Random Religious Thoughts

I get that the context is important, and the linked article goes into that in detail, but even in context the individual made statements that were way to easy to take out of context. I think about folks who are actual hate mongers who heard his words and felt like they had permission to hate from a bible thumper. The notion that DEI means filling a quota and does not mean expanding the population of candidates beyond the "normative" boundaries is a perfect example. No actual exploration of what is meant by Critical Race Theory and how it analyzes institutional racism. And then there is the use of the catch all "Cultural Marxism" which is clearly used by so many reactionaries as a bucket to drop segments of the population into that are deserving of loathing. Even the promotion of capital punishment is a whistle for those who think we need to kill off those we loathe. The way he went on about the bail issue of the Pelosi attacker when what he was saying was factually untrue. It rails up the haters.
 
SlowUpTake said:
I get that the context is important, and the linked article goes into that in detail, but even in context the individual made statements that were way to easy to take out of context. I think about folks who are actual hate mongers who heard his words and felt like they had permission to hate from a bible thumper. The notion that DEI means filling a quota and does not mean expanding the population of candidates beyond the "normative" boundaries is a perfect example. No actual exploration of what is meant by Critical Race Theory and how it analyzes institutional racism. And then there is the use of the catch all "Cultural Marxism" which is clearly used by so many reactionaries as a bucket to drop segments of the population into that are deserving of loathing. Even the promotion of capital punishment is a whistle for those who think we need to kill off those we loathe. The way he went on about the bail issue of the Pelosi attacker when what he was saying was factually untrue. It rails up the haters.
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This is not the place for political dialogue.

Having said that, Marxism, CRT, and DEI are fundamentally at odds with the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Exodus 23:3, 6
"Do not show favoritism to a poor person in his lawsuit. You must not deny justice to a poor person among you in his lawsuit."

Acts 10:34
"“Now I truly understand that God doesn’t show favoritism,”"

There is NO favoritism to those marginalized or privileged according to the Bible.
 
I thought this was Religious Thoughts not Cherry Pick from Christian Scripture. "cultural marxism' is not Marxism. Marx was an athiest, but the set of ideas that can be classified as communist is larger than the set of ideas that are Marxist, there are and have been Christian Communists who accept many aspects of Marxist dialectical materialism. the verses you posted reinforce the mistaken notion that CRT and DEI are about favoritism, they are not. DEI is about looking past the "normative" boundaries and CRT is about understanding what the "normative'" boundaries are and how they work.
 
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SlowUpTake said:
I thought this was Religious Thoughts not Cherry Pick from Christian Scripture. "cultural marxism' is not Marxism. Marx was an athiest, but the set of ideas that can be classified as communist is larger than the set of ideas that are Marxist, there are and have been Christian Communists who accept many aspects of Marxist dialectical materialism. the scriptures you posted reinforce the mistaken notion that CRT and DEI are about favoritism, they are not. DEI is about looking past the "normative" boundaries and CRT is about understanding what the "normative'" boundaries are and how they work.
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Any system that says all people in a group are inherently racist is racism in itself. This is classified today as "anti-racism." Anti-Racism is a racist movement that says that blacks cannot be racist and whites cannot help but be racist. That is what all these systems, like CRT and DEI, are built upon. You have the same speakers for DEI and CRT and Marxism from people like Ibram X Kendi, who gets paid tens of thousands of dollars to talk about how racist white people are.
 
SlowUpTake said:
I thought this was Religious Thoughts not Cherry Pick from Christian Scripture. "cultural marxism' is not Marxism. Marx was an athiest, but the set of ideas that can be classified as communist is larger than the set of ideas that are Marxist, there are and have been Christian Communists who accept many aspects of Marxist dialectical materialism. the verses you posted reinforce the mistaken notion that CRT and DEI are about favoritism, they are not. DEI is about looking past the "normative" boundaries and CRT is about understanding what the "normative'" boundaries are and how they work.
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"Cherry pick from religious scripture" is religious thought(s). It's approaching politics through religion. Christian communism is the same thing. However, saying political ideas are mistaken because they're interpreted through religion is more of a question mark, because it could easily be considered politics and not religion, depending on where one draws the line. Unless debating the idea of religion is considered religious thought, unless doing it through the lens of politics/political theory/political philosophy makes it political.
 
Princess Zucchini said:
"Cherry pick from religious scripture" is religious thought(s). It's approaching politics through religion. Christian communism is the same thing. However, saying political ideas are mistaken because they're interpreted through religion is more of a question mark, because it could easily be considered politics and not religion, depending on where one draws the line. Unless debating the idea of religion is considered religious thought, unless doing it through the lens of politics/political theory/political philosophy makes it political.
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If this helps (I doubt it will), but Christianity is neither right-wing or left-wing. IMO, the political talking points of the current day are only shadows of what Christ has in mind. And this would be expected. It would be expected that humanity as a whole doesn't get things totally right according to God's standards for politics. In short, there are good things about the right-wing and good things about the left-wing. But God is neither exclusively right-wing or left-wing. God is very merciful to those marginalized, but the Bible also constantly calls for order. In this way, it is a balance, and it is an error to fall too far on either side.

There are many ways I could show this, but one clear way is from this passage of the Bible I will quote here...

Matthew 22:15-22
"Then the Pharisees went and plotted how to trap him by what he said. So they sent their disciples to him, along with the Herodians. “Teacher,” they said, “we know that you are truthful and teach truthfully the way of God. You don’t care what anyone thinks nor do you show partiality. Tell us, then, what you think. Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar or not?”
Perceiving their malicious intent, Jesus said, “Why are you testing me, hypocrites? Show me the coin used for the tax.” They brought him a denarius. “Whose image and inscription is this?” he asked them.
“Caesar’s,” they said to him.
Then he said to them, “Give, then, to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” When they heard this, they were amazed. So they left him and went away."

The point is that you had various religio-political forces at work trying to force Jesus to take a "side." The Pharisees were opposed to Caesar. The Herodians were loyal to Caesar. These are a couple of the groups that were at work in this discussion. Jesus doesn't say, "I follow Caesar," or "I am against Caesar." He says, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's and give to God what is God's." The natural implication is that God appointed Caesar to be in power at that time (John 19:11), but God USES those in political power to do His will. Ultimately, God is in Charge, and we need to remember that Christ will ultimately be in the judgment seat and will judge the nations.

Proverbs 21:1
"A king’s heart is like channeled water in the LORD’s hand:
He directs it wherever he chooses."
 
Did either of you understand what I wrote? I'll reiterate, to make sure:

Religion --> politics = Religious Thought
Politics --> religion = political thought

So

"I think that x verse is a sign that God/ x religion has x political belief" = Religious Thoughts

"X political belief feels more like x religion because it helps more people " = Political Thoughts

Regardless of the contrived and ultimately meaningless tag "cherry picking," if you use religious texts to deduce a political view, right or left, it's still religious thought.

If you use politically-inspired works to determine your religion, such as what the not-sees and red diapers have historically done, it belongs in a political channel. If your asking your political movement "what religion sparkles with us," it's political thought, because the topic is the political movement, not the religion.

So, yes, "cherry picking religious texts to support politics" is religious thought, because they're determining their politics through merit of *personal religious interpretation,* not through *ingroup political religion. (ex., Austrian Painter deciding whether or not he wanted Islam to be the religion of his movement)*. If a person doesn't announce: "I am finding a religion to fit my politics" and instead says "I'm finding politics to fit my religion," then we must agree with their premise, since we're not magical mindreaders.
 
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