Well even Yahoo isn't buying the official narrative either.
https://news.yahoo.com/police-narra...question-as-new-details-emerge-132129728.html
https://news.yahoo.com/police-narra...question-as-new-details-emerge-132129728.html
How many more children need to die before the USA can have gun control?
- Thread starter Faye
- Start date
That’s because the official narrative is a lie, and Abbott is a political animal. The video that proves it a lie was online before nightfall that day.
Cheers,
Ian
I'm fine with having more security places, scanning for weapons, metal detectors. These should be standard safety implementations.
The culture and people of Utah are too preoccupied with online pornography to be bothered with mass shootings. 
Cheers,
Ian
Cheers,
Ian
At least online porn consumption doesn't kill children, aye? There's some silver lining for youThe culture and people of Utah are too preoccupied with online pornography to be bothered with mass shootings.
Cheers,
Ian
- Sep 28, 2008
- 41,291
- 246,830
- 4,281
- MBTI
- INFJ
- Enneagram
- 954 so/sx
In many ways I'm on board with you, but I do worry about the line being moved more and more
Mostly, I just think the fact that Utah hasn't had as much of an issue with this and the widespread of guns is an interesting case study and counterpoint to make to people who feel that the presence of guns itself is what increases the chances of these shootings.
Utah's culture, while having inherent flaws, does have a lot of regulatory advantages that helps to prevent these situations. We definitely have violence in the form of husbands killing their wives and families, but we don't have as much stranger murder happening here.
I think a mass case study should be done regarding guns on how they were obtained by mass shooters and if they were obtained in ways that weren't necessarily fully in compliance with the law or if the laws themselves are the issue. In addition to that I want to see how many times in these mass shootings there were behavioral changes from the shooter, threats made beforehand. I am l support some amount of gun control but I also feel like there are other things we can do on a societal level to help, and guns become the main issue when it is just one aspect.
For example, what if we criminally prosecuted the parents of these children when the weapon was obtained from home as well as for neglect and being an accomplice if it can be proven that the parents knew of their child's behavioral issues and did nothing? What if we could charge anyone who saw social media posts made by a shooter making threats and didn't report it with some amount of responsibility?
Here, there is a huge social culture for "if you see something, say something," and it's what helps to prevent these things, not the absence of guns.
David Nelson
Permanent Fixture
Probably the greatest reason for these shootings is a very dysfunctional and unequal society. People with little or no hope do desperate things.
This video pretty much describes what most authoritarian suburban commandos that cosplay as cops to the tune of 40% of the city budget that sat back with a thumb up their asses while people died. In fact it took an off duty border patrol office to end it while the suburban commandos were too busy beating parents up. Cops like this are only there to terrorize the poor and the lower middle class over petty offenses.
40% of the city budget.
40% of the city budget.
Last edited:
I honestly don't mind there be some form of castle doctrine being extended to public places so long that it is legal and allows law abiding people to defend themselves as well others in the event of an attack so things like this wouldn't happen.
FTFY. They are the law-sanctioned, publicly-funded coercive force of the wealth-and-investor class, operating with qualified immunity, upholding traditional punitive judgments based on race, ethnicity, sex, and class.
Remember, don’t be poor.
Show Me Your Hands!,
Ian
That sounds like trying to hitch bigger gripes about society to particular tragedies.
While the gripe you mention needs to be addressed, it doesn't seem right to connect pet topics with tragedies. It just seems dishonest.
Racists do it when someone of an ethnicity commits a crime, sexists do it when someone of a particular sex commits a crime or has driver/pilot error, communists do it when a poor person commits a crime, and elitists do it when someone commits a crime against a high status person. It's all anecdotal fallacy.
https://dailycaller.com/2018/02/15/fbi-missing-mass-shooters-florida-nikolas-cruz-omar-mateen/
If you want some additional insight as to why the killings continue.
If you want some additional insight as to why the killings continue.
- Sep 28, 2008
- 41,291
- 246,830
- 4,281
- MBTI
- INFJ
- Enneagram
- 954 so/sx
You're missing my point and also you don't understand how large organizations work I guess
Remember, don’t be poor.
Ian
Yea that mindset is very common with those who've came of age back when gas was only 80 cents a gallon and a pack of Marlboros wasn't anymore expensive.
Riding high off the vapors of the post-WW2 economic boom, when from 1946-1963 the top-tier tax rate was 91%, the middle class was created, and the nation experienced growth like it had never seen. That rate ended in 1964, and the era of hope for the future officially ended in 1971.
From 1946-1963, there were 30 school shootings in the United States.
Cheers,
Ian