INFJ turning into INTJ?

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I know that I was born in INFJ.I'm a painter and so talented in art(music,painting and most of arts).and I was so emotional and sensitive.
but little by little I found that it's hard to remain infj in this world. so I tried to be more logical and change my personality.
I could feel that I've become more extrovert and thinking. and now I see that I am known as a logical girl.
I did MeyersMyers-Briggs test twice (about 2 years ago) and I was become infj
now I did it again and now I'm intj
is it correct?and do I have been changed DEEPLY ?

and by this way,can I become a real extrovert?(while I'm more extrovert than before)

can deep and real change happen? or it's just a cover and the real me will come back again?

**I'm still talented in art
 
I've read that many INFJs eventually morph into an INTJ, as they mature. It's not entirely uncommon. I, myself, will probably get to that point later in life. I'm borderline as it is.
 
Actually, Jung himself said that the types are not static.
 
Infjs can often mimic intj behavior when we want to shut our emotion off, and give robotic responses, and I say this with great admiration, because I love intjs. They are cousin types, but there are key differences, even if you just simplify it to how they view, approach, and enjoy sexual intercourse. It means something completely different to each type. For intjs sex is sex. For infjs sex is either love or a spiritual connection, though there are exceptions to the rule.

Infjs are all about hidden meaning, whereas intjs like to have things laid out for them in a simplistic manner, so that they don't have to interpret, or misinterpret signs, and signals. Intjs strive for competency, and have very linear, objective thought processing, whereas infjs have a completely abstract, subjective line of thinking that can be undecipherable, at times. Infjs need every task, big or small, to have a deep meaning for them personally, and for the betterment of humanity, for them to feel content in participating.

Also, if you consider the differing cognitive processes, intjs use Fi, and Te. An infj would almost NEVER speak before carefully considering what they wish to say, and every possible implication, and outcome they can conceive of. As an infj I can barely understand Te and Fi, and they drive me crazy, because they are so "against my nature," and I just don't know why you would choose to use them, lol. Why, why, WHY!? :)
 
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I donno and I dont really care about the name of the type.I think it's more important that now I can be both infj/intj . so I've expanded my abilities.who care about how I introduce myself?infj or intj ?!
I respond and reaction like an intj.I dont care about feeling and my decisions are not based on my feeling.it's usually logical. but the same time I still can understand the real face of people,the hidden meaning .I can still paint in abstract!!
so I'm more happy with it. I think we should creat another types.. most of us are between thinking and feeling..and introvert and extrovert.so there should be somewhere for us!
 
purplecrayons said:
........... As an infj I can barely understand Te and Fi, and they drive me crazy, because they are so "against my nature," and I just don't know why you would choose to use them, lol. Why, why, WHY!? :)
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oh the first time I knew I'm infj I was so surprised..but it's a fact that being an extrovert thinking is the easiest type to live and the feeling introvert is the hardest.
we cant deny this fact
 
An important point of context.

Jung originally typed the tertiary function for INFJs - Ti as Te.

Why? Because the third function is increasingly expressed the older you get, but you don't care for some aspects of the opposite attitude.

My 30 year old INFJ lodger is the queen of voicing Ti. Conversely I'm a king of voicing Fi.
 
dewdrop said:
oh the first time I knew I'm infj I was so surprised..but it's a fact that being an extrovert thinking is the easiest type to live and the feeling introvert is the hardest.
we cant deny this fact
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I hardly ever use Te, and not consciously, so I couldn't weigh in on how easy it is to live. I doubt infps or intjs would say it's easiest to live life from their perspective, though. I'm also of the opinion that life is easier as an introvert, because we seem to be capable of being more independent, entertaining ourselves, rarely fight boredom, and don't need other people as our energy source.
 
I would think INFJ would shift to INTP if it is an increase in the use of your tertiary.

Otherwise, you might just utilize thinking and feeling functions with near equality, and the result is that, when the situation demands it, you switch over. We all have all of the personality types because we have all the functions. Your type is just whichever one you prefer to manifest most.


subwayrider said:
I've read that many INFJs eventually morph into an INTJ, as they mature. It's not entirely uncommon. I, myself, will probably get to that point later in life. I'm borderline as it is.
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Where did you see this? Do you remember?
 
[MENTION=834]Dragon[/MENTION]

mmm well I used to go on INTJf a lot, and a lot of them talked about being INFJs earlier in life i.e. late childhood, early adolescence.
Some of them mentioned they gradually became "more cynical." I can see that. Not really thinking about the functions and how they fit into all this, though. INTJs and INFJs still share the primary, and the inferior, so it wouldn't be that much a stretch.
 
subwayrider said:
@Dragon

mmm well I used to go on INTJf a lot, and a lot of them talked about being INFJs earlier in life i.e. late childhood, early adolescence.
Some of them mentioned they gradually became "more cynical." I can see that. Not really thinking about the functions and how they fit into all this, though. INTJs and INFJs still share the primary, and the inferior, so it wouldn't be that much a stretch.
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Well I don't think that becoming more cynical makes you INTJ. I am about as cynical as a person can be, but I'm still a naive INFJ. I'm trying to think through this in regard to the functions, and it does seem a stretch to me. There is a fundamental difference in the way INFJs and INTJs judge the world. If I understand the distinction correctly, INTJs understand the world logically and judge it according to their preferences (Te > Fi); whereas, INFJs understand the world emotionally and judge it according to their logic (for better or worse, Fe > Ti). Basically, INFJs tend to throw feelings and context into the equation while INTJs tend to remove them from the equation.
 
[MENTION=834]Dragon[/MENTION]

My understanding of it is that INFJs understand the world according to, not precisely, feelings, but their moral values-- that I suppose stem from their feelings. Emotions do tie in there, but I don't think it would be entirely accurate to say they judge the world according to their emotions.
So, it was...

INFJs: Fe > Ti
INTJs: Te > Fi

My take is that all one would have to do is to begin to value logic systems more than value systems. Still, I might be wrong, I don't really know what I'm talking about. I don't know enough about the functions to make a strong argument, this is just my opinion right now.
 
subwayrider said:
@Dragon

My understanding of it is that INFJs understand the world according to, not precisely, feelings, but their moral values-- that I suppose stem from their feelings. Emotions do tie in there, but I don't think it would be entirely accurate to say they judge the world according to their emotions.
So, it was...

INFJs: Fe > Ti
INTJs: Te > Fi

My take is that all one would have to do is to begin to value logic systems more than value systems. Still, I might be wrong, I don't really know what I'm talking about. I don't know enough about the functions to make a strong argument, this is just my opinion right now.
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No, understand in terms of emotions, judge with logic, hence moralizing. INTJs tend away from moralizing, or depending on your perspective, they moralize in a different direction. INTJs tend to prefer autonomy; INFJs tend to prefer social welfare or even socialism.
 
[MENTION=834]Dragon[/MENTION]

Like I said, I don't know enough about the functions to formulate a strong argument. All this MBTI and Jung business makes my head hurt, the more I read into it, honestly. In my opinion, it's not elaborate enough to account for all the changes people go through in their lives, and where they might find themselves at one point compared to another. Still a very useful tool for learning about oneself, though, if it's taken with only just enough authority.

I did do a little research. You might find it interesting:

http://intjforum.com/archive/index.php/t-27471.html

http://intjforum.com/showthread.php?t=57773

It seems it's a topic of much debate.
 
I've thought this at times too. May you have swung the pendulum to being a J but I tend to think that perhaps you are just becoming more balanced as an INFJ. For a time I went from basing mostly all my decisions on my feelings to making mostly all my decisions based on logic and reason. Now, it can depend on the circumstance, but I've reached a pretty good balance between the two. I am a musician and I realized the change influenced my music as well. I don't just compose when I feel like it, but because I think I ought to. I am less sporadic than I used to be.
Do you not like being an INFJ?
 
subwayrider said:
I've read that many INFJs eventually morph into an INTJ, as they mature. It's not entirely uncommon. I, myself, will probably get to that point later in life. I'm borderline as it is.
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I actually find as I get older I get deeper into INFJ with the F going off the scale. .
 
INFJs simply change into whatever is needed at the time to function as necessary, that's the whole NFJ at work. Fe can easily mimic Te, especially to and around other people. I'd argue that it's the difference between a "mature" Fe and an "immature" Fe though.

The immature one is out to please yourself and everyone else regardless of the practicle outcome. The mature one surfaces after you've been "scarred" enough times to think things through a bit before acting. The motivation is still Fe, but the implementation is more Te so as to not "create waves" or cause the problems you had in the past. At least that's how I work!
 
dewdrop said:
I know that I was born in INFJ.I'm a painter and so talented in art(music,painting and most of arts).and I was so emotional and sensitive.
but little by little I found that it's hard to remain infj in this world. so I tried to be more logical and change my personality.
I could feel that I've become more extrovert and thinking. and now I see that I am known as a logical girl.
I did MeyersMyers-Briggs test twice (about 2 years ago) and I was become infj
now I did it again and now I'm intj
is it correct?and do I have been changed DEEPLY ?

and by this way,can I become a real extrovert?(while I'm more extrovert than before)

can deep and real change happen? or it's just a cover and the real me will come back again?

**I'm still talented in art
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i'm no expert that's for sure, but it seems to me that you are what you are regardless of how you try to alter your behavior. i think a lot of people rely on the definition of their personality type to tell them who they are.
just beeeeee yourself.
 
JGirl said:
i'm no expert that's for sure, but it seems to me that you are what you are regardless of how you try to alter your behavior. i think a lot of people rely on the definition of their personality type to tell them who they are.
just beeeeee yourself.
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Also, don't you limit possibilities for growth and change by defining yourself as INFJ? You contemplate whether or not the "real" you will reemerge so it seems like you have already made up your mind that this is what you are. I see variable MBTI test results as being a very healthy sign because it shows that one's character is not rigid and unchangeable. It's an indicator, at least, of flexibility, adaptability and growth. All positives in my opinion.
 
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