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Wow.

I don't know where to start. It was shot down? By who? Ukraine? Russia? Why? What will be the impact of this?

Another Malaysia MH370 down. Coincidence? Probably, but what if it's not!?

How will this impact the investigation of the missing MH370 airline?

Curious to know what you think!
 
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I don't understand the point in shooting down a commercial airplane.. My heart aches for those who lost their lives and those who lost their loved ones.. It frustrates me and no one ever deserves to endure that. I don't really have much to add other than that :(
 
http://www.presstv.com/detail/2014/03/14/354594/us-planning-terror-attacks-in-ukraine/

US caught planning terror attacks in Ukraine
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This map, which was attached to a terror plan email, shows where the plane wreckage of a terror attack is to be found
Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:20PM GMT
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By Gordon Duff
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In a series of hacked emails received from “Anonymous Ukraine” it is clear that Pentagon officials working in concert with extremist elements in the Ukraine have carried out and are planning more attacks in Ukraine.

What is also clear is that these attacks are to be blamed on Russia including blowing up planes at an airport. Other attacks may well include mass civilian casualties.
The long series of emails include several that are frighteningly incriminating. This is first of the “worst,” three “smoking gun” false flag planning documents:
Ihor,
Events are moving rapidly in Crimea. Our friends in Washington expect more decisive actions from your network.
I think it's time to implement the plan we discussed lately. Your job is to cause some problems to the transport hubs in the south-east in order to frame-up the neighbor.
It will create favorable conditions for Pentagon and the Company to act.
Do not waste time, my friend.
Respectfully,
JP
Jason P. Gresh
Lieutenant Colonel, U.S. Army
Assistant Army Attaché
U.S. Embassy, Kyiv
Tankova 4, Kyiv, Ukraine 04112
(380-44) 521 - 5444 | Fax (380-44) 521 – 5636
“Framing up the neighbor” as Lt. Col. Gresh states so inelegantly defines false flag terrorism. Other documents including a White Paper done by the International Centre for Policy Studies in Kiev dated March 4, 2014 warns of Russian “conspiracy theories.”
The Centre’s White Paper provides what intelligence experts call “deception and cover” for terror attacks planned, as we learn, by the US Army working with Ukrainian military officials and terrorist groups.
The email below, copied to COL Igor PROTSYK, Chief, Bilateral Military Cooperation Division, Main Directorate for Military Cooperation and PKO, General Staff, Armed Forces of Ukraine, not only outlines a terror attack to be blamed on Russian Special Forces, it actually includes a map of where the wreckage is to be found:
Oleg, an urgent need poshumity (sic) on behalf of Russians at the airport in Melitopol. This should be done by March 15 . Sam understands why.
First of all you must contact Pasha Tarasenko. You must know him , he is a local Liberty and has a theme.
Before you arrive 10-12 boys from the Centre. Top fighters Trident. Chief Mike there, you should know it too . Details will know him. We need people to meet and provide everything you need.
Proceed with caution. Speak only Russian. 25 team is executing combat missions, so do not do them much damage to aircraft . There is a lot of scrap metal, with it you can do anything. Damaged aircraft you specify. It is essential that all was as real attack neighbor's Special Forces. But without corpses.
Give me again your account. The money will come in time, do not worry.
See the appendix . This is an example of action. Decisions are made in person.
Will publication of this hacked email actually stop the upcoming attack on Melitopol? When they specify that corpses aren’t needed, does this mean that they are planning on getting them elsewhere?
When they say “the money will come in time,” are they aware of sequestration and how the US has been paying its bills less quickly than before?
We quickly found Pasha Tarasenko through his “My Space” account. Prominently featured is a photograph in a Ukrainian Army officers dress uniform.
In this final email about the upcoming terror attack on Melitopol airport, Colonel Protsyk takes clear control of the operation:
Basil , you must quickly carry out proactive in Melitopol. There's 25 aviation brigade . Must zamaraty our sworn friends and good neighbors. I think you understand me.
Just proceed carefully and cautiously. 25 brigade combat mission out , so do not do them much damage to aircraft . There is already damaged aircraft , that He can do everything. Yihny board numbers you give. Remember , you need everything to be as real attack of the Russian Special Forces.
Brigade commander there is a reasonable man . Details of know he will not, but in extreme cases it can turn to. We did come.
COL Igor PROTSYK
Chief, Bilateral Military Cooperation Division
Main Directorate for Military Cooperation and PKO
General Staff, Armed Forces of Ukraine
tel +38044 481-5407
Cell +38067 407 97 40
e-mail: i.v.protsyk @ mil.gov.ua
e-mail: protsyk@ukr.net
It began with terrorist snipers hired by the “new” Ukrainian government, killing their own supporters. The US involvement was long proven through the infamous Victoria Nuland phone conversation, America “anointing” their chosen terrorists to stage a confrontation with Russia.
The second call, between the Estonian Foreign Minister, Urmas Paet and EU Foreign Minister Catherine Ahston gave us that “smoking gun,” that the current cabal in Kiev are terrorists and criminals.
We now have Americans hiring terrorists, planning attacks, working with the Ukrainian Army and Neo-Nazi groups to blow up planes, attack airports and clearly do so in order to blame Russia and inflame the world to the point of war.
Many of the other documents show planning and logistic support through Bulgaria with PowerPoints in English. Mixed in with the documents are a selection of NATO unclassified news reports.
What can be safely assumed? The US government, certainly the State Department and US Army are involved. NATO involvement is a given.
The current rulers in Kiev are proven to be the criminal element predicted by Catherine Ashton of the EU and so many others.
What we do have is a clear smoking gun, not just names but personal email addresses, mobile phone numbers and language that can never be mistaken.
Gladio based false flag terrorism is alive and well, there can be no question.
 
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Wow.

I don't know where to start. It was shot down? By who? Ukraine? Russia? Why? What will be the impact of this?

Another Malaysia MH370 down. Coincidence? Probably, but what if it's not!?

How will this impact the investigation of the missing MH370 airline?

Curious to know what you think!

I initially heard it was a flight which had been shot down by one or the other in this ongoing conflict and thought that was controversial enough but when I heard it was a malaysian flight I thought this is just intrigue heaped up upon intrigue here.
 
I don't understand the point in shooting down a commercial airplane.. My heart aches for those who lost their lives and those who lost their loved ones.. It frustrates me and no one ever deserves to endure that. I don't really have much to add other than that :(

Its pretty terroristic isnt it?

The deliberate targetting of non-combatants and all, as the primary objective as opposed to any kind of excuse about collatoral damage, casualties of war or anything of that kind.
 
Putin was apparently flying that way earlier in the day...it might have been a pop at him that hit the wrong target

Of course a pop at Putin would be a declaration of war....world war 3

As it stands that region is now becomming the most dangerous flashpoint on the planet alongside the troubles brewing in the middle east where ISIS is being funded and armed by the US and might be used to carry out some sort of attack that would set the region alight spiraling things out of control
 
when you give drunkards anti aircraft missiles, bad things happen.
 
when you give drunkards anti aircraft missiles, bad things happen.

Well actually it is the US backed Ukrainian government who have the ability to do a shoot down like that and they have a track record of it as this newspaper story from 2001 shows:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/oct/12/russia.israel

Ukraine admits missile may have downed Russian plane



A Ukrainian official today admitted that his country's military may have mistakenly shot down a Russian commercial airliner over the Black sea last week, killing all 78 people on board. The announcement by Yevhen Marchuk, the head of the Ukrainian security council and a member of the commission investigating the tragedy, marks the first time that the country has conceded it may be responsible.
"The reason for the crash could be an unintentional hit by an S-200 missile during the Ukrainian air defence exercises," Mr Marchuk told a press conference today, adding that investigators would make their final conclusions after further, complex research.
The Russian chief of the investigative commission, Vladimir Rushailo, said today that the aircraft had been hit by an anti-aircraft missile, the Interfax news agency reported.
Mr Rushailo said: "The Tu-154 flying from Tel Aviv to Novosibirsk crashed because it was hit by the warhead of an anti-aircraft missile." He added that investigators were continuing to examine fragments of the downed plane.
The Russian Tu-154 airliner crashed October 4 off the Black Sea coast, near the Russian city of Sochi, after an explosion on board. All 78 crew and passengers, most of them recent Russian immigrants to Israel, were killed.
Hours after the crash, US officials said that the tragedy had been caused by an S-200 missile fired mistakenly by Ukrainian forces during military exercises on the Crimean peninsula, which juts into the Black sea.
Pressure has been mounting on Ukraine's leadership to take responsibility for the crash. Ukrainian military officials have heatedly denied they were at fault, but the Ukrainian president, Leonid Kuchma, said yesterday that the defence minister, Oleksandr Kuzmuk, had submitted his resignation immediately after the tragedy. The resignation was rejected.
Mr Kuchma today ordered the creation of a Ukrainian commission to look into the causes of the tragedy, together with Russia.
Russian investigators had initially focused on the possibility of a terrorist attack, but officials signalled over the weekend that they were considering the Ukrainian missile theory ever more likely.
On Tuesday, a top investigator, former Soviet air force chief Yevgeny Shaposhnikov, said experts had found fragments resembling the missile's payload at the Black sea crash site.
 
This just scares me...on so many levels. the implications for travel. the outcome of firing a missile on civilians. russian/ukraine conflict going international. It just blows my mind
 
The numerology of these events creep me out.

The time the plane disappeared: 4:20 = 6
280 passengers = 6
15 crew members = 6

Ehh maybe I'm just reading too much into it but yeah..
 
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This just scares me...on so many levels. the implications for travel. the outcome of firing a missile on civilians. russian/ukraine conflict going international. It just blows my mind

It seems like a week can't go by without something mind blowing happening!

It's because the conspiracy is at a critical point

This is the point where they are trying to lump countries into large trading blocks but at the same time that they are trying to do that the public are also becoming increasingly wise to what they're doin so the more crazy shit they pull the more suspicious the public will get and the less easily manipulated they will be

They're going to pull off bigger and bigger stunts to try and steer public perception and the only way we can counter that is to not act in knee jerk ways whenever something crazy happens

So if they then scream: ''its the muslims!!'' or ''its the russians!'' or ''its the martians!'' or 'whatever external threat they want to blame it on and try and get us to go along with them into some crazy war we can then sit back and say: ''no it's our own western leaders, who are doing it'' and refuse to go along with their schemes

But when you hear some people online saying things like: ''the palestineans deserve it'' or ''we should teach the russians a lesson'' or ''the roman catholic church are less peadophilic than the general public and besides its just a mental confusion some people are having'' then its easy to despair a little!

Some people are still glugging back the kool aid...but the crazy rollercoaster we are all on DOES NOT STOP until enough people stop drinking the kool aid because then the spell is broken and once the spell is broken they can't manipulate us enmasse into doing their bidding anymore

People have to stop drinking the kool aid!
 
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The numerology of these events creep me out.

The time the plane disappeared: 4:20 = 6
280 passengers = 6
15 crew members = 6

Ehh maybe I'm just reading too much into it but yeah..

Try this for numbers:
Boeing 777
Dead : 2+9+5=16=1+6=7
Month:7
Year:2+0+1+4=7
 
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Do we know for a fact that it was shot down by a surface to air missile?

Might it have been something on board?
 
Do we know for a fact that it was shot down by a surface to air missile?

Might it have been something on board?

Radar detected a SAM that came online and tracked the target and they claim the heat signature of the missile hitting the plane was detected. This was no hand held MANPAD, this was a self propelled vehicle carried anti air battery.

Also conveniently there's a video made by somebody who was filming the spot where the plane blew up apparently.

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Or basically the big SAMs come with a radar station that tracks the target so that the missile doesn't need to carry as much equipment on it for a one way trip, making it cheaper and lighter. This radar station has a signature when it comes online which is how SAM launches are detected and identified.
 
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Do we know for a fact that it was shot down by a surface to air missile?

Might it have been something on board?

CIA claims it was a missle, I'm inclined to believe them planes aren't know for just up and exploding mid air on their own. I betting it was the Russian's, most likely an accident from someone jumping the gun considering they've shot down a couple of planes already.

The black box is on it's way to Moscow, which means we'll never know.
 
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People have to stop drinking the kool aid!

Ok, let's see the connections between this Malaysian air tragedy and their missing aircraft from earlier this year.
 
when you give drunkards anti aircraft missiles, bad things happen.

I think that's what it is, this is more serious than the ukrainian-Russian conflict too, this is like the Lockerbie bombing, Gaddafi's trafficking of money and arms globally to anyone claiming to be "anti-imperialist" during the closing days of the Cold War etc.

The Russians are crowing that this is a result of the Ukrainians not controlling their territory but they Russians have supplied the weapons to that region in the first place. I think the Ukraininans are right that the bastards responsible for this have to be caught and punished.

On a side note I think its getting to the point that civilian aircraft need to be outfitted with military style counter measures, it may not protect them completely but it would be something. I think that its unfortunate but like in the Axis of Time books society in general is going to get more militarised and day to day life will resemble more and more active service for the civilian population.
 
Do we know for a fact that it was shot down by a surface to air missile?

Might it have been something on board?

Surface to air missiles in the "hands of rebels", the rebels are being defeated but they have been treated to increasingly heavier armour and weapons by their Russian paymasters.

Dutch and Australian sources say.