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    As much as I'd love to claim him as one of my own, no, Jordan Peterson is all Ni all the way. He has this implicit trust in symbolism. Ne pulls from images in the form of Si, sure, but it doesn't think in symbols. Think of Si as experiences and senses photographed into your brain. You record what happened, and how you felt about what happened. But there is no pattern extraction or symbolism involved. It's just that, a recorded image.

    Everyone springboards from existing ideas. It's impossible not to, simply by being exposed to the world at all.

    The Fe/Ti conflict happens in everyone on the Fe/Ti axis who wants to convey an idea to an audience. If anything the active resisting to people please points to a slight nudge towards Fe over Ti. (You see this in its most extreme form in ENFJs, wanting to make an idea as accessible as possible while trying not to simplify/distort it too much. You see the complete opposite in INTPs, wanting to keep an idea as truthful as possible, while still trying to get the point across.)

    As for what you noticed in his tone of voice and enthusiasm faltering if there is no back and forth.. that too speaks to Fe, rather than Ne. An xNTP will get more and more enthusiastic the longer they ramble about their subjects of knowledge or interest.

    His accuracy actually leaves a bit to be desired. Hostarius summed it up quite nicely:
    This gives my Ti a nosebleed. In fact, this is the sort of thing that causes your average xNTP to take a step back, shut their mouth, re-evaluate, and possibly even throw out their entire framework.


    I'm still voting for ENFJ. He seems to use his Ni as a 'good parent' function, which is how the auxiliary is used; he 'instructs' others in the world of Ni. "This is how you should see it." That is unlike INFJs, who use Ni more as "This is how you can see it." The vision vs My vision.
    He even wrote a book called "12 rules for life". Pulling from Berens' Interaction Styles, that's as directing as it gets.
     
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    Life is a metaphor :smilingimp:
     
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    12 rules for metaphors? Sure, I'll read that. :D
     
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    That's a good point, actually. About Peterson having a vested interest in keeping some of his foundational views intact. However, this suggests that JP might well he aware that his epistemology is false, yet continue to act as if he believes in it. Which would be quite worrying regarding his intellectual integrity.

    In some of his videos he seems on the verge of tears speaking about interactions with people telling him his work has given them a reason to live, in a way that seemed pretty heartfelt. I think he is quite empathic, which is not to say an NTJ is not, but I find his empathy to be of an Fe nature, if that makes sense.

    Great post! I think you nailed it re Ni and Fe. As for Ti... your reaction to the idea of metaphorical truth makes me feel sooooo Ti-tertiary. I haven't explored it yet in Peterson's videos, but God do I love the idea :p
     
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    I actually meant to put the x in a different place xnfj. Oopsie :sweatsmile:
     
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    Ha, I see! Okay, all good then, we're on the same page :m024:
     
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    If all young men listened to Jordan Peterson, it would be a men-aissance.
     
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    When the alert told me that Pin had posted here I read it as "Jordan Pinerson" somehow lol

    Top lobster indeed Mr. ENTJ ;)
     
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    Right, here's one. We were discussing before about how Peterson's epistemology breaks down when he's confronted with the 'truth' of his own Christian belief.

    In this debate between Peterson and Sam Harris, chaired by Bret Weinstein, from 36:20, Weinstein asks Peterson a clarifying question about the Bible: is there anything unambiguously unethical, from a modern point of view, said in the bible, which starts Peterson off on his epistemological rabbit hole. He's even forced to draw on the hermeneutics of post-modernism to defend his position. Quite fascinating to watch his worldview in crisis in real time, and to witness how he attempts to reintegrate his own cognitive dissonance.



    P.S. Sorry about not putting a time link there, I'm on my phone and haven't figured out how to do it.

    P.P.S. The distinction between literal and metaphorical truth from about 1:02:00
     
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    If all Rens listened to Jordan Peterson, it would be a Renaissance

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    Don't worry, I've never figured out how to do that either :grin:

    Exciting stuff, I'll be watching that later, for sure. I am always hunting for live breakdowns of epistemologies.
     
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    It's clear to me that Harris won that one and Peterson came across as a sophist.

    I just don't understand why Peterson can't just acknowledge his cognitive dissonances and say that he's an agnostic, which is clearly what he is.
     
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    Because Christianity by nature requires faith and you can't use faith as a valid argument for anything really.
    Everyone is actually an agnostic because the answer is not provable, which is the point/catch22.
    I think they are both men of deep faith (or desperately want it), fighting for their lives in an attempt to justify the unjustifiable.
     
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    Peterson: fucking Sensors ruined everything fam
     
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    As I said to myself just now while pushing through a parade of utter twats at 10pm in my university town.

    Also me: Stop hating these kids, you dick, they're just having fun.

    Other Me: Er, that lad just kicked a football at a 400 year-old window... What's your point?
     
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    I always found JP as a very intuitive ISTJ(as weird as that sounds lol).
     
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    I appreciate the advice he gives to men.
     
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