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With the arabic letter for N, meaning Nazarene, they are compelled to mark themselves, their properties, their businesses out and to pay special taxes, how is this not simply the same as what happened to Jews during the rise of Hitler?
 
Umm...they're doing a lot worse than that.
 
I think given the chance many religions would do the same. Christians and Catholics of the past did worst until people got tired of it and put a stop to it. Either way isis should be wiped from the face of the earth as the contribute nothing good to humanity.
 
I think given the chance many religions would do the same. Christians and Catholics of the past did worst until people got tired of it and put a stop to it. Either way isis should be wiped from the face of the earth as the contribute nothing good to humanity.

Christians and Catholics are the reason you can criticise Christians and Catholics today.
 
That's quite a strange thought process. Many Muslim extremists deny that ever happened, anyway.
 
That's quite a strange thought process. Many Muslim extremists deny that ever happened, anyway.

The freedom upon which most anti-christian and anti-catholics rely in order to carry on their campaigns is an undisputable legacy of both Christianity and Catholicism, its the same as most of the harshest critics of feminism dont even realise that they are using the language and concepts innovated by feminists themselves in order to do so.

It wouldnt surprise me that muslim extremists would deny that something which could prove a possible rallying point against they themselves. You dont even have to be particularly strategically minded to respond that way to developments.
 
Umm...they're doing a lot worse than that.

That's true and my original post is in no way intended as a distraction from their crimes.

I did think it'd be a good way to discuss the difference between first world and third world Christianity, what is demanded of the followers of each.
 
History against today as a means to forgive one's actions?
 
History against today as a means to forgive one's actions?

I am afraid I can not respond until you elaborate upon your point.
 
That could be a good thing, n'est pas?

It may keep us from arguing...
 
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Ok so can someone please tell me why ISIS...a bunch of 'islamic extremists' keep getting hold of cutting edge US technology and weapons?

Also can you please explain to me why a bunch of muslim extremists have not attacked Israel?

Surely that would be target number 1?
 
Christians and Catholics are the reason you can criticise Christians and Catholics today.
Unfortunately I cant disprove your statement but not for the reason you might suspect. I was born...where as I might not have been born because of events that happened through history. To include a butterfly flapping its wings at the dawn of time. So because certain events played out as they did...you can say they had an effect on my eventual existence. However to suggest their "ideals" helped foster anything good in this life is a far far stretch of the truth and imagination.
 
Unfortunately I cant disprove your statement but not for the reason you might suspect. I was born...where as I might not have been born because of events that happened through history. To include a butterfly flapping its wings at the dawn of time. So because certain events played out as they did...you can say they had an effect on my eventual existence. However to suggest their "ideals" helped foster anything good in this life is a far far stretch of the truth and imagination.

Alright man, I'll link in with you when you're not posting all garbbled alright, get your thinking straightened out and we can talk then. Happy that you want to post though, good for you :)
 
Alright man, I'll link in with you when you're not posting all garbbled alright, get your thinking straightened out and we can talk then. Happy that you want to post though, good for you :)
Ha ha ha. Well you posted in a way that suggested you wanted some insight but yeah...im still a little pissed off at the crusades.
 
Ha ha ha. Well you posted in a way that suggested you wanted some insight but yeah...im still a little pissed off at the crusades.

I think the crusades were defensible in the context, probably more than some of the more recent military industrial expeditions globally, would you consider reading some more about it or how did you arrive at this conclusion?
 
Ok so can someone please tell me why ISIS...a bunch of 'islamic extremists' keep getting hold of cutting edge US technology and weapons?

Also can you please explain to me why a bunch of muslim extremists have not attacked Israel?

Surely that would be target number 1?

Obama's greatest achievement was pulling the military out of Iraq. We trained and equipped many people there to sustain their statehood, leaving them with the means to do so. The rockets from Gaza are the same as Ukraine: smoke bombs to get everyone's attention; hey, look at this. Interim, those fighting in Syria blasted across Iraq while everyone was consumed with other things. Their goal? To do what Bin Laden and Zawahiri was trying to do: revive the Ottoman Empire. Caliphate or whatever, they are mass murdering people and kidnapping women. Sound like the CIA? Have you ever got it wrong. The militant wings of Islam are trying to take over the Middle East.

Why confront Israel when you can have a cakewalk through Iraq while Obama watches? He may even be cheering them on. He drops a couple of bombs and sends a little aid to make it appear he is doing something. He's at Martha's Vineyard on vacation. The troops were pulled too early. What if these guys are mixed with trained Russian troops? Seen that before, have we not?

Israel is fighting with hands tied by civilians, while Syria and Iraq's civilians are being slaughtered. Obama is either part of this(not with the best interests of the US or the world), or he is ignorant. It is not our government.
 
Obama's greatest achievement was pulling the military out of Iraq.

Obama didn't do that...Obama is a puppet

He makes the moves he is told to make. if he doesn't do that he will be shot in the head

We trained and equipped many people there to sustain their statehood, leaving them with the means to do so.

No the US did not do that. The US has largely destroyed the infrastructure of Iraq. Iraq had high levels of literacy and was a stable nationalist country before the US got involved in it. Now it flows with rivers of blood

Iraq became a price 'hawk' which is to mean that it wanted a good price from the west for its oil. It wanted to trade oil in euros instead of dollar so the US trumped up charges against it and invaded it

The rockets from Gaza are the same as Ukraine: smoke bombs to get everyone's attention; hey, look at this.

No the bombs being dropped in palestine come from the zionists in the US as do the bombs in ukraine, the bombs dropped in afghanistan, iraq, yemen and pakisthan. the zionists export bombs all around the world....thats what they do....they're death dealers. they are also the biggest traders in human organ trafficking with israel as the world centre for the trafficking of human organs. They literally profit from death both by causing it and from the result. israel even went into Haiti to harvest organs

Death dealers and ghouls

Interim, those fighting in Syria blasted across Iraq while everyone was consumed with other things. Their goal? To do what Bin Laden and Zawahiri was trying to do: revive the Ottoman Empire. Caliphate or whatever, they are mass murdering people and kidnapping women. Sound like the CIA? Have you ever got it wrong. The militant wings of Islam are trying to take over the Middle East.

The CIA are simply a layer in the pyramid.

Its the people at the top of the pyramid who control ISIS. They fund ISIS, they control the CIA, they did the fast and furious gun running scandal, they destroy gaza, they split the muslim world into fighting factions, they corrupt the christian world with cultural marxism, they want to expand Israe, they want to create a clash of civilisations in the middle east etc etc

They are agents of chaos....ordo ab chaos.....33 rd degree of freemasonry= order from the chaos

Why confront Israel when you can have a cakewalk through Iraq while Obama watches. He may even be cheering them on. He drops a couple of bombs and sends a little aid to make it appear he is doing something. He's at Martha's Vineyard on vacation. The troops were pulled too early. What if these guys are mixed with trained Russian troops? Seen that before, have we not?

The Russians are doing business with the Iranians. The Iranians are allied to Syria. The zionists are trying to topple syria and isolate Iran and Russia. They want to destroy nationalist countries like Iraq and Libya. They are using ISIS to do that.

The russians are against ISIS. The US is controlled by the zionists who are controlling ISIS

Obama is a puppet...thats why he's splashing in the ocean and playing golf on holiday....because he is a puppet. He is not in charge.....he is simply put there to give you the impression that YOU as an american citizen have a representative in power when you don't

Israel is fighting with hands tied by civilians, while Syria and Iraq's civilians are being slaughtered.

Israel is controlled by the zionists who control ISIS

The zionists want Iraq divided and fragmented and they want syria destroyed

Obama is either part of this(not with the best interests of the US or the world), or he is ignorant. It is not our government.

Your government is controlled by the shadow government (zionists)

Obama is their puppet
 
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/08/08/washington-threatens-world-paul-craig-roberts/

Dr. Paul Craig Roberts
was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal. He was columnist for Business Week, Scripps Howard News Service, and Creators Syndicate. He has had many university appointments. His internet columns have attracted a worldwide following. Roberts' latest books are The Failure of Laissez Faire Capitalism and Economic Dissolution of the West and How America Was Lost.

Washington Threatens The World — Paul Craig Roberts


The consequence of Washington’s reckless and irresponsible political and military interventions in Iraq, Libya, and Syria has been to unleash evil. The various sects that lived in peace under the rule of Saddam Hussein, Gaddafi, and Assad are butchering one another, and a new group, ISIS, is in the process of creating a new state out of parts of Iraq and Syria.
The turmoil brought into the Middle East by the Bush and Obama regimes has meant death and displacement for millions and untold future deaths. As I write 40,000 Iraqis are stranded on a mountain top without water awaiting death at the hands of ISIS, a creation of US meddling.

The reality in the Middle East stands in vast contradiction to the stage managed landing of George W. Bush on the US aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln where Bush declared “Mission Accomplished” on May 1, 2003. The mission that Washington accomplished was to wreck the Middle East and the lives of millions of people and to destroy America’s reputation in the process. Thanks to the demonic neoconservative Bush regime, today America is regarded by the rest of the world as the greatest threat to world peace.
The Clinton regime’s attack on Serbia set the pattern. Bush upped the ante with Washington’s naked aggression against Afghanistan, which Washington clothed in Orwellian language–”Operation Enduring Freedom.”

Washington brought ruin, not freedom, to Afghanistan. After 13 years of blowing up the country, Washington is now withdrawing, the “superpower” having been defeated by a few thousand lightly armed Taliban, but leaving a wasteland behind for which Washington will accept no responsibility.

Another source of endless Middle East turmoil is Israel whose theft of Palestine isWashington-enabled. In the middle of Israel’s latest attack on civilians in Gaza, the US Congress passed resolutions in support of Israel’s war crimes and voted hundreds of millions of dollars to pay for Israel’s ammunition. Here we witness Great Moral America 100 percent in support of unambiguous war crimes against essentially defenseless people.

When Israel murders women and children, Washington calls it “Israel’s right to defend their own country”–a country that Israel stole from Palestinians–but when Palestinians retaliate Washington calls it “terrorism.” By supporting Israel, declared to be a terrorist state by a few moral governments that still exist, and accused of war crimes by the UN General Secretary, Washington is in violation of its own laws against supporting terrorist states.

Of course, Washington itself is the leading terrorist state. Therefore, it is illegal under US law for Washington to support itself. Washington, however, does not accept law, neither domestic nor international, as a constraint on its actions. Washington is “exceptional, indispensable.” No one else counts. No law, no Constitution, and no humane consideration has authority to constrain Washington’s will. In its claims Washington surpasses those of the Third Reich.

As horrific as Washington’s recklessness toward the Middle East is, Washington’s recklessness toward Russia is many orders of magnitude greater. Washington has convinced nuclear armed Russia that Washington is planning a nuclear first strike.
In response Russia is beefing up its nuclear forces and testing US air defense reactions. http://freebeacon.com/national-secu...-than-16-incursions-of-u-s-air-defense-zones/

It is difficult to imagine a more irresponsible act than to convince Russia that Washington intends to hit Russia with a preemptive first strike. One of Putin’s advisers has explained to the Russian media Washington’s first strike intentions, and a member of the Russian Duma has made a documented presentation of Washington’s first strike intentions. http://financearmageddon.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/official-warning-u-s-to-hit-russia-with.html By marshaling the evidence, I have pointed out in my columns that it is impossible for Russia to avoid this conclusion.

China is aware that China faces the same threat from Washington. http://yalejournal.org/2013/06/12/who-authorized-preparations-for-war-with-china/ China’s response to Washington’s war plans against China was to demonstrate how China’s nuclear forces would be used in response to Washington’s attack on China to destroy the US. China made this public, hoping to create opposition among Americans to Washington’s war plans against China. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ng-nuclear-warheads-cities-United-States.html Like Russia, China is a rising country that does not need war in order to succeed.

The only country on earth that needs war is Washington, and that is because Washington’s goal is the neoconservative one of exercising hegemony over the world.

Prior to the Bush and Obama regimes, every previous US president went to great efforts to avoid telegraphing any nuclear threat. US war doctrine was careful to keep nuclear weapons limited to retaliation in the event the US suffered a nuclear attack. The purpose of nuclear forces was to prevent the use of such weapons. The reckless George W. Bush regime elevated nuclear weapons to preemptive first use, thus destroying the constraint placed on the use of nuclear weapons.

The overriding purpose of the Reagan administration was to end the cold war and, thereby, the threat of nuclear war. The George W. Bush regime, together with the Obama regime’s demonization of Russia, have overturned President Reagan’s unique achievement and made nuclear war likely.

When the incompetent Obama regime decided to overthrow the democratically elected government in Ukraine and install a puppet government of Washington’s choosing, the Obama State Department, run by neoconservative ideologues, forgot that the eastern and southern portions of Ukraine consist of former Russian provinces that were attached to the Ukraine Soviet Socialist Republic by Communist Party leaders when Ukraine and Russia were part of the same country–the Soviet Union. When the Russophobic stooges that Washington installed in Kiev demonstrated in word and deed their hostility to Ukraine’s Russian population, the former Russian provinces declared their desire to return to mother Russia. This is not surprising, nor is it something that can be blamed on Russia.
Crimea succeeded in returning to Russia, where Crimea resided since the 1700s, but Putin, hoping to defuse the propaganda war that Washington was mounting against him did not accept the pleas from the other former Russian provinces. Consequently, Washington’s stooges in Kiev felt free to attack the protesting provinces and have been following the Israeli policy of attacking civilian populations, civilian residences, and civilian infrastructure.

The presstitute Western media ignored the facts and accused Russia of invading and annexing parts of Ukraine. This lie is comparable to the lies that US Secretary of State Colin Powell told the UN about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction in behalf of the criminal Bush regime, lies that Colin Powell later apologized for to no avail as Iraq had been destroyed by his lies.

When the Malaysian airliner was destroyed, before any facts were known Russia was blamed. The British media was especially primed to blame Russia almost the instant it was known the airliner was downed. I heard the BBC’s gross misrepresentation and blatant lies on American National Public Radio, and only the Daily Mail’s propagandistic account was worse. The entire “news” event has the appearance of orchestration prior to the event, which, of course, suggests that Washington was behind it.

The airliner deaths became all important for Washington’s propaganda war. The 290 casualties are unfortunate, but they are a small fraction of the deaths that Israel was inflicting on Palestinians at the same moment without provoking any protests from Western governments, as distinct from Western peoples in the streets, people whose protests were conveniently suppressed for Israel by Western security forces.

Washington used the downing of the airliner, which probably was Washington’s responsibility, as an excuse for another round of sanctions and to pressure its European puppets to join the sanctions with sanctions of their own, which Washington’s EU puppets did.

Washington relies on accusations and insinuations and refuses to release the evidence from the satellite photos, because the photos do not support Washington’s lies. Facts are not permitted to interfere with Washington’s demonization of Russia any more than facts interfered with Washington’s demonization of Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Iran.

Twenty-two reckless and irresponsible US senators have introduced the “Russian Aggression Prevention Act of 2014,” US Senate bill 2277, sponsored by Senator Bob Corker, who well represents in his ignorance and stupidity what appears to be the majority of the American population or the majority of voters in the state of Tennessee. Corker’s bill is a mindless piece of legislation designed to start a war that would be likely to leave no survivors. Apparently, idiotic Americans will elect any fool to power.

The belief that Russia is responsible for the downed Malaysian airliner has become fact in Western capitals despite the total absence of even a tiny scrap of evidence in behalf of the claim. Moreover, even it the accusation were true, is one airliner worth a World War?

The UK Defense Committee has concluded that a broke and militarily impotent UK must “focus on the defense of Europe against Russia.” The military spending drums, if not the war drums, are beating and the entire West has joined in. A militarily impotent Britain is going to defend Europe from a non-existent, although much proclaimed, attack from the Russian bear.

US and NATO military dignitaries and the Pentagon chief are issuing Russia Threat Warnings based on alleged but non-existent Russian troop-buildups on Ukraine’s border. According to the the Western Ministry of Propaganda if Russia defends the Russian populations in Ukraine from military attack from Washington’s stooge government in Kiev, it is proof that Russia is the villain.
Washington’s propaganda campaign has succeeded in turning Russia into a threat. Polls show that 69 percent of Americans now regard Russia as a threat, and that the confidence of Russians in American leadership has vanished.

Russians and their government observe the identical demonization of their country and their leader as they observed of Iraq and Saddam Hussein, of Libya and Gaddafi, of Syria and Assad, and of Afghanistan and the Taliban just prior to military assaults on these countries by the West. For a Russian, the safest conclusion from the evidence is that Washington intends war on Russia.
It is my opinion that the irresponsibility and recklessness of the Obama regime is without precedent. Never before has the United States government or the government of any nuclear power gone to such great efforts to convince another nuclear power that that power was being set up for attack. It is difficult to imagine a more provocative act that more endangers life on earth. Indeed, the White House Fool has doubled up, convincing both Russia and China that Washington is planning a preemptive first strike on both.

Republicans want to sue or to impeach Obama over relatively inconsequential issues, such as ObamaCare. Why don’t Republicans want to impeach Obama over such a critical issue as subjecting the world to the risk of nuclear armageddon?
The answer is that the Republicans are as crazed as the Democrats. Their leaders, such as John McCain and Lindsay Graham, are determined that “we stand up to the Russians!” Wherever one looks in American politics one sees crazed people, psychopaths and sociopaths who should not be in political office.

Washington long ago gave up diplomacy. Washington relies on force and intimidation. The US government is utterly devoid of judgment. This is why polls show that the rest of the world regards the US government as the greatest threat to world peace. Today
(August 8, 2014) Handelsblatt, Germany’s Wall Street Journal, wrote in a signed editorial by the publisher:
“The American tendency to move from verbal escalation to military escalation–the isolation, demonization, and attacking of enemies–has not proven effective. The last successful major military action the US conducted was the Normandy landing [in 1944]. Everything else – Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan – was a clear failure. Moving NATO units towards the Polish border with Russia and thinking about arming Ukraine is a continuation of relying on military means in the absence of diplomacy.”
Washington’s puppet states–all of Europe, Japan, Canada, and Australia–enable Washington’s unrivaled danger to the world by their support of Washington’s agenda of exercising hegemony over the entire world.

The 100th anniversary of World War I is upon us. And the folly that caused this war is being repeated. WWI destroyed a civilized Western world, and it was the work of a mere handful of scheming people. The result was Lenin, the Soviet Union, Hitler, the rise of American Imperialism, Korea, Vietnam, the military interventions that created ISIS, and now resurrected conflict between Washington and Russia that President Reagan and Mikhail Gorbachev had ended.

As Stephen Starr has pointed out on my website, if merely 10% of the nuclear weapons in the US and Russian arsenals are used, life on earth terminates.

Dear readers, ask yourselves, when has Washington told you anything that was not a lie? Washington’s lies have caused millions of casualties. Do you want to be a casualty of Washington’s lies?

Do you believe that Washington’s lies and propaganda about the Malaysian airliner and Ukraine are worth risking life on earth? Who is so gullible that he cannot recognize that Washington’s lies about Ukraine are like Washington’s lies about Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction, Iranian nukes, and Assad’s use of chemical weapons?

Do you think that the neoconservative influence that prevails in Washington, regardless of the political party in office, is too dangerous to be tolerated?
 
Obama's greatest achievement was pulling the military out of Iraq. We trained and equipped many people there to sustain their statehood, leaving them with the means to do so. The rockets from Gaza are the same as Ukraine: smoke bombs to get everyone's attention; hey, look at this. Interim, those fighting in Syria blasted across Iraq while everyone was consumed with other things. Their goal? To do what Bin Laden and Zawahiri was trying to do: revive the Ottoman Empire. Caliphate or whatever, they are mass murdering people and kidnapping women. Sound like the CIA? Have you ever got it wrong. The militant wings of Islam are trying to take over the Middle East.

Why confront Israel when you can have a cakewalk through Iraq while Obama watches? He may even be cheering them on. He drops a couple of bombs and sends a little aid to make it appear he is doing something. He's at Martha's Vineyard on vacation. The troops were pulled too early. What if these guys are mixed with trained Russian troops? Seen that before, have we not?

Israel is fighting with hands tied by civilians, while Syria and Iraq's civilians are being slaughtered. Obama is either part of this(not with the best interests of the US or the world), or he is ignorant. It is not our government.
Hmmmm….almost.
While I may disagree with you as to what the intentions of ISIL (which is what their actual name is - The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant) are…I disagree that we had much of a choice to remain in the country.
The deal was done by Bush and Cheney (not Obama) much to the demands of the US to stay longer…Iraq didn’t want that…they wanted us out.
And so we left…according to the signed agreement.
I think we will let ISIL destroy some really expensive shit…like hydroelectric dams, or oil refineries….just enough to get them back on our leash, then we will step in and bomb the shit out of ISIL effectively nullifying it.
That’s just my prediction.
 
Hmmmm….almost.
While I may disagree with you as to what the intentions of ISIL (which is what their actual name is - The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant) are…I disagree that we had much of a choice to remain in the country.
The deal was done by Bush and Cheney (not Obama) much to the demands of the US to stay longer…Iraq didn’t want that…they wanted us out.
And so we left…according to the signed agreement.
I think we will let ISIL destroy some really expensive shit…like hydroelectric dams, or oil refineries….just enough to get them back on our leash, then we will step in and bomb the shit out of ISIL effectively nullifying it.
That’s just my prediction.

I suspect that the terror and violence that the Israelis are mounting against Gaza could be as much to impress ISIS or Iran as effect the situation in Palestine, I'm pretty sure that they are trying to impress upon possible future opposition that they're a power to be reckoned with still.

Sure ISIS picking off soft targets and civilians right now but they will get bold and the Iranians might do something crazy if they felt that the middle east's shi'te power was entering an end game.