So is liberalism actually about immigration?

[Darc]

Well I never realized what immigration really entailed or how much of a big part the whole notion of liberalism was related to immigration and everything, and I am wondering why so much of what is proposed and considered as liberalism is in fact not actually on the outset what it appears to me.

I mean the bundle of random policies that are equated with liberalism make mostly no sense, and thus, it's still very much in regards or relation to immigration.

Basically though, I just think immigration is kind of sick, at least in the way it's done most of the time. Has the left entirely always been about this? it just seems kind of ridiculous to me. Why can't their countries instead be made better then? switching out the native population, and then changing places with a bunch of migrant workers is far more liken to Germany then a lot of policies that fall on the right in actuality, which makes me wonder what many on the left even really want. Either way, I think the left and right both try to plead ignorance and say things like "oh the past and future always repeat" but really in actuality, it's a cope out, and an attempt and hope that the populace does not actually notice how much things change and what the actual circumstances and situation is. So the whole left and right schism is used pushed back and forest all the time for whatever means to an end.

Anyway, I am not racist or against diversity, I actually really like diversity and other cultures. (but always when they are incompatible with our own)

But that being said, this is why predominately I think we should over throw them, because their way of doing things is pretty bunk, and I think out dated and kind of ancient/draconian by today's standards.

 

[Darc]

Okay, I just wanted to mention too, helping foreign populations that are in dire need is find, spreading or sharing the wealth is fine, that's not what the problem is. But often times, it's just to cause division and conflict and to make people work harder or whatever. Because often times, things like this can only really work when there's enough opportunities. But then, I wonder if it's just human nature and there's nothing one can really do about it. I sometimes think that all the left does is try to gain advantage or something economically with socialist principles, an then abandon them completely when they are in better positions of prestige.

I wonder sometimes if it's always capitalism by default simply by human nature, or by the powers that be...

I mean I guess I am not one to talk, some of my family are only 3rd generation immigrants actually, with some of my ancestors being the one who actually were first generation. But that's why its kind of weird, mean, what's the point of constantly opening up the flood gates and letting an influx of people in? it's obviously just corruption either way that's not really benefiting anyone. Even if you are on the left, globalism is not good. I DO NOT WANT TO UTTER THE NAME OF THE PEOPLE WHO I THINK ARE TO BLAME AND FAULT TO THIS, BUT OBVIOUSLY I AM SURE WE ALL KNOW WHO IT IS.

 

[the]

There are obviously several more facets to liberalism than just immigration. I can't imagine a whole ideology based solely on a pro-immigration viewpoint, is more than a rare occurrence.

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...Anyway, I am not racist or against diversity, I actually really like diversity and other cultures. (but always when they are incompatible with our own)
But that being said, this is why predominately I think we should over throw them...

WTF man... ?
Go fight your own wars and stop dragging everyone else into your shitty violence.

 

[Skarekrow]

Not imho...there are broad views regarding immigration across both liberal and conservative and everything in-betweem.


Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, with conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand a mighty woman with a torch, whose flame is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command the air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame, "Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she with silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Is this what we still stand for here in the United States?
Or is is no longer cost effective...especially when the quote mentions “your poor”.
We can’t even talk about and feed our own poor and the real issues that should be fixed without demonizing the impoverished, blaming them, and then making incorrect generalizations about people.
It doesn’t matter what side you are on.
You can have a huge range of views on immigration and still be a liberal, a conservative, a libertarian, a socialist, etc. etc.
It was once the melange of people in the US that made it something great...I still think there is truth to that ideal.

 

[88chaz88]

Is this some new alt-right tactic to hide casual racism within incomprehensible babble?

 

[MrWonka]

I mean the bundle of random policies that are equated with liberalism make mostly no sense, and thus, it's still very much in regards or relation to immigration.

The bundle is not random at all. Liberalism supports personal freedom, with regulatory capitalism. The freedom to immigrate and move about the earth is a personal freedom that does not directly harm anybody and therefore should not be restricted unless evidence can be provided to conclude you are a dangerous person.

Has the left entirely always been about this?

America has always been about this. It is a country founded by immigrants, that recognized the importance of immigration as immigrants are generally harder working more entrepreneurial people.

I mean the bundle of random policies that are equated with liberalism make mostly no sense, and thus, it's still very much in regards or relation to immigration.

The bundle is not random at all. Liberalism supports personal freedom, with regulatory capitalism. The freedom to immigrate and move about the earth is a personal freedom that does not directly harm anybody and therefore should not be restricted unless evidence can be provided to conclude you are a dangerous person.

Why can't their countries instead be made better then? switching out the native population,

Nobody is switching out the native population. We're increasing the native population because we have a ton of jobs available that are native population is either incapable of doing, too lazy to do, or just thinks they deserve something better. In the United States right now we have more job openings available than at any time in all of American history, but we can't fill them because most of those jobs require skills that our native population doesn't have, or the native population thinks those jobs are beneath them.

Native populations have a tendency to be very entitled. They believe that by the very nature of being born in a place that place they are deserving of special treatment regardless of their work ethic or skill level.

which makes me wonder what many on the left even really want.

We want America to be more like it was in the beginning. We want America to be a place where anybody can succeed. A place where smart hard working people who were frustrated with the conditions of their own country can come here and make a better life for themselves. We recognize that people who want to immigrate to our country come here because they like our system. They're not trying to break it or destroy it, they're trying to get away from bad systems to help us promote ours.

hope that the populace does not actually notice how much things change

America is a very difficult place to change. If change happens it will almost certainly be change for the better that is supported by the masses.

Anyway, I am not racist or against diversity,

Pro tip: If you feel the need to tell people you're not racist or against diversity, then you probably are racist and against diversity. It's kind of like telling women you're a "nice guy." If you really were then it would be obvious and you wouldn't have to state it.

I actually really like diversity and other cultures. (but always when they are incompatible with our own)

Did you mean to say "when they are compatible with out own?" Compatibility is a two way street. Saying you like diversity, but only when it's diversity you like is the same as saying you don't like diversity.

But that being said, this is why predominately I think we should over throw them, because their way of doing things is pretty bunk, and I think out dated and kind of ancient/draconian by today's standards.

But is it hurting you? Why don't you just leave them alone? You'll probably find they'd leave us alone if you did.