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Science Suggests That Humans Are Not Innately Violent And Vicious

The fossil record doesn't show much evidence of waring till recently? Well civilisation is a fairly recent thing, which means that organised armed forces are as well. However, primitive cultures did not largely disappear until recently - and from them there is ample evidence of very violent lifestyles. Here in Australia, the Aborigines had ritualised in-tribe violence in the form of very injurious rites of initiation; as well as having very aggressive dealings with neighbouring tribes. (The Australian Aborigines have been isolated geographically for at least 40,000 years). Nevertheless, very similar practices were found in Papua New Guinea, Africa, North and South America, and between the Pacific Islanders. All-out warfare may have been rare, given that most of the time tribes would keep to their territories, but there was certainly a very violent defense of territories, or nomadic groups. Indeed, historical records show that in the north of Australia, about 25% of male Aborigines would die in inter-tribal conflict.

I personally don't think we are likely to rise above our violent natures as a species - perhaps as individuals. But this does not think that this spells out our doom. I think it just means that we need to be realistic and prudent about our tendencies and see that they are directed/harnessed in a constructive, not destructive way.

Personally, part of me feels that the human race is doomed and that we have reached the crux of mental-mastubation as a society of unearned pleasure and apathetic selfishness.
But, part of me feels that we could also be at the tipping point to where it will fall on the side of realization that we must evolve as a society, race, and as people.
I also though think this will not happen until there is a destructive crisis for humanity...when the true nature of our souls can be brought to the surface...when we reach that understanding that NO ONE should benefit at the expense of another.
 
Personally, part of me feels that the human race is doomed and that we have reached the crux of mental-mastubation as a society of unearned pleasure and apathetic selfishness.
But, part of me feels that we could also be at the tipping point to where it will fall on the side of realization that we must evolve as a society, race, and as people.
I also though think this will not happen until there is a destructive crisis for humanity...when the true nature of our souls can be brought to the surface...when we reach that understanding that NO ONE should benefit at the expense of another.

I don't think as a whole, we have finished ripping our hearts out and stomping on them. I think once all laws and establishments having any semblance of morality have been purged - and all that is left are laws regarding power-structures and individual rights - then people may finally see their own true nature and begin to turn away in disgust.
 
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I don't think as a whole, we have finished ripping our hearts out and stomping on them. I think once all laws and establishments having any semblance of morality have been purged - and all that is left are laws regarding power-structures and individual rights - then people may finally see their own true nature and begin to turn away in disgust.
I feel we are moving that direction already....like with the Occupy Movement and others like it....I hope I get to see substantial change in my lifetime....if not for me then for my Son.
 
Yeah I definitely think it all starts with how people are treated as children and whether or not they develop a secure bond with a primary caregiver. I know people who are not psychopaths, but they have histories of violent behavior. Every single one of them was brutally beaten as a child by their parents or other family members. What a coincidence.
Wish I had time to write more, but I’ve got to study for an exam. I like how this guy Stefan Molyneux explains it.

[video=youtube;QIDvdzjzSto]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIDvdzjzSto[/video]
 
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I feel we are moving that direction already....like with the Occupy Movement and others like it....I hope I get to see substantial change in my lifetime....if not for me then for my Son.

Isn't the occupy movement just an expression of resentment against civil authorities? It sure doesn't look like an attempt to build a better society, so much as vandalise the one we have.
 
I wasn’t trying to suggest that because we kill for food we are aggressive. We are aggressive because we began killing for food. Think about how meat became part of our diet. Perhaps before we as a species began killing we lived off berries? I wouldn’t be able to tell you when this changed, perhaps when we stepped out of the ocean either here or on another planet, we were eating other life forms from the beginning. But lets assume we were not and that one day, an ape like creature found some meat an ate it. Finding meat just laying around is not enough to cause the changes in the body and brain over 100s of thousands of years. It was the sustained intake of meat that did this. For this, you cant just find meat laying around, we had to begin actively killing. Whether we were grateful in obtaining the meat is irrelevant. The act of killing in itself is an aggression and violent towards life.
So, I have to assume the person that was able to kill easier had a better time of passing on their genes compared to the person who sat around and felt bad about every kill they made.
Play out the scenario in your head. I think you will come to the same conclusion.
 
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It is in the nature of science to advance theories on morality and the nature of man?
Or is this a pseudo-science joke?
 
It is in the nature of science to advance theories on morality and the nature of man?
Or is this a pseudo-science joke?

What if it turns out soon that science, as we know it, is in fact pseudo-science? lol
 
Isn't the occupy movement just an expression of resentment against civil authorities? It sure doesn't look like an attempt to build a better society, so much as vandalise the one we have.

Not at all, there has been lots of discussion about what reforms could be made to the financial system or to society itself

[video=youtube;CPeaFKvszKI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPeaFKvszKI[/video]
 
There is the theory of the bicameral mind

I'm not asserting this as truth i'm just mentioning it as a potential point of interest for anyone who is...er..interested

This theory suggests that something happened to our mind 3000 years ago which afects how the two hemispheres of our brain inter-relate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bicameral_mind

Bicameralism (the philosophy of "two-chamberedness") is a hypothesis in psychology that argues that the human mind once assumed a state in which cognitive functions were divided between one part of the brain which appears to be "speaking", and a second part which listens and obeys—a bicameral mind. The term was coined by psychologist Julian Jaynes, who presented the idea in his 1976 book The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind, wherein he made the case that a bicameral mentality was the normal and ubiquitous state of the human mind only as recently as 3000 years ago.

Brain hemispheres and bicamerality

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Julian Jaynes saw bicamerality as primarily a metaphor. He used governmental bicameralism to describe a mental state in which the experiences and memories of the right hemisphere of the brain are transmitted to the left hemisphere via auditory hallucinations. The metaphor is based on the idea of lateralization of brain function although each half of a normal human brain is constantly communicating with the other through the corpus callosum. The metaphor is not meant to imply that the two halves of the bicameral brain were "cut off" from each other but that the bicameral mind was experienced as a different, non-conscious mental schema wherein volition in the face of novel stimuli was mediated through a linguistic control mechanism and experienced as auditory verbal hallucinations.
The bicameral mentality would be non-conscious in its inability to reason and articulate about mental contents through meta-reflection, reacting without explicitly realizing and without the meta-reflective ability to give an account of why one did so. The bicameral mind would thus be a "zombie mind" lacking metaconsciousness, autobiographical memory and the capacity for executive "ego functions" such as deliberate mind-wandering and conscious introspection of mental content. When bicamerality as a method of social control was no longer adaptive in complex civilizations, this mental model was replaced by the conscious mode of thought which, Jaynes argued, is grounded in the acquisition of metaphorical language learned by exposure to narrative practice.
Jaynes' case for bicameralism

According to Jaynes, ancient people in the bicameral state of mind would have experienced the world in a manner that has some similarities to that of a schizophrenic. Rather than making conscious evaluations in novel or unexpected situations, the person would hallucinate a voice or "god" giving admonitory advice or commands and obey without question: one would not be at all conscious of one's own thought processes per se. Research into "command hallucinations" that often direct the behavior of those labeled schizophrenic, as well as other voice hearers, supports Jaynes's predictions.[SUP][1][/SUP]
Jaynes built a case for this hypothesis that human brains existed in a bicameral state until as recently as 3000 years ago by citing evidence from many diverse sources including historical literature. He took an interdisciplinary approach, drawing data from many different fields.[SUP][2][/SUP] Jaynes asserted that, until roughly the times written about in Homer's Iliad, humans did not generally have the self-awareness characteristic of consciousness as most people experience it today. Rather, the bicameral individual was guided by mental commands believed to be issued by external "gods" — commands which were recorded in ancient myths, legends and historical accounts. This is exemplified not only in the commands given to characters in ancient epics but also the very muses of Greek mythology which "sang" the poems: the ancients literally heard muses as the direct source of their music and poetry.
For example, in the Iliad and sections of the Old Testament no mention is made of any kind of cognitive processes such as introspection, and there is no apparent indication that the writers were self-aware. According to Jaynes, the older portions of the Old Testament (such as the Book of Amos) have few or none of the features of some later books of the Old Testament (such as Ecclesiastes) as well as later works such as Homer's Odyssey, which show indications of a profoundly different kind of mentality — an early form of consciousness.[SUP][2][/SUP]
In ancient times, Jaynes noted, gods were generally much more numerous and much more anthropomorphic than in modern times, and speculates that this was because each bicameral person had their own "god" who reflected their own desires and experiences.[SUP][3][/SUP] He also noted that in ancient societies the corpses of the dead were often treated as though still alive (being seated, dressed and even fed) as a form of ancestor worship, and Jaynes argued that the dead bodies were presumed to be still living and the source of auditory hallucinations.[SUP][2][/SUP] This adaptation to the village communities of 100 individuals or more formed the core of religion. Unlike today's hallucinations, the voices of ancient times were structured by cultural norms to produce a seamlessly functioning society. In Ancient Greek culture there is often mention of the Logos, which is a very similar concept. It was a type of guiding voice that was heard as from a seemingly external source.
Jaynes inferred that these "voices" came from the right brain counterparts of the left brain language centres—specifically, the counterparts to Wernicke's area and Broca's area. These regions are somewhat dormant in the right brains of most modern humans, but Jaynes noted that some studies show that auditory hallucinations correspond to increased activity in these areas of the brain.[SUP][2][/SUP]
Jaynes notes that even in modern times[SUP][when?][/SUP] there is no consensus as to the cause or origins of schizophrenia. Jaynes argues that schizophrenia is a vestige of humanity's earlier bicameral state.[SUP][2][/SUP] Recent evidence shows that many schizophrenics do not just hear random voices but experience " command hallucinations" instructing their behavior or urging them to commit certain acts.[SUP][full citation needed][/SUP] As support for Jaynes's argument, these command hallucinations are little different from the commands from gods which feature prominently in ancient stories.[SUP][2][/SUP] Indirect evidence supporting Jaynes's theory that hallucinations once played an important role in human mentality can be found in the recent book Muses, Madmen, and Prophets: Rethinking the History, Science, and Meaning of Auditory Hallucination by Daniel Smith.[SUP][4][/SUP][SUP][improper synthesis?][/SUP]
Breakdown of bicameralism

Jaynes theorized that a shift from bicameralism marked the beginning of introspection and consciousness as we know it today. According to Jaynes, this bicameral mentality began malfunctioning or "breaking down" during the second millennium BC. He speculates that primitive ancient societies tended to collapse periodically, (as in Egypt's Intermediate Periods and the periodically vanishing cities of the Mayas) as changes in the environment strained the socio-cultural equilibria sustained by this bicameral mindset. The mass migrations of the second millennium BC, caused by Mediterranean-wide earthquakes, created a rash of unexpected situations and stresses that required ancient minds to become more flexible and creative. Self-awareness, or consciousness, was the culturally evolved solution to this problem. This necessity of communicating commonly observed phenomena among individuals who shared no common language or cultural upbringing encouraged those communities to become self-aware to survive in a new environment. Thus consciousness, like bicamerality, emerged as a neurological adaptation to social complexity in a changing world.
Jaynes further argues that divination, prayer and oracles arose during this breakdown period, in an attempt to summon instructions from the "gods" whose voices could no longer be heard.[SUP][2][/SUP] The consultation of special bicamerally operative individuals, or of casting lots and so forth, was a response to this loss, a transitional era depicted for example in the book of 1 Samuel. It was also evidenced in children who could communicate with the gods, but as their neurology was set by language and society they gradually lost that ability. Those who continued prophesying, being bicameral according to Jaynes, could be killed.[SUP][5][/SUP][SUP][6][/SUP] Leftovers of the bicameral mind today, according to Jaynes, include religion, hypnosis, possession, schizophrenia and the general sense of need for external authority in decision-making.
Diffusion

The idea that language is a necessary component of subjective consciousness and more abstract forms of thinking has been gaining acceptance in recent years, with proponents such as Andy Clark, Daniel Dennett, William H. Calvin, Merlin Donald, John Limber, Howard Margolis, Peter Carruthers, and José Luis Bermúdez.[SUP][7][/SUP] Philosopher Gary Williams has recently defended Julian Jaynes against Ned Block's criticisms[SUP][8][/SUP] in the journal Phenomenology and the Cognitive Sciences.[SUP][9][/SUP]
A collection of Jaynes's essays on bicameralism combined with those of contemporary scholars was published in 2007, in a book titled Reflections on the Dawn of Consciousness: Julian Jaynes's Bicameral Mind Theory Revisited.[SUP][10][/SUP] Included in this book is new support for Jaynes's theory by Marcel Kuijsten, psychological anthropologist Brian J. McVeigh, psychologists John Limber and Scott Greer, clinical psychologist John Hamilton, philosophers Jan Sleutels and David Stove, and sinologist Michael Carr (see shi "personator"). The book also contains an extensive biography of Julian Jaynes by historian of psychology William Woodward and June Tower, and a Foreword by neuroscientist Michael Persinger.
Critical responses

Jaynes's hypothesis remains controversial. The primary scientific criticism has been that the conclusions Jaynes drew had no basis in neuropsychiatric fact at that time.[SUP][11][/SUP]
Richard Dawkins wrote of The Origin of Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind that, "It is one of those books that is either complete rubbish or a work of consummate genius, nothing in between! Probably the former, but I'm hedging my bets."[SUP][12][/SUP] Others considered Jaynes's hypothesis worthy and offer conditional support, arguing the notion deserves further study.[SUP][13][/SUP][SUP][14][/SUP]
In a 1987 letter to the American Journal of Psychiatry, Dr. H. Steven Moffic questioned why Jaynes's theory was left out of a discussion on auditory hallucinations by Drs. Assad and Shapiro. In response, Drs. Assad and Shapiro wrote, "…Jaynes' hypothesis makes for interesting reading and stimulates much thought in the receptive reader. It does not, however, adequately explain one of the central mysteries of madness: hallucination."[SUP][15][/SUP]
Drs. Asaad and Shapiro's comment that there is no evidence for involvement of the right temporal lobe in auditory hallucination was incorrect even at that time.[SUP][16][/SUP][SUP][17][/SUP] A number of more recent studies provide additional evidence to right hemisphere involvement in auditory hallucinations. Recent neuroimaging studies provide new evidence for Jaynes's neurological model, i.e. auditory hallucinations arising in the right temporal-parietal lobe and being transmitted to the left temporal-parietal lobe. This was pointed out by Dr. Robert Olin in Lancet[SUP][18][/SUP] and Dr. Leo Sher in the Journal of Psychiatry and Neuroscience,[SUP][19][/SUP] and further discussed in the book Reflections on the Dawn of Consciousness.[SUP][20][/SUP]
The philosopher Daniel Dennett suggested that Jaynes may have been wrong about some of his supporting arguments, especially the importance he attached to hallucinations, but that these things are not essential to his main thesis.[SUP][21][/SUP] He also wrote that:
If we are going to use this top-down approach, we are going to have to be bold. We are going to have to be speculative, but there is good and bad speculation, and this is not an unparalleled activity in science. […] Those scientists who have no taste for this sort of speculative enterprise will just have to stay in the trenches and do without it, while the rest of us risk embarrassing mistakes and have a lot of fun. --Daniel Dennett[SUP][22][/SUP]
Gregory Cochran, a physicist and adjunct professor of anthropology at the University of Utah, wrote: "Genes affecting personality, reproductive strategies, cognition, are all able to change significantly over few-millennia time scales if the environment favors such change — and this includes the new environments we have made for ourselves, things like new ways of making a living and new social structures. ... There is evidence that such change has occurred. ... On first reading, Breakdown seemed one of the craziest books ever written, but Jaynes may have been on to something."[SUP][23][/SUP] Author and historian of science Morris Berman writes, "[Jaynes's] description of this new consciousness is one of the best I have come across."[SUP][24][/SUP] Danish science writer Tor Nørretranders discusses Jaynes's theory favorably in his book The User Illusion: Cutting Consciousness Down to Size.[SUP][25][/SUP]
Evidence taken to contradict Jaynes's proposed date of the transition from bicameralism is the Gilgamesh Epic: although the story of Gilgamesh was recorded centuries before the Old Testament, and though its setting is contemporaneous or earlier than the Old Testament stories, the Gilgamesh story describes such features as introspection.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP] Jaynes himself, noting that the most complete version of the Gilgamesh epic dates to post-bicameral times (7th century BC), dismisses these instances of introspection as the result of rewriting and expansion by later conscious scribes, and points to differences between the more recent version of Gilgamesh and surviving fragments of earlier versions. ("The most interesting comparison is in Tablet X." - detailed in The Origin of Consciousness, 1982 edition, p. 252f.) This, however, fails to account for either the generally accepted dating of the "Standard Version" of the epic to the later second millennium or the fact that the introspection so often taken as characteristic of the "Standard Version" seems more thoroughly rooted in the Old Babylonian and Sumerian versions than previously thought, especially as our understanding of the Old Babylonian poem emerges.[SUP][26][/SUP] Others, such as science fiction author Neal Stephenson in Snow Crash, have since conjectured that heroic epics and myths may be rooted in isolated individuals who became self-aware early and could accordingly outmatch and manipulate their fellows.
Brian McVeigh maintains that many of the most frequent criticisms of Jaynes' theory are either incorrect or reflect serious misunderstandings of Jaynes' theory, especially Jaynes' more precise definition of consciousness. Jaynes defines consciousness—in the tradition of Locke and Descartes—as "that which is introspectable." Jaynes draws a sharp distinction between consciousness ("introspectable mind-space") and other mental processes such as cognition, learning, and sense and perception. He argues that this distinction is frequently not recognized by those offering critiques of Jaynes' theory.[SUP][27][/SUP]
Similar ideas

In his book The Master and His Emissary, psychiatrist Iain McGilchrist reviews scientific research into the role of the brain's hemispheres, and cultural evidence, and he proposes that since the time of Plato the left hemisphere of the brain (the "emissary" in the title) has increasingly taken over from the right hemisphere (the "master"), to our detriment. McGilchrist, while accepting Jayne's intention, felt that Jayne's hypothesis was "the precise inverse of what happened" and that rather than a shift from bicameralism there evolved a separation of the hemispheres.[SUP][28][/SUP]
Michael Gazzaniga pioneered the split-brain experiments which led him to propose a similar theory called the left brain interpreter.
Editions

The Origin of Consciousness was financially successful, and has been reprinted several times. The book was originally published in 1976 (ISBN 0-395-20729-0) and was nominated for the National Book Award in 1978. It has since been reissued (ISBN 0-618-05707-2).[SUP][29][/SUP] A new edition, with an afterword that addressed some criticisms and restated the main themes, was published in the US in 1990. This version was published in the UK by Penguin Books in 1993 (ISBN 0-14-017491-5). It has been translated into Italian, Spanish, German, French, and Persian.
 
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What if it turns out soon that science, as we know it, is in fact pseudo-science? lol
I don't understand what you mean. Can you explain ?

My post was that I don't agree that science can afford to make such claims like "Science Suggests That Humans Are Not Innately Violent And Vicious". It is out of its area of expertise. You can't analyse and observe the nature of violence and its cause by means of scientific investigation. Its absurd.
But maybe:
1.The title is more of a propaganda written by journalists who exagerate things a bit.
2.They use the expression "Science Suggests", which probably is supposed to be a humble opinion of science, like "We, science community, suggest, just suggest, that maybe things could be so, knowing very well that this is a matter of psychology and philosophy, which is not our field, but we just suggest some things!"
 
I don't understand what you mean. Can you explain ?

My post was that I don't agree that science can afford to make such claims like "Science Suggests That Humans Are Not Innately Violent And Vicious". It is out of its area of expertise. You can't analyse and observe the nature of violence and its cause by means of scientific investigation. Its absurd.
But maybe:
1.The title is more of a propaganda written by journalists who exagerate things a bit.
2.They use the expression "Science Suggests", which probably is supposed to be a humble opinion of science, like "We, science community, suggest, just suggest, that maybe things could be so, knowing very well that this is a matter of psychology and philosophy, which is not our field, but we just suggest some things!"

Science is going to struggle with the abstract i agree

What i was meaning is when people call somthing 'pseudo-science' it has the effect of undermining the subject of their comment whilst lending credence to mainstream science and what i am saying is that mainstream science might be about to undergo an overhaul as we begin to gain new insights into the nature of reality

I don't tend to use the term 'pseudo-science' myself; for me there are just different degrees of truth as i perceive it and I don't have unshakeable faith in the current perceptions of science
 
I don't understand what you mean. Can you explain ?

My post was that I don't agree that science can afford to make such claims like "Science Suggests That Humans Are Not Innately Violent And Vicious". It is out of its area of expertise. You can't analyse and observe the nature of violence and its cause by means of scientific investigation. Its absurd.
But maybe:
1.The title is more of a propaganda written by journalists who exagerate things a bit.
2.They use the expression "Science Suggests", which probably is supposed to be a humble opinion of science, like "We, science community, suggest, just suggest, that maybe things could be so, knowing very well that this is a matter of psychology and philosophy, which is not our field, but we just suggest some things!"

I don't think it's the fact they can't. I think you don't want them to be able to. It would take away the mystery and precious metaphysical philosophy which allows people to posit things that are even less verifiable without chance of rebuttal.
 
Science is going to struggle with the abstract i agree

What i was meaning is when people call somthing 'pseudo-science' it has the effect of undermining the subject of their comment whilst lending credence to mainstream science and what i am saying is that mainstream science might be about to undergo an overhaul as we begin to gain new insights into the nature of reality

I don't tend to use the term 'pseudo-science' myself; for me there are just different degrees of truth as i perceive it and I don't have unshakeable faith in the current perceptions of science
Meaning that what is supposed to be protoscince and fringe science could become mainstream scince? A new are of the scince investigations?
 
Meaning that what is supposed to be protoscince and fringe science could become mainstream scince? A new are of the scince investigations?

i think we might see a paradigm shift in the near future that might make us change the way we perceive our current perceptions of science as taught to us in school

I think that anyone wanting to maintain a paradigm (perhaos they have something invested in it eg they are a lecturer or author or whatever) might dismiss any other perspectives as 'pseudo'

But science begins with a hypothesis so if we want to keep evolving we should make an environment that is open to new ideas
 
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It is sad (but would explain a lot) that people think differently to what the OP says. Of course we aren't!
 
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The fossil record doesn't show much evidence of waring till recently? Well civilisation is a fairly recent thing, which means that organised armed forces are as well. However, primitive cultures did not largely disappear until recently - and from them there is ample evidence of very violent lifestyles. Here in Australia, the Aborigines had ritualised in-tribe violence in the form of very injurious rites of initiation; as well as having very aggressive dealings with neighbouring tribes. (The Australian Aborigines have been isolated geographically for at least 40,000 years). Nevertheless, very similar practices were found in Papua New Guinea, Africa, North and South America, and between the Pacific Islanders. All-out warfare may have been rare, given that most of the time tribes would keep to their territories, but there was certainly a very violent defense of territories, or nomadic groups. Indeed, historical records show that in the north of Australia, about 25% of male Aborigines would die in inter-tribal conflict.

I personally don't think we are likely to rise above our violent natures as a species - perhaps as individuals. But this does not think that this spells out our doom. I think it just means that we need to be realistic and prudent about our tendencies and see that they are directed/harnessed in a constructive, not destructive way.

I'm going to flip this thread around and say that violence is not inherently bad. It is a valid and necessary part of the universe.

Keep in mind that there's a difference between inherent and extrinsic properties as well. For example when you put water in a cup, it sits in the cup and takes the shape of the cup - on earth with gravity. Is that inherent to water? No. That property is extrinsic and caused by gravity - it does not happen everywhere in the universe.

Similarly, is violence really inherent, or might it be extrinsic? Even if there has been violence in every human society that ever lived, that does not necessarily prove that violence is inherent. It might still be extrinsic but caused by an ever present factor, similar to how water always fills a cup in your experience even though it is not the inherent nature of water that causes this behavior.
 
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I don't think it's the fact they can't. I think you don't want them to be able to. It would take away the mystery and precious metaphysical philosophy which allows people to posit things that are even less verifiable without chance of rebuttal.
As far as I know, science doesn't study psychological phenomena!
The nature of psychological issues are far too subjective to be investigated and predicted by science. Not only subjectivity is a issue here, but more the nature of the object: it comes from the old greek word 'psyche', a word that is confusing for science and its objectives.

There is a different field of study, which aims to study the human behaviour and its causes. Its called psychology, and many other branches with "psyche" in their name.

If the nature of human behaviour and mental functions could be classified and veryfied by scientific observations, testable explanations and clear predictions based on facts, than science could have its teritory on this field too. But until now, science hasn't done anything like that. They let psychology do this job, and they are aware of it.

And I'm not saying they couldn't, perhaps in the future science could put a firm step in this area too.
All what I'm trying to say is that the word 'science' is abused with callousness by popular media and journalists.

I think you don't want them to be able to.
This has nothing to do with the object and aim of science.
Its not that I don't want science to try some new things, is that I doubt they can succed in it!

It would take away the mystery and precious metaphysical philosophy which allows people to posit things that are even less verifiable without chance of rebuttal.
Probably yes. But as to entertain the possibility of science to advance in all the areas of knowledge, I still think after all the wonderful discoveries, there still will be questions on meaning, on purpose, on love, on certainty, on hope and other classic philosophical themes. So by all standarts, science works and is submited to philosophy. "Philosophy is applied science to truth."
 
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