Ni - Fi - Ti - Si

Headstorm said:
Why would this function stack be impossible? And of course all those other possibilities not covered by mbti.
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No MBTI expert here, but because they are all introverted functions and we interact with the world somehow no matter how introverted we are.
 
Indeed. If your stack consisted solely of introverted functions, all interaction with the world would be unfavoured or even harmful. But then how would you form the internal information that you feel, think, know, intuit, without interacting with the world?

The functions of our stacks have natural complementaries, they need the other to function at all.

The only way such an arrangement would make sense is in aptitude (and this is a very remote chance, from the Ni-Si side alone, which is pretty much impossible), but the attitude remains with one of the 16 stacks. Thus the types remain the same.
 
Headstorm said:
I understand. But I also know that these are only preferred functions. So, we have them all, but why can't the preferred functions not be the introverted ones? Or three E and 1 I function?
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Because essentially there is only one mode you prefer, one E and one I. The rest are there to complete the squared picture.

You have Ni-Fe, for example. On the conscious side, you would complete it with Ti-Se. And then complement on the shadow's side with the alternate/dark-mirrored stack.

Edit: just noticed the mistake, sorry. But you know what I meant :sweatsmile: :D
 
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Hello @Headstorm !

It's been a while since I delved into MBTI (and most of my information is second hand anyway), but as I came to understand it it is supposedly backed by statistics that more or less falls into a model of function symmetry (If you draw a line your second and third function, e.g. Fe Ni | Se Ti, there is a symmetry there). Other than statistics my only other takeaway is that it looks pretty as a model.

The problem is, also to my understanding, that the model doesn't really hold up with modern analysis and statistics. Take it for whatever it's worth, but I wouldn't read *too* much into it personally.
 
Headstorm said:
Why would this function stack be impossible? And of course all those other possibilities not covered by mbti.
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It's not impossible. There is no empirical evidence whatever for functions theory, though many would claim that it has anecdotal evidence.

Functions theory is nothing more than an interesting interpretive framework for understanding yourself; there is no inherent reason why there 'must be' this Introverted-Extroverted balance beyond the pleasing symmetry of the system.

However, if we wish to investigate this question from within the system, then we must ask what sort of personality might result from such a function stack.

Ni - Fi - Ti - Si would be a very different kind of character indeed:

A brain in a tank, constantly thinking of what it is, or what it might be.

A dreaming un/consciousness, with no sense of the outside world.

A latent consciousness inside a generalised AI.

Such an individual would have a terrifying existence indeed.

On the other hand, there is no reason to argue against those functions being used in that order by an individual engaged in a specific task, such as someone trying to figure out if their past actions were morally valid, or something like that. The problem is that it is not really possible to conceive of a functional human being with those four preferences.
 
Ginny said:
Some questions turn up again and again, or different questions have the same answers. It happens.

Or do you think about clairvoyancy :wink:?
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hmh... :neutral:


Deleted member 16771 said:
Ni - Fi - Ti - Si would be a very different kind of character indeed:

A brain in a tank, constantly thinking of what it is, or what it might be.

A dreaming un/consciousness, with no sense of the outside world.

A latent consciousness inside a generalised AI.

Such an individual would have a terrifying existence indeed.
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I sense story material.
 
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Interestingly, though, this is the order of INTJ functions if the extraverted ones were turned off (that is, it's the deep Introverted loop of an INTJ)
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There's an interesting interpretation of INTJ functions here... I wonder if anyone thinks this is accurate/inaccurate.

In my case, I don't agree with the Ti interpretation and the Si one is a bit weird, but I can see how it is true.
 
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There's an interesting interpretation of INTJ functions here... I wonder if anyone thinks this is accurate/inaccurate.

In my case, I don't agree with the Ti interpretation and the Si one is a bit weird, but I can see how it is true.
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The functions are a little mixed up. Look at them again.

Leading astray... not sure, can this really be Fe?

Reading again it sounds like the shadow functions are somewhat mixed up as a whole with their uses, like they were inaccurately taken from a socionics site and one-on-one taken over numerically.
 
Ginny said:
The functions are a little mixed up. Look at them again.

Leading astray... not sure, can this really be Fe?

Reading again it sounds like the shadow functions are somewhat mixed up as a whole with their uses, like they were inaccurately taken from a socionics site and one-on-one taken over numerically.
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Oh yeah Fe and Si are mixed up - I was actually going to reply to you in that enneagram thread to say that my assumption of INTJ having Fe trickster was wrong, after looking at this.

But if its just the labels mixed up (as in, Fe is the #7 description), then yeah that would actually make sense to me.

Again, apart from Ti that is.
 
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Oh yeah Fe and Si are mixed up - I was actually going to reply to you in that enneagram thread to say that my assumption of INTJ having Fe trickster was wrong, after looking at this.
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I'm not going by one strict terminology anyway, since most use different ones. It's fine, so long as the content talked about remains the same :)
 
Something has to be external. And since the functions are pairs, N or S, T or F, one of each is usually preferred to notice and analyze the outer world. You MUST sense the external environment and interpret what is there (using N and S) and you MUST understand it and interact with it (using T and F).

All strongly internal functions would yield a person in a mental state who lives in his own mind, senses only his own body functions, thinks his own thoughts, and feels his own feelings. Impossible to survive that way.

Oh, hey! I think I know what you might mean by your post: What if a person was EXACTLY 50/50 percent on all four functions? That would be entirely possible. That would offer the most options in terms of a well-rounded personality. However, it might be a struggle to prioritize anything!
 
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