to their culture. They are gun toting, bible thumping, stand up for their culture, state and community. They have not been collectively active like the liberals throughout the last five or six years - so when I mention that I feel a trigger getting close, I’m saying this out of concern for everyone - because if that genie comes out of the bottle it’s going to get really ugly and the conservatives now have the backing to support their frustration and aggression.

 

[aeon]

You literally said he reaped what he sowed

No, I did not. Stop lying to create a narrative.

Go back and read what I posted.

You are posting in bad faith and cannot be trusted.

Bye,
Ian

 

[aeon]

when you have literally pronounced yourself agnostic or even leaning towards satanism in some of your posts.

Also a lie. I am agnostic, yes, but I am no satanist. Never have been.

I’ll assume ignorance before malice.

Best to You,
Ian

 

[TomasM]

You inferred it. You wouldn’t have said it if you didn’t believe it and want to justify a position. That you did it with respect to a Christian’s death is a rather sick thing to do given that it is a biblical passage.

 

[TomasM]

Also a lie. I am agnostic, yes, but I am no satanist. Never have been.

I’ll assume ignorance before malice.

Best to You,
Ian

I said you were agnostic and supportive of satanist through posts. I did not say you were satanist.

My post was for philostam because I knew he would understand what I was saying. My concern is for everyone because I feel this entire thing getting close to a very explosive outcome (both figuratively and literally). I’m not trying to create a narrative because that is a waste of time IMO.

Most of all, I worry about this site because I value the community - even in disagreement. I know where the ownership of the site exists and where the server infrastructure and management reside. I don’t want a disgruntled someone from the past to get this site on a list. I’d actually prefer if there was political censorship on this site during this very heightened state - that’s saying quite a lot on my part because I despise censorship.

 

[aeon]

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You inferred it. You wouldn’t have said it if you didn’t believe it and want to justify a position. That you did it with respect to a Christian’s death is a rather sick thing to do given that it is a biblical passage.

So you assume and project and judge without asking. You presume to know, but you do not know.

As I said, you are arguing in bad faith and cannot be trusted.

You could have chosen otherwise, but you did not. I do not know why.

Best to You,
Ian

 

[aeon]

I said you were agnostic and supportive of satanist through posts.

Which is a lie. Please stop lying. That is an untruth.

Cheers,
Ian

 

[TomasM]

So you assume and project and judge without asking. You presume to know, but you do not know.

I do not know what is inside your heart but I do know perception that you created. I also know that what I suggest is aligned with a pattern of behavior with respect to your posts and positions for a long period of time.

 

[aeon]

I do not know what is inside your heart but I do know perception that you created. I also know that what I suggest is aligned with a pattern of behavior with respect to your posts and positions for a long period of time.

Okay, thank you for taking responsibility for your perception, and admitting that of which you are ignorant.

That is very fair of you.

Best,
Ian

 

[TomasM]

Okay, thank you for taking responsibility for your perception, and admitting that of which you are ignorant.

That is very fair of you.

Best,
Ian

I can accept my statement as ignorant if you can accept that your statement was morally reprehensible with respect to a Christian who was murdered.

Either it was perception or real - you choose. How’s that for an olive branch or how bout them ’s.

 

[Wyote]

As I said, you are arguing in bad faith and cannot be trusted.

There is no reasoning with people that are caught up in a bad faith mindset
Unfortunately this is what creates the divide, largely
It's more important to be "right" and that that rightness perfectly aligns with one's own ego and self narratives
To "seek to understand" is a lost art, especially online
Through interacting online, people have very effectively learned all kinds of ways
to worm their way out of any information that doesn't fit into their own agenda

 

[TomasM]

To "seek to understand" is a lost art, especially online

Faith is not ego it is the removal of one’s ego for that which is greater than itself.

Still, in this instance we are talking about the engagement of religious persecution with respect to the dialogue. That CK deserved to die for his beliefs or communication of those ideals (either real or by perception) is not something the persecuted seeks to understand. The Jew did not seek to understand their persecutor nor did the slave in the cotton field for their existence. The Native American did not seek to understand those that attempted to destroy their person or eradicate them from their lands and culture through Americanization.

When one chooses to engage in the behavior of persecution either through direct action, support or complicity then a response must be delivered or the persecution will continue.

 

[Wyote]

Cool, I'm gonna continue to persecute dickheads regardless

 

[TomasM]

No, you’re just going to be one.

 

[Wyote]

For you, gladly

 

[TomasM]

Good. The effort isn’t effective unless your attention is fully engaged.