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Poll: Gay marriage

Gay marriage opinions/voting preference

  • I support gay marriage and I would vote for it

    Votes: 63 82.9%
  • I support gay marriage but I would vote against it

    Votes: 1 1.3%
  • I dont support gay marriage but I would still vote for it

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Im against gay marriage and I would vote against it

    Votes: 8 10.5%

  • Total voters
    76
"Heterosexual marriage" is redundant, like saying "feline cat", or "canine dog".

'Straight heterosexual' would be redundant… then again, you did completely ignore me when I quoted the dictionary's definition of marriage, so maybe you just like to have your own special sense of words.

As for the 'all gays must vote left' thing-- I don't think that it's fair that the choices are so limited, but at the same time if you voted for someone who was actively campaigning against the rights of a group to which you belong, I really have to wonder why.

I agree that my own interests aren't exactly represented even in the Canadian system… but I would never vote for anyone who I thought was going to make it harder for me to live my life the way I wanted to.
 
I'm outraged as a gay man that my love is a political bargaining chip. I respect Romney more for saying He does not like gays, then obama to be like ehhhhhhhhhfor 6 years then in one week it's "oh nvm I like gays oh btw vote for me" and it's the fact that in America you have the right to speak your mind. And as weird as weird as this sounds sometimes I want to go anti gay protests in support because those who love me, and those who hate me both deserve a chance to say it.

No offense, but you're acting like a kid whose rich parents just gave you a Porsche, but since it wasn't the right colour, you trashed it.
I get that free speech is important, though… but still, are you doing it for free speech or because you just want to be different/stir people up??
 
Oh, and also, the majority of Americans are not opposed to gay marriage, at least if you believe the latest Gallup poll:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/154529/Half-Americans-Support-Legal-Gay-Marriage.aspx

And the majority of voters who self-identify as "Independent" support it (57%) And I am sure any politician wants to attract Independet voters who can sway the outcome of an election.

Obama must be well aware of these numbers; the poll just came out a few days ago, just before he and Biden made their remarks in support of gay marriage.

Very much agree with Apone's statement:
As for the 'all gays must vote left' thing-- I don't think that it's fair that the choices are so limited, but at the same time if you voted for someone who was actively campaigning against the rights of a group to which you belong, I really have to wonder why.
 
don't you think bringing the issue up might motivate (votivate) people who would otherwise not vote?

You mean the ones who didn't vote on whether they were for or against same-sex unions (marriage)?
 
The right side of politics will in most places will usually be opposed, or at least uninterested in gay marriage issues - and the converse for the left.

This is because the right is usually more focused on the good of the nation; and the left is usually focused more on the good of individuals. Both approaches aim at general wellbeing: the right, through raising the entire standard of living, so that the poorest are much better off than the middle-class in other nations; the left, noting that the rich and middle-class are already fairly well-off focus their improvements directly are the poorer/disadvantaged/marginalised.

In its extreme, the right places the good of the nation at such great importance, so that individual good is sometimes negatively forfeited; and the left in its extreme places the good of the poor so high, as to ruin a nation, as it were dragging everyone down to the level of the worst-off; and this can spiral into increasingly worse conditions for everyone.

Center politics, as much as that every really exists, focuses on the good of the middle-class majority; such that unusual concessions are made neither to the extremely well-off, nor to the extremely disadvantaged. Permitting these distinctions/traits, it would seem that gay-marriage agendas can normally only ever be associated with the left (or the extreme left) of politics. This being because the gay marriage lobby is focused at a very small group of committed couples, which perceives itself to be socially/economically disadvantaged - and seeks outcomes which fundamentally redefine the status of the vast majority of committed couples (heterosexual couples). Uncommited couples are a somewhat seperate issue.

(Of course, this is a matter of social left and right, which doesn't always correspond with the economic, military, etc leanings of a particular political entity).
 
hm -- not so sure I agree. There are people who are politically conservative and there are people who don't like gays, usually for religious reasons.
These two groups are not at all the same thing, but they both get labeled "conservative" and frequently vote republican.

From what I've observed and heard from people around me talking, the more moderate conservative types (meaning the ones who do not persecute gays) are rather appalled and disgusted by the amount of effort and money spent on this issue, and some probably will change their minds and vote for Obama. At any rate, I predict he will win the next election, unless I am totally reading this whole situation wrong.

I don't think it has "intensified their hate" at all, at least not based on the people I've been listening to (people who are NOT Rush Limbaugh, in other words). Rather, they will probably pressure republicans to focus more on issues that actually matter and not spend so much time persecuting gays in a desperate bid to win votes from the most extreme members of that party, who get the most attention but are not (I believe) the majority.

(And P.S. I also don't believe for a second that Obama would have done this if he hadn't been fairly well convinced it would win him votes. He has pollsters and PR people and all manner of experts advising him. Their job is to get him reelected, and I am willing to bet they know what they are doing.)

He has overturned don't ask don't tell, and a slew of other pro gay legislation.
Telling the world he doesn't have a problem with gay marriage is about the least egregious thing he has done. The only ones that would change their minds are the ignorant idiots that don't know what they are voting for anyway.
Jmo.

Stop the hate. Support your president. Report to duty.
 
The right side of politics will in most places will usually be opposed, or at least uninterested in gay marriage issues - and the converse for the left.

This is because the right is usually more focused on the good of the nation; and the left is usually focused more on the good of individuals. Both approaches aim at general wellbeing: the right, through raising the entire standard of living, so that the poorest are much better off than the middle-class in other nations; the left, noting that the rich and middle-class are already fairly well-off focus their improvements directly are the poorer/disadvantaged/marginalised.

In its extreme, the right places the good of the nation at such great importance, so that individual good is sometimes negatively forfeited; and the left in its extreme places the good of the poor so high, as to ruin a nation, as it were dragging everyone down to the level of the worst-off; and this can spiral into increasingly worse conditions for everyone.

Center politics, as much as that every really exists, focuses on the good of the middle-class majority; such that unusual concessions are made neither to the extremely well-off, nor to the extremely disadvantaged. Permitting these distinctions/traits, it would seem that gay-marriage agendas can normally only ever be associated with the left (or the extreme left) of politics. This being because the gay marriage lobby is focused at a very small group of committed couples, which perceives itself to be socially/economically disadvantaged - and seeks outcomes which fundamentally redefine the status of the vast majority of committed couples (heterosexual couples). Uncommited couples are a somewhat seperate issue.

(Of course, this is a matter of social left and right, which doesn't always correspond with the economic, military, etc leanings of a particular political entity).

Yeah. I understand it's your opinion. It's that I just never agree with you and I'm always puzzled how you get whenever it is you are.
 
I disagree with those saying he is doing this at a risk. I think it's the exact opposite. There's probably a big worry that the youth vote and progressives will not bother to vote, and he/his political advisors are hoping this will push them to go to the polls. It is a highly calculated move. This late in the game, Obama wouldn't be announcing something like this if he didn't think it was going to HELP him win some votes.

I am cynical about this. Just SAYING you support something and actually doing something about it are two different things. I realize it's a political move in a giant screwed up game of chess they are playing essentially. But at the same time, you can't deny that it's historic. I am pretty sure this is the first time ever so far that a US president has openly stated on the record that they support this issue. I think just the fact that it has been said publicly like it has is a big deal and could maybe open the door for more politicians who've been cautiously keeping quiet to possibly finally speak up also.
 
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Maybe he is happy to be historic in so many ways. If we don't vote him in, who suffers. He'll be just fine having list years of his life stressing out trying to help our sad state of affairs.

The people on the right are evolutionarily deprived of even understanding their loss.
 
"Heterosexual marriage" is redundant, like saying "feline cat", or "canine dog".

I am honestly surprised that the lobby did not try to redefine the word 'heterosexual' to include male/male and female/female relationships: gay-marriage is as loopy a term as 'same sex heterosexuals'.

Heterosexual marriage may have been a reduntant term for our generation, but it will not be for the next generation. The term, word, concept of 'marriage' can be expanded to become more inclusive to all members of our community. And to make the term more concise and specific we can add a prefix of suffix to differentiate between the terms.

We are not a slave to our words and our culture unless we choose to be. Words can evolve. We can evolve. Why not let our words be more inclusive?
 
Heterosexual marriage may have been a reduntant term for our generation, but it will not be for the next generation.

My country has had it since 2005. Denmark since 2001.
Believe it or not, America doesn't make all the decisions for the rest of the world.
 
My country has had it since 2005. Denmark since 2001.
Believe it or not, America doesn't make all the decisions for the rest of the world.

Unfortunately my home is still pretty backward in this respect. We do alright with some things, but very poorly with some human rights and environmental issues. The lamest, saddest thing is that I really think that our prime minister does support gay marriage but she is too cowardly to support it publically. She is in a precarious position keeping her seat, and probably thinks she cant afford to piss off so many conservatives. But it wont take long now before this becomes a reality as more and more people are coming on board.
 
America doesn't make all the decisions for the rest of the world.
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the USA is a complicated place. sure our culture seems banal and our politics abrasive, our foreign policy a combo of lethal fear and bald faced capitalism. but our people are extremely varied in a multitude of ways that is not seen in many (or even any) other countries of the world. What happened this week is kinda miraculous, in that a sitting US President endorsed gay marriage. If I were really smart I would be stunned.
 
No offense, but you're acting like a kid whose rich parents just gave you a Porsche, but since it wasn't the right colour, you trashed it.
I get that free speech is important, though… but still, are you doing it for free speech or because you just want to be different/stir people up??


ummm ok
 
Thanks [MENTION=1939]Stu[/MENTION]
 
The right side of politics will in most places will usually be opposed, or at least uninterested in gay marriage issues - and the converse for the left.

This is because the right is usually more focused on the good of the nation; and the left is usually focused more on the good of individuals. Both approaches aim at general wellbeing: the right, through raising the entire standard of living, so that the poorest are much better off than the middle-class in other nations; the left, noting that the rich and middle-class are already fairly well-off focus their improvements directly are the poorer/disadvantaged/marginalised.

In its extreme, the right places the good of the nation at such great importance, so that individual good is sometimes negatively forfeited; and the left in its extreme places the good of the poor so high, as to ruin a nation, as it were dragging everyone down to the level of the worst-off; and this can spiral into increasingly worse conditions for everyone.

Center politics, as much as that every really exists, focuses on the good of the middle-class majority; such that unusual concessions are made neither to the extremely well-off, nor to the extremely disadvantaged. Permitting these distinctions/traits, it would seem that gay-marriage agendas can normally only ever be associated with the left (or the extreme left) of politics. This being because the gay marriage lobby is focused at a very small group of committed couples, which perceives itself to be socially/economically disadvantaged - and seeks outcomes which fundamentally redefine the status of the vast majority of committed couples (heterosexual couples). Uncommited couples are a somewhat seperate issue.

(Of course, this is a matter of social left and right, which doesn't always correspond with the economic, military, etc leanings of a particular political entity).
Are you one of those people who think Obama is a socialist/communist and the Republicans are moderately right? You seem the type.

Protip: Obama is a centrist.
 
Are you one of those people who think Obama is a socialist/communist and the Republicans are moderately right? You seem the type.

Protip: Obama is a centrist.

I don't think he has either left, nor right interests: this does not mean he is center focused either. The only thing Obama is interested in is Obama.
I feel sorry for you that he is your hope. I also feel sorry for him, for having to appeal to every group reeking of desperation to float his barge.
 
keep your pity, and your paternalism.










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