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Making Peace with Gossips

Trifoilum

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So.

I think it isn't too outrageous to claim that there will be a time where we gets to become the target of a gossip.
Where our actions gets misconstrued, our intention framed as something else entirely, our character twisted into something we don't believe we are*.
Or where the other party just sees our actions and motive in a particular way and reacts from there-- whether justified or not.

My question is, how do you make peace with this?

Asking for myself, because recently I've been struggling with this sort of fear-- which is as paranoid as it is inevitable.
And I am...still not the kind of person who can dismiss that. So I am riddled with anxiety.

*) To make things complicated, sometimes they might have a point.
 
How to combat gossip:
  1. Be likable
  2. Don't give a fuck (their thoughts/feelings wont affect you)
  3. Don't depend on people (their actions wont effect you)
 
How to combat gossip:
  1. Be likable
  2. Don't give a fuck (their thoughts/feelings wont affect you)
  3. Don't depend on people (their actions wont effect you)
[MENTION=2172]Trifoilum[/MENTION]
Once you've mastered #'s 2 and 3, #1 is a given.

Unfortunately, you'll be stuck with this problem if you feel you are unable to do 2 and 3. I would suggest cutting ties with the individuals that are causing the issue(s). No friends are better than fake friends.
 
If the gossip is true, then so what?

If the gossip is false, it usually emerges on its own.
 
Soom or late the truth will prevail, also what ruji said is the best you can do. The most you try the better you'll get.
 
How to combat gossip:
  1. Be likable
  2. Don't give a fuck (their thoughts/feelings wont affect you)
  3. Don't depend on people (their actions wont effect you)
combating is one thing,
making peace is another.

It's like, I can deflect a flying shoe but right now I'm trying to make peace with the fact that someone WILL throw a shoe at me...?

@Trifoilum
Once you've mastered #'s 2 and 3, #1 is a given.

Unfortunately, you'll be stuck with this problem if you feel you are unable to do 2 and 3. I would suggest cutting ties with the individuals that are causing the issue(s). No friends are better than fake friends.

Yeah, I do agree with this though. And #1 without #2 and #3 becomes HAHAHAHAHA PEOPLE PLEASING LIKE ME LIKE ME LOVE ME DON'T HATE ME.

If the gossip is true, then so what?

If the gossip is false, it usually emerges on its own.
What do you mean by emerges on its own? As in, it doesn't matter what I'll do?

Soom or late the truth will prevail, also what ruji said is the best you can do. The most you try the better you'll get.
*sigh* I suppose so..
 
What do you mean by emerges on its own? As in, it doesn't matter what I'll do?
I mean the falsity of false gossip usually emerges without any assistance. In fact, the less you confront false gossip, the more quickly its inconsistencies become apparent.
 
I have been the subject of gossip many times. There is no way that gossips, in my experience, ever see the falsity of false gossip on their own. I don't care what people say unless the gossip is malicious. In that event, I will sidle up to one of the biggest gossips in the place and make very careful, orchestrated comments that dispel the gossip and expose the truth to her in confidence. Just between us. She then secretly tells everyone what I said. I have found that method works better than any other.
 
So.

I think it isn't too outrageous to claim that there will be a time where we gets to become the target of a gossip.
Where our actions gets misconstrued, our intention framed as something else entirely, our character twisted into something we don't believe we are*.
Or where the other party just sees our actions and motive in a particular way and reacts from there-- whether justified or not.

My question is, how do you make peace with this?

Asking for myself, because recently I've been struggling with this sort of fear-- which is as paranoid as it is inevitable.
And I am...still not the kind of person who can dismiss that. So I am riddled with anxiety.

*) To make things complicated, sometimes they might have a point.

What other people think about you is none of your business. I honestly cannot tell people that enough. If they want to talk about you whether or not they have something positive or negative to say, the only reason is because they are trying to feel out what another person thinks of you so they can build on that. It actually has nothing to do with you and more of their impression of who they think you are and what you are about and if they are not certain they tend to share information or ideas about you to see if someone else agrees with them.

Gossip is kind of funny in the sense that people who indulge themselves in it are relating to other people through their ideas about someone else. They are actually seeking external validation about something that just doesn't matter. It is like this in our workplace. There are a couple people here who soak up gossip like oxygen - they thrive on it and if they aren't getting info about certain individuals they want to try to suck something out of them. When there's drama in my particular department one person will catch wind of a few details and "innocently" inquire about what is going on. I can actually see in their laser like focus that they're trying quite hard to see what it is that I am going to say and whether or not I am going to say anything that will confirm or deny what they already believe. They need me or someone else to fill in the gaps so they can complete their story. I know they get frustrated with me because my go to is always that I have no idea what other people have going on and their business is really none of mine. I refuse to share or indulge.

People who gossip are always giving away their power because it reveals a character flaw in them (Depending on what they are divulging and why). I always find that I am not bothered much if people want to discuss me because I take full ownership of who I am, the decisions I make, my performance, relationships with others, etc and I am 100% unapologetic about it. I feel like if someone wants to try to attack that by indulging in gossip about me it will be based on predominantly false information because I am not ashamed of myself, my life or anything that I've really done. I feel like there is nothing for me to fear if I show up and be exactly who I am and show the best of what I have to offer.

In your case, I don't know if you're afraid that you are vulnerable to these people and they are going to expose information about you that you don't want to be shared, or if somehow they're going to attack your character and thereby warp the perceptions that others may have about you. All I can say is that if you show up in your life and own who you are and what you are about then there's essentially nothing petty fools can do to take you down and you should never have fear unless you've actually done something wrong and are trying to hide that.

All I can say is chill out. People can be shit. But gossip is more about their feelings and need for validation than it is about you. It's empty.
 
  • Don't gossip (ever) - maintain your level of ethical respect.
  • When gossip hits, frontstab (preferably short and sweet in front of as many people possible as timely as possible) - maintain your level of self esteem.
 
A man in my former workplace was constantly constructing and spreading malicious lies about others, I have no idea how he gets away with it, I made reports about him but I think it's part of the culture of that workplace that allows it. When I encounter gossip I will contradict it and it will make me think harder that I don't want to gossip about others.
 
What other people think about you is none of your business. I honestly cannot tell people that enough. If they want to talk about you whether or not they have something positive or negative to say, the only reason is because they are trying to feel out what another person thinks of you so they can build on that. It actually has nothing to do with you and more of their impression of who they think you are and what you are about and if they are not certain they tend to share information or ideas about you to see if someone else agrees with them.

Gossip is kind of funny in the sense that people who indulge themselves in it are relating to other people through their ideas about someone else. They are actually seeking external validation about something that just doesn't matter.

....

I can actually see in their laser like focus that they're trying quite hard to see what it is that I am going to say and whether or not I am going to say anything that will confirm or deny what they already believe. They need me or someone else to fill in the gaps so they can complete their story.

Yeah, this. I think the significant part of it is seeking validation-- I know that's what I sought when I want to talk about other people's actions.
Completing their story.
Validation, commiseration, and perhaps some amount of solution.

And in here what I do or does not do probably won't matter-- in the greater sense of, whatever I choose to do, there are million other reactions I did not do.

People will talk no matter what.

And I cannot exactly blame them either if they found any of the gossip is true. If they let the gossip influence their perspective of me, then something sticks.
Probably that's why it's so annoying.
I know they get frustrated with me because my go to is always that I have no idea what other people have going on and their business is really none of mine. I refuse to share or indulge.
You must have been a very implacable woman for these people :p

People who gossip are always giving away their power because it reveals a character flaw in them (Depending on what they are divulging and why).

....? How so?

I always find that I am not bothered much if people want to discuss me because I take full ownership of who I am, the decisions I make, my performance, relationships with others, etc and I am 100% unapologetic about it. I feel like if someone wants to try to attack that by indulging in gossip about me it will be based on predominantly false information because I am not ashamed of myself, my life or anything that I've really done. I feel like there is nothing for me to fear if I show up and be exactly who I am and show the best of what I have to offer.

In your case, I don't know if you're afraid that you are vulnerable to these people and they are going to expose information about you that you don't want to be shared, or if somehow they're going to attack your character and thereby warp the perceptions that others may have about you.
Personally? Simply put, I stopped hiding.
I cannot say I have shown the best of what I have to offer (in fact I might have shown and given the worst), but in this case I don't cover it. It's tiring.

My fear is probably the same as the fear of 'a permanent record'; something that people will always remember about me ("oh, that's Trifoilum who did X"), especially with the foreverness of social media. I'm afraid that my own actions and life bear little power compared to these people's words.

Which is something I should pay back, yes; as a consequences of my own actions.

All I can say is that if you show up in your life and own who you are and what you are about then there's essentially nothing petty fools can do to take you down and you should never have fear unless you've actually done something wrong and are trying to hide that.

All I can say is chill out. People can be shit. But gossip is more about their feelings and need for validation than it is about you. It's empty.
Thank you. I shall endeavor to give no fucks. <3

  • Don't gossip (ever) - maintain your level of ethical respect.
  • When gossip hits, frontstab (preferably short and sweet in front of as many people possible as timely as possible) - maintain your level of self esteem.

do define frontstab, please?

A man in my former workplace was constantly constructing and spreading malicious lies about others, I have no idea how he gets away with it, I made reports about him but I think it's part of the culture of that workplace that allows it. When I encounter gossip I will contradict it and it will make me think harder that I don't want to gossip about others.
how do you contradict them gossips? :p
 
I mean the falsity of false gossip usually emerges without any assistance. In fact, the less you confront false gossip, the more quickly its inconsistencies become apparent.

That is true, I think.

I have been the subject of gossip many times. There is no way that gossips, in my experience, ever see the falsity of false gossip on their own. I don't care what people say unless the gossip is malicious. In that event, I will sidle up to one of the biggest gossips in the place and make very careful, orchestrated comments that dispel the gossip and expose the truth to her in confidence. Just between us. She then secretly tells everyone what I said. I have found that method works better than any other.

..hmm..

do you have any particular examples?
 
do define frontstab, please?

If they exaggerated a semi-truth, tell them (and in front of all) exactly how they manipulated that truth and why they are doing so.

Then, let the jury decide. But make sure you give them an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth first.

At least try your best, and you'll sleep better at night :)
 
..How did that go for you? O_O That sounds like....it's definitely the kind of thing that will make waves. XD