The catalan vote is more decisive then the scottish vote...they are leaning far more heavily to independence than the scots were so if the vote is rigged it will be far more obvious because their polls are indicating over 60% support for indpendence
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The catalan vote is more decisive then the scottish vote...they are leaning far more heavily to independence than the scots were so if the vote is rigged it will be far more obvious because their polls are indicating over 60% support for indpendence
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[h=1]Moving On For Social Justice[/h] by craig on September 19, 2014 2:39 pm in Uncategorized
The referendum result is the loss of a chance to dispute the hegemony of the neo-con corporate elite in the international world. My heart is still bursting with pride that 45% of Scots – a people devoid of political autonomy for three hundred years – had the nerve, intellect and will to see through the avalanche of propaganda from the entire mainstream media, political establishment, banking sector and corporate world. I met numerous voters who had received letters from their employers – including Diageo, BP, RNS and many others – telling them to vote No or their job was in danger. I met the old lady in Dundee who was told by the Labour Party that independent Scotland would flood the country with immigrants, and a Romanian building worker in Edinburgh who had been told by the Labour Party that Independent Scotland would deport all East Europeans.
Yesterday the Daily Telegraph, Daily Express and Daily Mirror in Scotland all had precisely the same full page photo on their front cover – not a startling news snap, but an arty concoction of male silhouettes and union and Scottish flags. The Mirror had photoshopped it to remove the blue from the union jack, but it was the same distinctive photo. There could be no more stark example of the fake diversity of the mainstream media.
Just as the Conservative, Labour and Lib Dem parties have been startlingly shown up as precisely the same creatures of corporate masters offering no policy differences whatsoever, merely a false tribalism. As they partied together at Better Together last night – the only party in the whole of Scotland, at which everybody present lives very, very well at taxpayers’ expense – it was impossible to tell which brand of Tory was which.
Keeping the popular momentum going, keeping all those wonderful people I met and spoke to engaged in trying to engineer a different society, is going to be a hard struggle. But we always knew that. The goal of independence must remain as a powerful unifying factor.
Through media onslaught people were convinced that a No vote was a vote for Devo Max. Actually after a fortnight of pontificating it will fall off the news agenda of the mainstream. Nothing significant will happen. The Westminster view is that we can have any powers we want at our glorified council in Scotland as long as we still don’t get the revenue from oil or whisky – and still provide cannon fodder for neo-con wars abroad, house Trident and are subject to draconian Westminster imposed attacks on civil liberties.
Anyway the dress rehearsal is over. At the next referendum – which is only five years away, after the UK has voted to leave the EU – we will not be putting forward Salmond’s Independence Lite, (I am not criticising, he carried it superhumanly far). We will be proposing a fully independent Scottish Republic, out of NATO, with its own currency, sweeping land reform to give Scotland’s land back to its people, nationalisation of railways and public utilities, a genuine minimum wage you can live on, a humane benefits system and strict regulation and controls on banks and bankers.
I am eating an excellent lunch and looking forward to it.
[h=1]Moving On For Social Justice[/h] by craig on September 19, 2014 2:39 pm in Uncategorized
The referendum result is the loss of a chance to dispute the hegemony of the neo-con corporate elite in the international world. My heart is still bursting with pride that 45% of Scots – a people devoid of political autonomy for three hundred years – had the nerve, intellect and will to see through the avalanche of propaganda from the entire mainstream media, political establishment, banking sector and corporate world. I met numerous voters who had received letters from their employers – including Diageo, BP, RNS and many others – telling them to vote No or their job was in danger. I met the old lady in Dundee who was told by the Labour Party that independent Scotland would flood the country with immigrants, and a Romanian building worker in Edinburgh who had been told by the Labour Party that Independent Scotland would deport all East Europeans.
Yesterday the Daily Telegraph, Daily Express and Daily Mirror in Scotland all had precisely the same full page photo on their front cover – not a startling news snap, but an arty concoction of male silhouettes and union and Scottish flags. The Mirror had photoshopped it to remove the blue from the union jack, but it was the same distinctive photo. There could be no more stark example of the fake diversity of the mainstream media.
Just as the Conservative, Labour and Lib Dem parties have been startlingly shown up as precisely the same creatures of corporate masters offering no policy differences whatsoever, merely a false tribalism. As they partied together at Better Together last night – the only party in the whole of Scotland, at which everybody present lives very, very well at taxpayers’ expense – it was impossible to tell which brand of Tory was which.
Keeping the popular momentum going, keeping all those wonderful people I met and spoke to engaged in trying to engineer a different society, is going to be a hard struggle. But we always knew that. The goal of independence must remain as a powerful unifying factor.
Through media onslaught people were convinced that a No vote was a vote for Devo Max. Actually after a fortnight of pontificating it will fall off the news agenda of the mainstream. Nothing significant will happen. The Westminster view is that we can have any powers we want at our glorified council in Scotland as long as we still don’t get the revenue from oil or whisky – and still provide cannon fodder for neo-con wars abroad, house Trident and are subject to draconian Westminster imposed attacks on civil liberties.
Anyway the dress rehearsal is over. At the next referendum – which is only five years away, after the UK has voted to leave the EU – we will not be putting forward Salmond’s Independence Lite, (I am not criticising, he carried it superhumanly far). We will be proposing a fully independent Scottish Republic, out of NATO, with its own currency, sweeping land reform to give Scotland’s land back to its people, nationalisation of railways and public utilities, a genuine minimum wage you can live on, a humane benefits system and strict regulation and controls on banks and bankers.
I am eating an excellent lunch and looking forward to it.
The SNP is now the fastest growing political party in Europe and is looking to extend its influence in westminster
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/11/07/uk-britain-scotland-idUKKBN0IR1EQ20141107
Scottish nationalists storm back after referendum defeat
By Andrew Osborn and Alistair Smout
LONDON/EDINBURGH Fri Nov 7, 2014 2:14pm GMT
1 of 2. Nicola Sturgeon speaks to the media outside the Scottish Parliament in Edinburgh, Scotland October 15, 2014.
Credit: Reuters/Russell Cheyne
(Reuters) - Just weeks after seeing their dream of an independent Scotland wiped out in an historic referendum defeat, Scottish nationalists have turned failure into a revival which could transform British politics at next year's UK general election.
The Scottish National Party (SNP) may have failed to persuade voters to back independence from Britain, but appears to be winning the argument that it can do a better job fighting for Scottish interests than Scottish branches of London parties.
The result could be a wipe-out for the Scottish chapter of Britain's centre-left Labour Party, which has dominated Scotland's delegation to the UK parliament for generations, and a thumping SNP victory that could make it kingmakers in London.
According to a poll by Ipsos-MORI last week, the SNP which now has just six seats in the House of Commons in London, would win 54 of the 59 Scottish seats in the UK parliament next year.
That would potentially turn it into the Britain's third party, able to pick which of the UK-wide parties could form a government to rule Britain, the country it tried to leave.
Labour's Scottish delegation, meanwhile, would collapse from 41 Scottish seats to just four, according to the poll.
"It’s a bizarre situation," Alan Massie, a veteran Scottish commentator, wrote in The Scotsman. "The party that was defeated in the referendum and rejected over most of Scotland is full of confidence and behaving as if it had won."
The SNP seemed to face an existential crisis after it lost the Sept 18 referendum by a 10 point margin. The next day, a subdued party leader Alex Salmond announced he was stepping down although he said his dream of independence would never die.
Yet just seven weeks later, SNP membership has tripled. Salmond's successor Nicola Sturgeon, taking over as party leader and head of the administration that runs Scotland's health, education and other domestic policies, sounds invigorated.
So complete has been the SNP's comeback that it has even started hinting that another independence referendum may be needed in the next few years, particularly if Britain's relations with the EU change.
"The tectonic plates of Scottish politics truly are shifting," Sturgeon said a few days ago. Scotland would send a "strengthened team" to London's parliament next year, "who will put Scotland first, and ensure that we cannot be ignored."
Meanwhile, Scottish Labour, which led the successful
joint campaign by Britain's three main UK-wide parties to oppose independence in the referendum, has slid into despair.
Leader Johann Lamont quit last week with a scathing attack on the British parent party, which she accused of treating its Scottish chapter as a "branch office". Current and former senior Labour members in Scotland say the party is in meltdown. Whereas Salmond passed the SNP leadership to Sturgeon without a murmur of discontent, Scottish Labour faces a bitter leadership fight.
NOT GOING TO BE FORGOTTEN
Despite losing the referendum, the SNP persuaded 45 percent of Scotland's 4.3 million voters to back independence. After months in which the referendum was dismissed in London as a no-hope case, Britain's main parties had to scramble in panic as polls showed a close result in the final weeks of campaigning.
The SNP led the fight for independence against a "no" campaign that united Britain's three main parties: Labour and the ruling coalition of Prime Minister David Cameron's Conservatives and the centrist Liberal Democrats.
Labour spearheaded the defence of the Union, with speeches from ex-Prime Minister Gordon Brown, a Scot, rallying the "no" cause in the final days. But the battle helped the SNP make the case that Labour are too much like the Conservatives, widely despised in Scotland.
"The role, hand-in-glove, shoulder-to-shoulder with the Conservative Party in the referendum campaign is not going to be either forgotten or forgiven for a generation in Scottish politics," Salmond told BBC TV in an interview.
In the final weeks before the referendum all three mainstream British parties promised to swiftly grant more self-rule powers for Scotland if it stayed in the United Kingdom.
But such changes look unlikely to be delivered in time for the British general election in May, allowing the SNP to accuse the London-based parties of betrayal.
As soon as the referendum was over, Cameron's Conservatives linked granting more powers to Scotland with a call to strip Scottish parliamentarians in London of the power to block measures applicable to England.
Cameron has since rowed back from the linkage. But the row, real or imagined, has given the SNP a strong pre-election platform: Vote for us to ensure promises are kept.
"It’s the people of Scotland who will decide whether it’s satisfactory to be conned and tricked," Salmond said.
For his part, Cameron stands to benefit from the SNP revival, since his Labour opponents have more to lose.
The SNP broadly espouses left-leaning policies of the kind ditched by centrist "New Labour" under Prime Minister Tony Blair, allowing it, in the words of historian Tom Devine, "to brazenly steal the clothes of old Labour".
The referendum may have changed Scottish voting habits. In the past, some Scottish Labour supporters would vote SNP in Scottish parliament elections but stick to Labour in British parliament elections. That pattern might be breaking down.
Thousands of Labour supporters, traditionally from poorer socio-economic backgrounds, voted for independence.
"The referendum allowed many traditional Labour voters to vote against Labour party policy, and once people have made that shift once, they're more likely to do so in the future," said Edinburgh University's Mitchell.
Mark Diffley, director at pollster Ipsos Mori Scotland, told Reuters Labour was virtually wiped out in the most deprived areas: "The places that voted yes are mainly the traditional Labour heartlands like Glasgow and North Lanarkshire," he said.
Still, the SNP's opponents hope the nationalist party is getting ahead of itself.
"Listening to the political debate in Scotland in recent weeks, it's as if the referendum result had turned out on a yes vote," said Jim Murphy, a candidate to lead Scottish Labour.
"It wasn't even close, there were two million people and more that voted no in the referendum, and yet the horse that lost that two-horse race has spent the last six weeks parading round the winning enclosure," he told the BBC.
(Additional reporting by Guy Faulconbridge; Editing by Peter Graff)
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/11/07/uk-britain-scotland-idUKKBN0IR1EQ20141107
Scottish nationalists storm back after referendum defeat
By Andrew Osborn and Alistair Smout
LONDON/EDINBURGH Fri Nov 7, 2014 2:14pm GMT
1 of 2. Nicola Sturgeon speaks to the media outside the Scottish Parliament in Edinburgh, Scotland October 15, 2014.
Credit: Reuters/Russell Cheyne
(Reuters) - Just weeks after seeing their dream of an independent Scotland wiped out in an historic referendum defeat, Scottish nationalists have turned failure into a revival which could transform British politics at next year's UK general election.
The Scottish National Party (SNP) may have failed to persuade voters to back independence from Britain, but appears to be winning the argument that it can do a better job fighting for Scottish interests than Scottish branches of London parties.
The result could be a wipe-out for the Scottish chapter of Britain's centre-left Labour Party, which has dominated Scotland's delegation to the UK parliament for generations, and a thumping SNP victory that could make it kingmakers in London.
According to a poll by Ipsos-MORI last week, the SNP which now has just six seats in the House of Commons in London, would win 54 of the 59 Scottish seats in the UK parliament next year.
That would potentially turn it into the Britain's third party, able to pick which of the UK-wide parties could form a government to rule Britain, the country it tried to leave.
Labour's Scottish delegation, meanwhile, would collapse from 41 Scottish seats to just four, according to the poll.
"It’s a bizarre situation," Alan Massie, a veteran Scottish commentator, wrote in The Scotsman. "The party that was defeated in the referendum and rejected over most of Scotland is full of confidence and behaving as if it had won."
The SNP seemed to face an existential crisis after it lost the Sept 18 referendum by a 10 point margin. The next day, a subdued party leader Alex Salmond announced he was stepping down although he said his dream of independence would never die.
Yet just seven weeks later, SNP membership has tripled. Salmond's successor Nicola Sturgeon, taking over as party leader and head of the administration that runs Scotland's health, education and other domestic policies, sounds invigorated.
So complete has been the SNP's comeback that it has even started hinting that another independence referendum may be needed in the next few years, particularly if Britain's relations with the EU change.
"The tectonic plates of Scottish politics truly are shifting," Sturgeon said a few days ago. Scotland would send a "strengthened team" to London's parliament next year, "who will put Scotland first, and ensure that we cannot be ignored."
Meanwhile, Scottish Labour, which led the successful
joint campaign by Britain's three main UK-wide parties to oppose independence in the referendum, has slid into despair.Leader Johann Lamont quit last week with a scathing attack on the British parent party, which she accused of treating its Scottish chapter as a "branch office". Current and former senior Labour members in Scotland say the party is in meltdown. Whereas Salmond passed the SNP leadership to Sturgeon without a murmur of discontent, Scottish Labour faces a bitter leadership fight.
NOT GOING TO BE FORGOTTEN
Despite losing the referendum, the SNP persuaded 45 percent of Scotland's 4.3 million voters to back independence. After months in which the referendum was dismissed in London as a no-hope case, Britain's main parties had to scramble in panic as polls showed a close result in the final weeks of campaigning.
The SNP led the fight for independence against a "no" campaign that united Britain's three main parties: Labour and the ruling coalition of Prime Minister David Cameron's Conservatives and the centrist Liberal Democrats.
Labour spearheaded the defence of the Union, with speeches from ex-Prime Minister Gordon Brown, a Scot, rallying the "no" cause in the final days. But the battle helped the SNP make the case that Labour are too much like the Conservatives, widely despised in Scotland.
"The role, hand-in-glove, shoulder-to-shoulder with the Conservative Party in the referendum campaign is not going to be either forgotten or forgiven for a generation in Scottish politics," Salmond told BBC TV in an interview.
In the final weeks before the referendum all three mainstream British parties promised to swiftly grant more self-rule powers for Scotland if it stayed in the United Kingdom.
But such changes look unlikely to be delivered in time for the British general election in May, allowing the SNP to accuse the London-based parties of betrayal.
As soon as the referendum was over, Cameron's Conservatives linked granting more powers to Scotland with a call to strip Scottish parliamentarians in London of the power to block measures applicable to England.
Cameron has since rowed back from the linkage. But the row, real or imagined, has given the SNP a strong pre-election platform: Vote for us to ensure promises are kept.
"It’s the people of Scotland who will decide whether it’s satisfactory to be conned and tricked," Salmond said.
For his part, Cameron stands to benefit from the SNP revival, since his Labour opponents have more to lose.
The SNP broadly espouses left-leaning policies of the kind ditched by centrist "New Labour" under Prime Minister Tony Blair, allowing it, in the words of historian Tom Devine, "to brazenly steal the clothes of old Labour".
The referendum may have changed Scottish voting habits. In the past, some Scottish Labour supporters would vote SNP in Scottish parliament elections but stick to Labour in British parliament elections. That pattern might be breaking down.
Thousands of Labour supporters, traditionally from poorer socio-economic backgrounds, voted for independence.
"The referendum allowed many traditional Labour voters to vote against Labour party policy, and once people have made that shift once, they're more likely to do so in the future
," said Edinburgh University's Mitchell. Mark Diffley, director at pollster Ipsos Mori Scotland, told Reuters Labour was virtually wiped out in the most deprived areas: "The places that voted yes are mainly the traditional Labour heartlands like Glasgow and North Lanarkshire," he said.
Still, the SNP's opponents hope the nationalist party is getting ahead of itself.
"Listening to the political debate in Scotland in recent weeks, it's as if the referendum result had turned out on a yes vote," said Jim Murphy, a candidate to lead Scottish Labour.
"It wasn't even close, there were two million people and more that voted no in the referendum, and yet the horse that lost that two-horse race has spent the last six weeks parading round the winning enclosure," he told the BBC.
(Additional reporting by Guy Faulconbridge; Editing by Peter Graff)
Fabian Labour is dead in the water north of the border
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The catalans have voted with a whopping 81% in favour of independence!
Lol
Now THATS how you do an independance referendum!
Well done folks, it will be interesting to see what sort of response it will get form the spanish government....not that they matter anyway!
Lol
Now THATS how you do an independance referendum!
Well done folks, it will be interesting to see what sort of response it will get form the spanish government....not that they matter anyway!
Ok so the response of the spanish government is to press charges against the catalan president
Stay strong senor and and you will win in the long run...the world is changing...fast
What ever happens laugh in the face of the corrupt spanish government and shwo them upto be the corrupt and controlling swine that they are
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/11/13/385793/catalan-president-to-face-charges/
Catalan president to face charges
Catalonia's President Artur Mas
Thu Nov 13, 2014 12:42AM GMT
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Catalonia’s president is to face prosecution for "disobedience and dishonesty" after defying a court injunction not to hold an independence vote from Spain.
Spanish sources said on Wednesday that prosecutors expect to press charges against Catalonian President Artur Mas within the next few days for going ahead with the symbolic referendum on independence from Spain on November 9.
The head of Catalonia’s People’s Party, Alicia Sánchez-Camacho, said that the charges, which include misuse of government funds, were almost completed.
Addressing the regional parliament, Mas said that he did not care about the charges that could block him from participating in regional elections.
Rajoy also reiterated that a real referendum cannot be held under Spain’s constitution.
On Tuesday, Spain’s Deputy Prime Minister Soraya Saenz de Santamaria said the Catalan region cannot be granted the right to self-determination.
The regional Catalan government pushed forward with the vote despite Spain’s Constitutional Court ordering its suspension on November 4.
Eligible voters were asked to decide if their region should become a state of its own, and if so, whether it should be an independent state.
About 80 percent of voters, or 1.8 million, said they wanted Catalonia to be an independent state, while 10 percent said they wanted a separate state only.
SRK/AS/MHB
Stay strong senor and and you will win in the long run...the world is changing...fast
What ever happens laugh in the face of the corrupt spanish government and shwo them upto be the corrupt and controlling swine that they are
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/11/13/385793/catalan-president-to-face-charges/
Catalan president to face charges
Thu Nov 13, 2014 12:42AM GMT
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Catalonia’s president is to face prosecution for "disobedience and dishonesty" after defying a court injunction not to hold an independence vote from Spain.
Spanish sources said on Wednesday that prosecutors expect to press charges against Catalonian President Artur Mas within the next few days for going ahead with the symbolic referendum on independence from Spain on November 9.
The head of Catalonia’s People’s Party, Alicia Sánchez-Camacho, said that the charges, which include misuse of government funds, were almost completed.
Addressing the regional parliament, Mas said that he did not care about the charges that could block him from participating in regional elections.
“Can you imagine the image they would broadcast to the world if they acted against a government for putting out ballot boxes? It would be a dramatic image for Spain,” he said.
Earlier on Wednesday, Spain’s Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy described Catalonia’s symbolic vote on independence as a “deep failure.”
Rajoy also reiterated that a real referendum cannot be held under Spain’s constitution.
On Tuesday, Spain’s Deputy Prime Minister Soraya Saenz de Santamaria said the Catalan region cannot be granted the right to self-determination.
The regional Catalan government pushed forward with the vote despite Spain’s Constitutional Court ordering its suspension on November 4.
Eligible voters were asked to decide if their region should become a state of its own, and if so, whether it should be an independent state.
About 80 percent of voters, or 1.8 million, said they wanted Catalonia to be an independent state, while 10 percent said they wanted a separate state only.
SRK/AS/MHB
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...t-scotland-go-it-alone-after-all-9877883.html
[h=1]New powers may let Scotland go it alone after all...[/h]
Scotland will have the power to change its voting system and alter the length of its parliaments, under devolution proposals to be unveiled this week.
It is understood that the Smith Commission report, which is expected to be published on Thursday, will recommend that the Scottish Parliament in Holyrood, Edinburgh, is given control of its own electoral system.
David Cameron asked Lord Smith of Kelvin, a former governor of the BBC, to look into the granting of more powers to Scotland, following the close referendum vote in September. The major political parties in Westminster pledged a significant, but vaguely defined, package of devolution in a successful effort to see off a late surge in support for independence.
Holyrood was set up in 1999 with four-year, fixed-term parliaments. However, it was the coalition government in Westminster that decided to delay the 2015 vote by a year so that Scottish elections did not clash with the general election, a move criticised by the Scottish National Party.
Under Lord Smith's proposals, such interference could not happen again. Similarly, should future Scottish governments choose to ditch the semi-proportional added member system used north of the border, they could do so. A senior Scottish politician said Holyrood would have "control of its own elections, select a different period of time [between elections] and choose whatever system it wants, such as the Single Transferable Vote".
The source added that a "substantial" set of tax-raising and welfare powers would be handed to Holyrood. However, the SNP is expected to fight hard on the tax recommendations if these offer anything less than full autonomy for Holyrood on all levies and responsibility for all domestic expenditure that is not shared with the rest of the UK.
Nicola Sturgeon replaced Alex Salmond as Scotland's first minister last week, making headlines by unveiling a gender-balanced, 10-person cabinet. Yesterday, Ms Sturgeon addressed a sell-out audience of 12,000 at the SSE Hydro in Glasgow. In the event of a hung Parliament in Westminster, she said, the price of coalition with Labour would be no more nuclear weapons, but the SNP "would never act to put the Tories in power".
At the same event, Richard Walker, the editor of the Sunday Herald, confirmed that a pro-independence newspaper, The National, would be launched tomorrow in a five-day pilot run.
[h=1]New powers may let Scotland go it alone after all...[/h]
Scotland will have the power to change its voting system and alter the length of its parliaments, under devolution proposals to be unveiled this week.
It is understood that the Smith Commission report, which is expected to be published on Thursday, will recommend that the Scottish Parliament in Holyrood, Edinburgh, is given control of its own electoral system.
David Cameron asked Lord Smith of Kelvin, a former governor of the BBC, to look into the granting of more powers to Scotland, following the close referendum vote in September. The major political parties in Westminster pledged a significant, but vaguely defined, package of devolution in a successful effort to see off a late surge in support for independence.
Holyrood was set up in 1999 with four-year, fixed-term parliaments. However, it was the coalition government in Westminster that decided to delay the 2015 vote by a year so that Scottish elections did not clash with the general election, a move criticised by the Scottish National Party.
Under Lord Smith's proposals, such interference could not happen again. Similarly, should future Scottish governments choose to ditch the semi-proportional added member system used north of the border, they could do so. A senior Scottish politician said Holyrood would have "control of its own elections, select a different period of time [between elections] and choose whatever system it wants, such as the Single Transferable Vote".
The source added that a "substantial" set of tax-raising and welfare powers would be handed to Holyrood. However, the SNP is expected to fight hard on the tax recommendations if these offer anything less than full autonomy for Holyrood on all levies and responsibility for all domestic expenditure that is not shared with the rest of the UK.
Nicola Sturgeon replaced Alex Salmond as Scotland's first minister last week, making headlines by unveiling a gender-balanced, 10-person cabinet. Yesterday, Ms Sturgeon addressed a sell-out audience of 12,000 at the SSE Hydro in Glasgow. In the event of a hung Parliament in Westminster, she said, the price of coalition with Labour would be no more nuclear weapons, but the SNP "would never act to put the Tories in power".
Another exciting development!
Through the efforts of the 5 star movement political party that burst onto the italian political scene with its leader an italian comedian, Bepe Grillo, as a response to austerity the italians might vote through referendum next year to break free from the eurozone
Considering the italians have massive amounts of gold this would be a great move on their part and might spur on other countries like my own country (which frankly needs a kick up the arse) to leave the fascist project that is the EU
It wouldn't mean that european countries couldn't trade but just that power isn't handed away to distant politicians
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20141125/1015151866.html
Italians May Vote to Leave Eurozone in 2015 Referendum: Five Star Movement
© AP Photo/ Andrew Medichini
Europe17:23 25.11.2014(updated 17:30 25.11.2014)
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In mid-October, the leader of the Five Star Movement announced that in November his party would launch a petition supporting a referendum on Italy's exit from the eurozone.
© Sputnik. Ruslan Krivobok
EC Expects Eurozone’s Debt to Decrease to 93.8% of GDP in 2016
MOSCOW, November 25 (Sputnik) — A majority of Italians is likely to vote in favor of leaving the eurozone if a referendum, proposed by the Five Star Movement political party, were to take place next year, a member of the party told Sputnik radio Tuesday. In mid-October, Giuseppe Piero “Beppe” Grillo, the leader of the Five Star Movement announced that in November his party will launch a petition supporting a referendum on Italy's exit from the eurozone. Grillo said that everything will be ready for voting to take place by December 2015.
"When the parliament receives one million signatures it will have nothing left to do but to meet the interests of the Italians and consider the issue of holding a referendum. We have no doubts that the law will be adopted and the referendum will take place. Moreover, according to the data at our disposal, the Italians will vote for exiting the Eurozone," Carlo Sibilia, member of the Five Star Movement said.
Sibilia added that since the euro was introduced in Italy the country's state debt had increased dramatically and that the new currency caused an increase in labor costs, resulting in a decrease in production.
Italian Five Star Movement Starts Preparation for Referendum on Leaving Eurozone
According to Sibilia, the Five Star Movement is campaigning not only for the return of the Italian lira, but also for monetary sovereignty. "Article 117 paragraph A of the Italian Constitution clearly states that only the state has a right to bear responsibility for the currency [policy], meaning Italy and not the European Union. That's why we are committed to gain[ing] monetary sovereignty that will allow us to control money issuing at the state level. A state bank, which we do not have at the moment, should be created in Italy –as it is known, there is a share of private capital in the Bank of Italy." Sibilia stressed that leaving the eurozone does not mean leaving the European Union. However he believes that countries should assess potential benefits and drawbacks prior to entering the eurozone. "We in Italy, for example, have fallen into a trap of the media and the 'great' professors and pseudo-economists who proved unable to predict the crisis we are currently experiencing. That's why I call on the countries that are considering the possibility to join the eurozone [for instance, Croatia] to conduct a thorough analysis to understand whether they will benefit from this step at all."
The Five Star Movement finished second in the 2014 European Parliament election with some 21 percent of the vote. One of the party's key election promises was the holding of a referendum on membership of the euro, although the Italian constitution does not provide for international agreements to be cancelled through referenda.
Italy has been a member of the euro area since January 1, 1999. Euro banknotes and coins were introduced into circulation in Italy on January 1, 2002. Currently, 18 of the 28 European Union member states have adopted the euro.
Through the efforts of the 5 star movement political party that burst onto the italian political scene with its leader an italian comedian, Bepe Grillo, as a response to austerity the italians might vote through referendum next year to break free from the eurozone
Considering the italians have massive amounts of gold this would be a great move on their part and might spur on other countries like my own country (which frankly needs a kick up the arse) to leave the fascist project that is the EU
It wouldn't mean that european countries couldn't trade but just that power isn't handed away to distant politicians
http://sputniknews.com/europe/20141125/1015151866.html
Italians May Vote to Leave Eurozone in 2015 Referendum: Five Star Movement
© AP Photo/ Andrew Medichini
Europe17:23 25.11.2014(updated 17:30 25.11.2014)
108260
In mid-October, the leader of the Five Star Movement announced that in November his party would launch a petition supporting a referendum on Italy's exit from the eurozone.
© Sputnik. Ruslan Krivobok
EC Expects Eurozone’s Debt to Decrease to 93.8% of GDP in 2016
MOSCOW, November 25 (Sputnik) — A majority of Italians is likely to vote in favor of leaving the eurozone if a referendum, proposed by the Five Star Movement political party, were to take place next year, a member of the party told Sputnik radio Tuesday. In mid-October, Giuseppe Piero “Beppe” Grillo, the leader of the Five Star Movement announced that in November his party will launch a petition supporting a referendum on Italy's exit from the eurozone. Grillo said that everything will be ready for voting to take place by December 2015.
"When the parliament receives one million signatures it will have nothing left to do but to meet the interests of the Italians and consider the issue of holding a referendum. We have no doubts that the law will be adopted and the referendum will take place. Moreover, according to the data at our disposal, the Italians will vote for exiting the Eurozone," Carlo Sibilia, member of the Five Star Movement said.
Sibilia added that since the euro was introduced in Italy the country's state debt had increased dramatically and that the new currency caused an increase in labor costs, resulting in a decrease in production.
Italian Five Star Movement Starts Preparation for Referendum on Leaving Eurozone
According to Sibilia, the Five Star Movement is campaigning not only for the return of the Italian lira, but also for monetary sovereignty. "Article 117 paragraph A of the Italian Constitution clearly states that only the state has a right to bear responsibility for the currency [policy], meaning Italy and not the European Union. That's why we are committed to gain[ing] monetary sovereignty that will allow us to control money issuing at the state level. A state bank, which we do not have at the moment, should be created in Italy –as it is known, there is a share of private capital in the Bank of Italy." Sibilia stressed that leaving the eurozone does not mean leaving the European Union. However he believes that countries should assess potential benefits and drawbacks prior to entering the eurozone. "We in Italy, for example, have fallen into a trap of the media and the 'great' professors and pseudo-economists who proved unable to predict the crisis we are currently experiencing. That's why I call on the countries that are considering the possibility to join the eurozone [for instance, Croatia] to conduct a thorough analysis to understand whether they will benefit from this step at all."
The Five Star Movement finished second in the 2014 European Parliament election with some 21 percent of the vote. One of the party's key election promises was the holding of a referendum on membership of the euro, although the Italian constitution does not provide for international agreements to be cancelled through referenda.
Italy has been a member of the euro area since January 1, 1999. Euro banknotes and coins were introduced into circulation in Italy on January 1, 2002. Currently, 18 of the 28 European Union member states have adopted the euro.
http://www.thelocal.es/20150331/catalonia-nationalists-plan-2017-secession-from-spain
[h=1]Nationalists plan 2017 secession from Spain[/h] Published: 31 Mar 2015 13:59 GMT+02:00
Catalan nationalist parties and associations have signed a road map to secede from Spain in 2017 if independence movements win a September regional vote.
The election will "serve as a legal mechanism to determine the Catalan people's will", two main Catalan nationalist parties and several associations said in an agreement published on Monday.
Nationalist leaders in the wealthy region of northeastern Spain have called the snap regional vote for September 27th after Madrid blocked their bid for a referendum on independence.
It will be the third regional election in Catalonia since 2010.
The September vote will act as a "plebiscite", Esquerra Republicana, Convergencia Democratica de Catalunya and several associations said.
If pro-independence candidates win the vote, they will create a new constitution and establish institutions that would form the basis of a future state, the road map plan pledged.
"The national transition process towards the declaration of a new Catalan state or republic will begin after the September 27th vote, and culminate at the most after 18 months," the text said.
The plan also calls for "an obligatory referendum on the text of the constitution", followed by a parliamentary vote and negotiations to determine Catalonia's "new relationship" with Spain and the European Union.
EU officials have warned that secession would cause Catalonia to leave the bloc.
"This new road map is bad for all Catalans and all other Spaniards," said Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy, whose conservative government fiercely opposes Catalonia's independence drive.
"It breaks all the ties that have long linked us and forces many Catalans to no longer be Spanish and European," he added.
Despite holding massive demonstrations in Barcelona, separatists do not form a majority in Catalonia, which is home to around 7.5 million people, according to most polls.
During a symbolic independence referendum held in November last year, that the top court in Spain ruled unconstitutional, only 1.9 million out of 6.3 million potential voters cast their ballot in favour of secession.
Pro-independence feeling has surged in Catalonia in recent years, fanned by disagreements with the conservative central government and Spain's sharp economic downturn which has left nearly one in four people out of work.
[h=1]Nationalists plan 2017 secession from Spain[/h] Published: 31 Mar 2015 13:59 GMT+02:00
Catalan nationalist parties and associations have signed a road map to secede from Spain in 2017 if independence movements win a September regional vote.
The election will "serve as a legal mechanism to determine the Catalan people's will", two main Catalan nationalist parties and several associations said in an agreement published on Monday.
Nationalist leaders in the wealthy region of northeastern Spain have called the snap regional vote for September 27th after Madrid blocked their bid for a referendum on independence.
It will be the third regional election in Catalonia since 2010.
The September vote will act as a "plebiscite", Esquerra Republicana, Convergencia Democratica de Catalunya and several associations said.
If pro-independence candidates win the vote, they will create a new constitution and establish institutions that would form the basis of a future state, the road map plan pledged.
"The national transition process towards the declaration of a new Catalan state or republic will begin after the September 27th vote, and culminate at the most after 18 months," the text said.
The plan also calls for "an obligatory referendum on the text of the constitution", followed by a parliamentary vote and negotiations to determine Catalonia's "new relationship" with Spain and the European Union.
EU officials have warned that secession would cause Catalonia to leave the bloc.
"This new road map is bad for all Catalans and all other Spaniards," said Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy, whose conservative government fiercely opposes Catalonia's independence drive.
"It breaks all the ties that have long linked us and forces many Catalans to no longer be Spanish and European," he added.
Despite holding massive demonstrations in Barcelona, separatists do not form a majority in Catalonia, which is home to around 7.5 million people, according to most polls.
During a symbolic independence referendum held in November last year, that the top court in Spain ruled unconstitutional, only 1.9 million out of 6.3 million potential voters cast their ballot in favour of secession.
Pro-independence feeling has surged in Catalonia in recent years, fanned by disagreements with the conservative central government and Spain's sharp economic downturn which has left nearly one in four people out of work.
The SNP have wiped out their political opponents in a landslide victory in the recent general election in only a short time after the referendum vote
So now independence is back on the agenda (was it ever off the agenda? lol)
I can't help but think that choosing a female leader helped secure the female vote that seemed to be largely lacking for the referendum vote; that's a highly controversial statement and likely to piss off some people but there you are
Tory politics south of the border will radicalise more people as they push austerity thereby driving more people into the arms of parties like the SNP
So a new referendum vote on independence could be seen in the not too distant future
So now independence is back on the agenda (was it ever off the agenda? lol)
I can't help but think that choosing a female leader helped secure the female vote that seemed to be largely lacking for the referendum vote; that's a highly controversial statement and likely to piss off some people but there you are
Tory politics south of the border will radicalise more people as they push austerity thereby driving more people into the arms of parties like the SNP
So a new referendum vote on independence could be seen in the not too distant future
2010
Yes
you were right in your prediction all those year ago muir from the past....
the tories have made cuts deepening austerity and they have driven scots into the arms of the SNP
The scots have voted heavily for a nationalist government in 2015
Now cameron is going to have to keep his promise of a referendum on whether or not the UK should stay in the EU
Of course cameron wants the UK to stay in the EU because that is what his banking paymasters want, but he will still have to deliver on the referendum so the corporate media is going into action to try and brainwash the UK public that they must stay in the EU or terrible things will happen to them! Rupert Murdoch for example is taking a pro-EU stance and his newspapers are incredibly still widely read in the UK
A combination of fear mongering on the part of the corporate media and the politicians along with outright vote rigging (if necessary) will be used to try and ensure the UK stays in the EU
However there are other things going on beyond the UK
Greece for example is doing deals with russia over pipeline access to europe and might replace ukraine as the new gas terminal for europe
The foolish ukrainians have chosen the IMF over russia and as a result they will not only lose their place as europe gas terminal and have their economy destroyed by the IMF's neoliberal policies but their soil will now be polluted by monsanto's toxic GMO's and pesticides. the sooner the ukraine wakes up and throws out the zionists and their puppets from kiev the better it will be for the ukrainian people
Meanwhile the greeks will hopefully exit the EU. They could then drop the Euro currency and create their own drachma which they could produce interest free
The greeks will find willing business partners in the russians, iranians and icelanders among others
The scots are saying that if the UK votes to leave the EU another referendum on scottish independence will be required as the scots should decide for themselves if they want to stay in the EU
Well...another chance at independence would be nice but WE DON'T WANT TO STAY IN THE EU ANYWAY because it is just a project of the globalist central control bankers who are trying to build a new world order, so lets get out of the EU and then get out of the UK and get out of NATO too!
Lets hope greece drops out and lets hope the Brits vote to get out of the EU and that we see another referendum on scottish independence that this time isn't rigged
We could see the break up of the EU and of britain and hopefully a widespread rejection of the central banking system and a decentralisation of power down to regional parliaments that are better able to manage local affairs
These new smaller and more decentralised states, with their own interest free currencies could then carry out reciprocal trade
Scotland for example could forget EU fishing quotas and could kick foreign fishermen out of its waters and could start providing its people with cheap, sustainably farmed sea food
It could throw out the trident nuclear weapons and make diplomatic overtures to russia so that we are no longer on their nuclear retaliation hitlist, thereby removing us from the shadow of nuclear war
It could also use its oil revenue to upgrade its national grid infrastructure and build tidal power facilities in the pentland firth which would provide 25% of scotlands energy requirements through renewable means allowing cheap energy to scottish families
Scotland could also undergo land reform to break up the big estates and allow community buy-outs and crofting incentives to give the land back to the highland and island communities that was stolen from them through violence, theft and intimidation
Scotland could create its own interest free currency and kick out the central bankers and end austerity and have a debt jubilee for its people renouncing all debt and allowing people a fresh start; if they did this other countries would develop the courage to follow suit. There are strong anti-austerity rumblings in ireland, portugal, spain and italy for example and the germans too are getting angry at US pressure and the marxist destruction of europe through weaponised mass immigration under the banner of 'multi-culturalism'
So much can be achieved if enough people have the vision and the belief.....the winds of change are blowing
http://www.globalresearch.ca/athens...ssias-turkish-stream-pipeline-project/5452979
Athens Defies Washington: Greece to Join Russia’s Turkish Stream Pipeline Project
By Stephen Lendman
Global Research, June 02, 2015
Yes
you were right in your prediction all those year ago muir from the past....
the tories have made cuts deepening austerity and they have driven scots into the arms of the SNP
The scots have voted heavily for a nationalist government in 2015
Now cameron is going to have to keep his promise of a referendum on whether or not the UK should stay in the EU
Of course cameron wants the UK to stay in the EU because that is what his banking paymasters want, but he will still have to deliver on the referendum so the corporate media is going into action to try and brainwash the UK public that they must stay in the EU or terrible things will happen to them! Rupert Murdoch for example is taking a pro-EU stance and his newspapers are incredibly still widely read in the UK
A combination of fear mongering on the part of the corporate media and the politicians along with outright vote rigging (if necessary) will be used to try and ensure the UK stays in the EU
However there are other things going on beyond the UK
Greece for example is doing deals with russia over pipeline access to europe and might replace ukraine as the new gas terminal for europe
The foolish ukrainians have chosen the IMF over russia and as a result they will not only lose their place as europe gas terminal and have their economy destroyed by the IMF's neoliberal policies but their soil will now be polluted by monsanto's toxic GMO's and pesticides. the sooner the ukraine wakes up and throws out the zionists and their puppets from kiev the better it will be for the ukrainian people
Meanwhile the greeks will hopefully exit the EU. They could then drop the Euro currency and create their own drachma which they could produce interest free
The greeks will find willing business partners in the russians, iranians and icelanders among others
The scots are saying that if the UK votes to leave the EU another referendum on scottish independence will be required as the scots should decide for themselves if they want to stay in the EU
Well...another chance at independence would be nice but WE DON'T WANT TO STAY IN THE EU ANYWAY because it is just a project of the globalist central control bankers who are trying to build a new world order, so lets get out of the EU and then get out of the UK and get out of NATO too!
Lets hope greece drops out and lets hope the Brits vote to get out of the EU and that we see another referendum on scottish independence that this time isn't rigged
We could see the break up of the EU and of britain and hopefully a widespread rejection of the central banking system and a decentralisation of power down to regional parliaments that are better able to manage local affairs
These new smaller and more decentralised states, with their own interest free currencies could then carry out reciprocal trade
Scotland for example could forget EU fishing quotas and could kick foreign fishermen out of its waters and could start providing its people with cheap, sustainably farmed sea food
It could throw out the trident nuclear weapons and make diplomatic overtures to russia so that we are no longer on their nuclear retaliation hitlist, thereby removing us from the shadow of nuclear war
It could also use its oil revenue to upgrade its national grid infrastructure and build tidal power facilities in the pentland firth which would provide 25% of scotlands energy requirements through renewable means allowing cheap energy to scottish families
Scotland could also undergo land reform to break up the big estates and allow community buy-outs and crofting incentives to give the land back to the highland and island communities that was stolen from them through violence, theft and intimidation
Scotland could create its own interest free currency and kick out the central bankers and end austerity and have a debt jubilee for its people renouncing all debt and allowing people a fresh start; if they did this other countries would develop the courage to follow suit. There are strong anti-austerity rumblings in ireland, portugal, spain and italy for example and the germans too are getting angry at US pressure and the marxist destruction of europe through weaponised mass immigration under the banner of 'multi-culturalism'
So much can be achieved if enough people have the vision and the belief.....the winds of change are blowing
http://www.globalresearch.ca/athens...ssias-turkish-stream-pipeline-project/5452979
Athens Defies Washington: Greece to Join Russia’s Turkish Stream Pipeline Project
By Stephen Lendman
Global Research, June 02, 2015
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http://www.snp.org/media-centre/news/2015/jun/tory-betrayal-wind-“totally-unacceptable
[h=1]Tory betrayal on wind “totally unacceptable"[/h] Sun, 21/06/2015 - 09:11
The Scottish National Party has said that Prime Minister David Cameron must explain why he misled voters during the referendum campaign in Scotland regarding the UK government’s position on renewable energy.
The UK government’s announcement this week to end new support for onshore wind projects could cost Scotland £3bn in investment and threatens thousands of jobs, according to industry experts.
But in a speech in February last year Mr Cameron cited the renewables industry as a key reason for Scotland to vote No.
He said:
“And together we’re stronger to lead in the industries of the future. Take green energy. We have the wind and the waves of Scotland, decades of North Sea experience in Aberdeen and, with the rest of the UK, a domestic energy market of tens of millions of people to drive and support these new industries… This is what happens when we collaborate.”
In 2011 he directly cited UK government subsidies and renewable energy saying “vital industries like green technology” in Scotland could thrive, “But it will only do that if we keep our country together.”
Labour echoed the same calls, in February 2014 Shadow Energy Secretary Caroline Flint said green power would "grind to a halt" if Scotland voted Yes.
First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has written to Mr Cameron urging him to reconsider and said the decision – announced without any consultation with the Scottish Government - goes against the spirit of the provisions in the Scotland Bill.
Rob Gibson MSP condemned the UK Government cut in support for onshore windfarms and made clear that this was the latest claim from the No campaign in last year’s referendum to be proven false.
Mr Gibson, who is a Green Energy award winner, said:
“The Tory plans announced this week are a huge threat to the renewables industry in Scotland – and represent a total betrayal towards people who were persuaded to vote No after being told that Scotland’s renewables sector was only safe if Scots rejected independence.
“Time and time again we were told by David Cameron and his Labour allies in the No camp that Scotland’s wind energy sector was benefitting by having “the best of both worlds”, but now that claim has been proven to be totally false – and the thousands of jobs are at stake.
“Scots were told our vast renewable energy potential could only be realised by UK subsidies, but now - only nine months on from the referendum - the UK government is pulling the plug on our burgeoning industry. The duplicity is totally unacceptable.
“This is just the latest example of how people were told tales in order to get them to vote No. David Cameron and his ministers repeatedly said that the UK subsidies were needed to keep Scotland’s renewables industry alive – when in fact it now transpires they were planning to scrap them all along.
“We heard misleading claims about only being safe in the European Union with a No vote – but now we face being ripped out of Europe against our will. There was the story about the NHS being safe only if we rejected a Yes vote – and now the Tories are dismantling the service in England – with the threat this poses to Scotland’s budget. And there was of course The Vow which claimed Scotland would gain maximum powers and lead the UK if we voted No – but the Scotland Bill making its way through Parliament falls far short of this.
“The Tories have a long and grim track record ruining key industries in Scotland – but unlike the 1980s the SNP has now got 56 MPs at Westminster and Scots have a devolved government so we will fight tooth and nail to reverse this decision.”
ENDS
Notes
David Cameron backs report warning of rising energy bills in independent Scotlandhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/8869455/David-Cameron-backs-report-warning-of-rising-energy-bills-in-independent-Scotland.html
David Cameron speech, February 2014 https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/the-importance-of-scotland-to-the-uk-david-camerons-speech
Early end of onshore wind support could cost £3bn investment in Scotlandhttp://www.scottishrenewables.com/news/early-end-onshore-wind-support-could-cost-3bn-inve/
Labour claimed that independence would harm investment in renewables and energy bills would go up:
Labour’s Shadow Energy Secretary Caroline Flint said: “Independence would mean losing the British renewable subsidy, threatening investment and raising the cost to consumers or taxpayers.” (The Herald, 05/02/2013)
She also told BBC Scotland’s GMS “were to have less windy days then it would look to the rest of the UK to keep the lights on”.
[h=1]Tory betrayal on wind “totally unacceptable"[/h] Sun, 21/06/2015 - 09:11
The Scottish National Party has said that Prime Minister David Cameron must explain why he misled voters during the referendum campaign in Scotland regarding the UK government’s position on renewable energy.
The UK government’s announcement this week to end new support for onshore wind projects could cost Scotland £3bn in investment and threatens thousands of jobs, according to industry experts.
But in a speech in February last year Mr Cameron cited the renewables industry as a key reason for Scotland to vote No.
He said:
“And together we’re stronger to lead in the industries of the future. Take green energy. We have the wind and the waves of Scotland, decades of North Sea experience in Aberdeen and, with the rest of the UK, a domestic energy market of tens of millions of people to drive and support these new industries… This is what happens when we collaborate.”
In 2011 he directly cited UK government subsidies and renewable energy saying “vital industries like green technology” in Scotland could thrive, “But it will only do that if we keep our country together.”
Labour echoed the same calls, in February 2014 Shadow Energy Secretary Caroline Flint said green power would "grind to a halt" if Scotland voted Yes.
First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has written to Mr Cameron urging him to reconsider and said the decision – announced without any consultation with the Scottish Government - goes against the spirit of the provisions in the Scotland Bill.
Rob Gibson MSP condemned the UK Government cut in support for onshore windfarms and made clear that this was the latest claim from the No campaign in last year’s referendum to be proven false.
Mr Gibson, who is a Green Energy award winner, said:
“The Tory plans announced this week are a huge threat to the renewables industry in Scotland – and represent a total betrayal towards people who were persuaded to vote No after being told that Scotland’s renewables sector was only safe if Scots rejected independence.
“Time and time again we were told by David Cameron and his Labour allies in the No camp that Scotland’s wind energy sector was benefitting by having “the best of both worlds”, but now that claim has been proven to be totally false – and the thousands of jobs are at stake.
“Scots were told our vast renewable energy potential could only be realised by UK subsidies, but now - only nine months on from the referendum - the UK government is pulling the plug on our burgeoning industry. The duplicity is totally unacceptable.
“This is just the latest example of how people were told tales in order to get them to vote No. David Cameron and his ministers repeatedly said that the UK subsidies were needed to keep Scotland’s renewables industry alive – when in fact it now transpires they were planning to scrap them all along.
“We heard misleading claims about only being safe in the European Union with a No vote – but now we face being ripped out of Europe against our will. There was the story about the NHS being safe only if we rejected a Yes vote – and now the Tories are dismantling the service in England – with the threat this poses to Scotland’s budget. And there was of course The Vow which claimed Scotland would gain maximum powers and lead the UK if we voted No – but the Scotland Bill making its way through Parliament falls far short of this.
“The Tories have a long and grim track record ruining key industries in Scotland – but unlike the 1980s the SNP has now got 56 MPs at Westminster and Scots have a devolved government so we will fight tooth and nail to reverse this decision.”
ENDS
Notes
David Cameron backs report warning of rising energy bills in independent Scotlandhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/8869455/David-Cameron-backs-report-warning-of-rising-energy-bills-in-independent-Scotland.html
David Cameron speech, February 2014 https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/the-importance-of-scotland-to-the-uk-david-camerons-speech
Early end of onshore wind support could cost £3bn investment in Scotlandhttp://www.scottishrenewables.com/news/early-end-onshore-wind-support-could-cost-3bn-inve/
Labour claimed that independence would harm investment in renewables and energy bills would go up:
Labour’s Shadow Energy Secretary Caroline Flint said: “Independence would mean losing the British renewable subsidy, threatening investment and raising the cost to consumers or taxpayers.” (The Herald, 05/02/2013)
She also told BBC Scotland’s GMS “were to have less windy days then it would look to the rest of the UK to keep the lights on”.