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Interesting stuff from the 2min news.

[video=youtube;8inNf30AlnU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8inNf30AlnU[/video]

http://www.keshefoundation.org/en/

Fascinating site... Tech with serious implications...

Obama is censoring it... apparently?

Looking into it. Check it out.
 
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Today I spent a lot of time looking at the keshe foundation forum...

It's so much info to look through, and it's all fascinating and fun.

In the past I followed Nassim Haramein for a bit.
He was also working to develop gravity technology, but he might have gotten carried away with the esoteric stuff.

It seems as if Keshe has made significant progress and is ready to release this tech to the people in the interest of establishing world peace... the date is set for Sep 21, 2012.

Plasma reactors creating a gravitational field...

Hoping for a hover board this time next year.

: )
 
Quite an interesting lecture! If you have a short attention span skip ahead to 30 mins and check it out at 40 mins.
The whole thing is beyond fascinating... I'm 60 minutes into it now.... really geeking out here.

!!!

[video=youtube;fCFO3-MOCYE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCFO3-MOCYE[/video]

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Ok, just finished this... Q+A at the end was really neat.

Well worth viewing.
 
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When other people try to test their reactors they don't work because they all carry GPS tracking device that deactivate them when they been stolen...riiight.

They could produce all the gold or diamonds they want but instead choose to rely on other people to give them money because of their altruistic concern for the stability world economy...suuure.

He does not wish to adapt his technology to solving world energy concerns purely because his focus in space travel...ok.


He does not present any mathematics to support his work, only a conceptual outline meant to appeal to the layman. What he calls plasma clearly has nothing to do with what anyone else calls plasma. His description of the workings of magnetism bears little to no resemblance to that taught in actual college level physics classes. It is completely incompatible with the Maxwell Equations, and pretty much everything we know about electricity. I'm fairly certain that our computers could not function if he was right. His claim about what makes the gravitational field of earth have a strength of 1 g makes no sense.

The few ideas that actually seem to make some sense intuitively are things that lots of people tried their best to prove before moving on to the current standard model. If he could actually unify gravitation and electromagnetism then he would be the most famous physicist in history.


This guy is clearly a complete fraud.
 
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When other people try to test their reactors they don't work because they all carry GPS tracking device that deactivate them when they been stolen...riiight.

They could produce all the gold or diamonds they want but instead choose to rely on other people to give them money because of their altruistic concern for the stability world economy...suuure.

He does not wish to adapt his technology to solving world energy concerns purely because his focus in space travel...ok.

This guy is clearly a complete fraud.

Are you so sure?

Why would someone go to all this trouble?

He claims to have produced working technology already and he's in the process of presenting this to the nations.

How else does one go about this without getting themselves killed?
It's an extremely sensitive situation because this seems to be a technology we are not ready for.
@muir, yes, thrive doc explores implications of free energy and introduces folks to Nassim Harameins unified field theory.

Nassim was hoping to get some funding help through the thrive film.

Kesh foundation seems a bit more credible and appears to be ready to actually release something.

http://www.keshefoundation.org/en/i...nts/312-the-second-international-presentation

I can admit that it seems too good to be true... but I don't think Kesh foundation would do all that they are doing if they weren't really on to something.

They have a donation button and they have a few books for sale. You can also pre-order a 3-4KW plasma generator...
http://www.keshefoundation.org/en/shop

It'd be quite an elaborate scam operation if it was all BS.
 
[MENTION=963]myself[/MENTION]

I've also heard it said that the thrive film is more missinformation from the very elite it is talking out against!

Its a murky old world!

However i have no doubt that new technology is often suppressed by the military industrial complex due to their interests in the energy market, including the buying up of patents to stop new technology hitting the market place
 
This guy Keshe has been promising since 2009 to demonstrate his device but keeps on postponing. He is a scam artist. Here are the characteristics of a free energy scam here http://amasci.com/freenrg/fnrg.html .
Quoted below are the signs of a free energy scam Keshe meets all of them.

"Several legitimate free energy researchers do exist, but they don't spend huge amounts on advertising like the scammers do. You probably won't have heard of them. The people who pursue wide publicity are almost all scam artists. If someone is making large amounts of money from selling books and videos on free energy, be very suspicious. If someone is selling plans for "real" free-energy devices, they are a ripoff. Don't waste your money. Or if someone is selling "Dealer ships" or invest ment oppor tunities for a free energy corp, hold tight to your wallet and RUN! Or, if you've already let them get their hands on your money, ask to see proof of the FE device, and see what excuse you're given. (It will be a very convincing excuse. Scam artists don't act sneaky. Scam artists survive because they seem far MORE honest and honorable than a normal person.) Remember that the "con" in "con game" means "confidence." They win your confidence first, then they go after your money. How to tell the difference between a con game and a real product? Easy: if you give them money before receiving a working FE device, then it's a scam, always.

How can we tell a free energy scam from an honest FE researcher? Here are some symptoms of a scam:

The researcher wants your money. He wants people to invest, he wants subscribers for expensive newsletters, wants to sell "Dealer ships", he wants individuals to make large "donations." Or sometimes he wants to sell you extremely expensive plans which do not work... or to sell you all sorts of books and videos about devices which don't do anything real. In any scam, the WHOLE POINT is to separate the victims from their wallets. (If absolutely no money is involved, then the researcher might be legit... or the scam might be less obvious.) Some scammers say that they want to improve the world (etc.), but then they somehow always avoid doing this. They keep secrets, they run complex buisness deals... they do all sorts of things except the most obvious ones: sending out simple and obvious proof to everyone, and getting working FE devices out into the public by all possible methods.

You'll notice that the scammer uses deception. Now we all know that the "FE" field is similar to people selling maps to lost gold mines, or it's like the used car arena: honest dealers may exist, but they are rare. The majority of publicized FE companies are con-artists selling worthless junk to gullible people. For this reason, real FE researchers are careful to remain scruptiously honest. They bend over backwards to avoid misleading anyone even a little. They have deep habits of honesty, and they don't tell all those little lies which would be acceptable in other situations. So if you notice a researcher using even the smallest "politician ploy" or "marketing techniques," then you're almost certainly dealing with a con-man. If you point out these failings, they'll give sensible excuses. But the symptom is the lack of brutal bend-over-backwards honesty.

How can we tell? Just ask the F/E hobbyists. While most "skeptics" are hopelessly biased, and will dishonestly claim that ALL free-energy inventors are scammers, you can still ask the online F/E community. They'll quickly set you straight about who is a ripoff artist and who is a legit experimenter.

FE hobbyist's scam watch sites:

Magniwork scam, Magnets4Energy scam , "Tesla's Secret" scam
Bogus "FE plans" sites
"Energy saving" scams
Adsitt's Scam Watch
NuScam (Perreault)
'Green Scheme' scammers

The invention violates current laws of physics. Well, that's OK, since historical inventions often violate the physics theories of their time. But if many other listed symptoms are present as well, then it's a scam.

The invention is unproven. It has not yet splashed itself across news headlines worldwide. "NEW SOURCE OF ENERGY DISCOVERED IN USA!" Nope. Scams always involve unproven inventions. Unproven inventions might be real or might not. But scammers often hide behind this fuzzy status.

The inventor keeps the device secret. That, or their patent lacks some critical information and nobody can build a working copy based on the patent. (A small critical piece of info remains secret.)

The scammer usually has a good website. Make that a GREAT website. Well, actually their website looks like it was build by site-design experts who charge enormous fees. Wow, look at that thing, how could they afford to create such an expensive monstrous "online facade?" And that's it exactly: FACADE. The scammers spend all their resources making an airtight facade: a false front which looks trustworthy. Sometimes it looks far more trustworthy than any legit company's website. It certainly looks more trustworthy than the website of a legit inventor. REAL inventors' websites are crap, since they're made by the inventor (since inventors can't afford to pay anyone, and also, why pay for something that you can build yourself?)

It's NOT the company's number one goal to prove that the invention is real. The scam company seems to have no goal besides creating an aura of attractive secrets: secrets which will only be revealed to an in-group of "superior" blue-blooded investors, while we rabble on the outside are obviously inferior since we haven't invested and don't know the secrets. (It's the old "treasure map" trick, playing up your victims' self-importance.) Scamsters have all sorts of other tricks to appeal to snobbery or inflate the egos of investors. They also have many really sensible excuses for not proving that their discovery is real. But honest companies just sit down and prove their claims beyond any doubt BEFORE gathering investors. After all, its unethical to take investors' money for extremely questionable and totally unproven devices as if they were normal inventions developed by reliable companies.

The company performs public demonstrations... but something always goes wrong. If it's a scam, then the "failure" was planned all along. When the inventor starts a demonstration, watch for the "failure" which excuses the inventor from having to actually prove the device. Or more rarely, the demonstration is simple fraud, such as a hidden power supply, or something similar to water-to-gasoline chemistry demonstrations where the stirring spoon has a wax plug which melts and releases the gasoline from a hidden pocket.

The inventor doesn't publish successful scientific research papers (i.e. he doesn't publish detailed replication instructions,) or if he does, other researchers can't get them to work. Something vital wasn't included.

The inventor uses Grand Conspiracies or government supression as an excuse. Yes, actual suppression and small, non-grand conspiracies really do exist. Some inventors have genuine horror stories about these. But if it's ALWAYS "the conspiracy's fault" and the inventor cannot test the device or even show good evidence that it works, or can't make progress despite years of investments or "donations," can't reveal history of the work, can't reveal device details... if "The Conspiracy" is to blame, or if "The Oil Companies have made threats," then it's a scam.

You risk being labeled as a "Scoffer" or "Government Spy." Some scammers manipulate their audience using the following ploy: "If you're not fighting for me, then obviously you must be against me." The scammer won't let you remain undecided about their invention. Instead he pressures and manipulates you to become his supporter. In other words, if you dare to look for flaws, or dare insist on clear and simple evidence, and if you refuse to jump on the scammer's bandwagon, you'll be attacked by the scammer and his supporters. They'll try to smear you with labels: "Nasty Skeptic," "Oil Company Shill," "CIA infiltrator." Even worse, other undecided people will see this happen. Those others may leap on the bandwagon out of fear; to avoid being Accused Of Witchcraft as you were. (In some online communities, just one accusation of Skepticism will get you permanently banished, so it's no small thing.) If you see this ploy in use, then you're certainly dealing with a seasoned expert in con-artist tactics.

The inventor doesn't give out working copies of the invention to independent labs for testing (the hardware stays secret and untested.)

Oh, did I forget to mention that the invention remains secret? :) Secret, secret, secret! Secrecy equals scam, scam equals secrecy.

The inventor makes one statement, then contradicts himself later. This string of lies may not be obvious, but is revealed by comparing various statements. A classic version is "The idea was given to me by god" ...followed later by "I must keep the invention a secret so idea-theives can't steal it." (Hmmm. If god has gifted mankind with the secret of free energy, why is this guy keeping it hidden, and worse, trying to make money off it?!! Gifts from god are supposed to be CONTROLLED? And SOLD?!)

The inventor hasn't tried winning any of the FE device prizes. Back in the days of flying machines, the genuine inventors were all questing after the several major prizes. They didn't distain the prizes and make excuses for not competing. But scammers sure do!"
 
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I'm not convinced that it's a scam.

This is a new video, released today.
[video=youtube;UrN99RELqwo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrN99RELqwo[/video]
 
Regardless of what you say Keshe is a scam artist. His story is wrong on all counts. No proof has been provided of his technology. I would advice people not to buy anything from Keshe until he demonstrates or releases his technology. Otherwise it is only suckers like you who fall for Keshes story or then again maybe you are a member of the foundation the way you are selling this scam.
 
[MENTION=5875]Kumaran[/MENTION] did you create an account just to come here and discredit keshe info?

I'm not buying anything from this foundation just yet but I'm not convinced it is a scam.

I've spent some time with the information and it all seems absolutely plausible.
The claims are huge and the implications are mind boggling but that often comes with new technology.

It just seems silly that these guys would put so much effort into scamming the world just to sell a few books.
 
It just seems silly that these guys would put so much effort into scamming the world just to sell a few books.

Really? profit and money are not a good enough motivation to scam people? I thought that was the major reason.
 
No one with a scientific background would believe this pseudo-scientific nonsense, clearly it's a scam aimed at gullible, tin-foil hat wearing, scientific laymen... The reference page on the 'Foundation' website is glaringly lacking in any peer-reviewed material, or any material at all for that matter save for some useless text excerpts claimed to be from his book, for which (surprise, surprise...) there's a link to go purchase (also glaringly evident on this page was the 'donations' applet to the right). He makes wild claims on the 'New Horizons' page of having developed a new theory of matter which supercedes the standard model of particle physics and seemingly, to have developed a quantum theory of gravity based on this new hypothesis... all of this without quoting a single mathematical equation or (again) providing any references to published work.
 
So, even if this was all true, how would such a dramatic change happening so quickly affect the world? Supposedly they're just giving the technology to all the world scientists and governments on Sept 21st???
 
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@ myself Keshe has to demonstrate something. Then we can say he is real. All he is doing is pushing a few books and generators which don't exist. It is so obviously a scam and if you cant see it its your problem. But for me until I see proof with my own eyes I wont buy the books or the generators or anything Keshe sells and would advice others not to do so also.
 
Keshe is a scam. Simple as that. Once again he has postponed the release of the technologies and demonstration to December 2012. As far as I am concerned he is a confirmed scamster.
 
I thought we were going to be speaking about cereal.
I was a little surprised that grains could be taken so seriously (then again, monsanto...)
 
I am all about living by integrity. I've come to this group to find out the TRUTH of the Keshe material. That's all I want, and that's all ANYONE wants is to be told the truth, without an ulterior motive.

When watching this video, I noticed a megalomaniac-type behavior on several occasions. (i.e., signs that a person could be a pathological egotist).

One is when he barely showed the free energy 'holy grail' device inside of the white bucket, and then quickly saying, "No photographs", but then teasingly showing it partially again, to then quickly cover it back up for the rest of the talk, stating that the powers that be were not allowing him to demonstrate it.

And another sign of pathological egotism was when he said toward the end, "I REMAIN IN CONTROL, THEY DON'T", speaking of the nations and scientists that this intellectual information is supposedly to be disseminated to.

Some of the material that he shared was very insightful, such as the plasma/CO2 and making plastic out of thin air.

A spaceship repelling the Earth and attracting the planet Mars concept is interesting. Something like, 'gravity is a PUSH, and not a pull.' Though I cannot as yet wrap my brain around it.

Similar in the way we thought for many centuries that cold was a substance, when it is really just the absence of heat. That understanding gave birth to the Industrial Age in many ways.

WHISK! away you go to Mars in a bathyscaphe-type space ship, like something out of H.G. Wells' "First Men in the Moon". "One G" the entire time, so it's just like being on a plane flight, or driving your car, he says.

It sure sparks the childlike awe in me to think that this could actually be true! Something that will COMPLETELY remediate radioactivity, and placed at the core of Fukushima meltdown would save the day!

WHAT ARE WE WAITING FOR if this is all really true? What is this guy's track record?

Has he come forth with any working models?

Especially the one he speaks of that floats up, up and away?

Or are the date consistently postponed and rescheduled? (i.e. have the 'working models' been perpetually shrouded in a cloak of 'conspiracy' to shut him down and suppress his inventions?)

Anyone been able to look through the FLASH DRIVE download?

Anyone really know what the behind-the-scenes tell-tale signs of*whether or not he's legitimate?