They should be able to practise whatever they wish because we live in free societies that set a vital example to lesser nations. They should simply not blow people up to prove a religious point and bully people into submission. Organized religion backed by the threat of totalitarianism is the culprit.
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They should be able to practise whatever they wish because we live in free societies that set a vital example to lesser nations. They should simply not blow people up to prove a religious point and bully people into submission. Organized religion backed by the threat of totalitarianism is the culprit.
Jail/gaol isn't exactly modeled on free society. I object to halal meals being provided to terrorists.
As I already said. Our free nations need to continue to set examples, one of which includes the absolute necessity to universally condemn torture. We need to pay great attention to the Geneva Convention here, folks, as this was an act of war by an organized group of murderers that has perpetually declared war on Western (and free) civilization.
I agree entirely, especially in regards to full condemnation of torture. Otherwise we are no better than any criminal.
[MENTION=14199]brightmoon[/MENTION] How should people who do not respect basic human rights be dealt with? Apply that to islam.
If human rights are treated as a dogma of relativism, the fundamentalists always win, because their intolerance is religiously/blindly tolrated.
If human rights are treated as an imperative, contradicting doctrines/beliefs must be reformed, or abandoned. Ie. Islam cannot continue as it is, if human rights are insisted upon. That unreformed version of mohammadism can be relegated to nations outside the UN and outside global trade.
If human rights are treated as a dogma of relativism, the fundamentalists always win, because their intolerance is religiously/blindly tolrated.
If human rights are treated as an imperative, contradicting doctrines/beliefs must be reformed, or abandoned. Ie. Islam cannot continue as it is, if human rights are insisted upon. That unreformed version of mohammadism can be relegated to nations outside the UN and outside global trade.
No not a Trump supporter (I am a Canadian, a foreigner, who doesn't get a vote BTW). I don't advocate torture, committing war crimes, or other actions that undermine or destroy our values, the things we are actually fighting for. I also don't advocate fighting against all Muslims.
[MENTION=862]Flavus Aquila[/MENTION] You seem to have a narrow of Muslims I don't think that the religion is incompatible with human rights, just this terrorist ideology. Those two aren't the same thing.
Perhaps, simply requiring muslims to publicly repudiate jihad would sort the wheat from the chaff.
I don't see how this would help. Terrorists epitomize ends justify means/break some eggs to make an omelette mentality, so I am sure any potential terrorists would have no problem lying, while the other Muslims would just feel degraded/embarrassed to be forced to make these public declarations.
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Jihad means to struggle, to persevere, to apply yourself. There is no generally accepted definition for what the term actually means. Throughout Muslim history it has been applied to justify wars similar to the Christian concept of a "just war". Remember actual Christian pacifists represent a tiny minority of the Christian faithful. Its how jihad is interpreted that is the problem.
I suppose that is probably the case. One imagines suicide bombers to be so zealous about their religion, that they would never repudiate jihad. The reality is probably that they are more violent than religious; at least that's the narrative in the media after previous incidents.
As for the rest of muslims, there has to be some sort of reckoning with the fact that jihad is one of the "five pillars of islam." How this is addressed with sensitivity is probably a very prickly issue, most would rather not deal with.
What do pacifists have to do with this? You could say interpretation is a potential problem with any ideology, law or rule. It's just apparent that some ideologies are having more problems than others right now with regards to how they are interpreted.
Jihad is sometimes referred to as the sixth pillar of Islam, though it occupies no such official status.
As important as jihad was, it was/is not considered one of the "pillars of Islam". According to one scholar (Majid Khadduri, this is most likely because unlike the pillars of prayer, fasting, etc., jihad was a "collective obligation" of the whole Muslim community," (meaning that "if the duty is fulfilled by a part of the community it ceases to be obligatory on others"), and was to be carried out by the Islamic state.[55] This was the belief of "all jurists, with almost no exception", but did not apply to defense of the Muslim community from a sudden attack, in which case jihad was and "individual obligation" of all believers, including women and children.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad
As important as jihad was, it was/is not considered one of the "pillars of Islam". According to one scholar (Majid Khadduri, this is most likely because unlike the pillars of prayer, fasting, etc., jihad was a "collective obligation" of the whole Muslim community," (meaning that "if the duty is fulfilled by a part of the community it ceases to be obligatory on others"), and was to be carried out by the Islamic state.[55] This was the belief of "all jurists, with almost no exception", but did not apply to defense of the Muslim community from a sudden attack, in which case jihad was and "individual obligation" of all believers, including women and children.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad
[MENTION=13730]PintoBean[/MENTION] I said that merely to reinforce that there is nothing inherent in the Muslim religion that promotes violence, as has been suggested
A public repudiation of VIOLENT jihad, differentiated from "diligence" could come in the exclusive affirmation of the latter, by group consensus.
That's how such repudiations are made in other religions like Christianity.
These are the concrete steps in the reformation of religions. Islam has not had a major reformation; the time seems to be at hand.
It always helps when respected members/leaders of any group make public statements to encourage non-violence on the part of other group members.