Just few days. I’m just getting through it. It will go away soon.
HOW do you do it INFJs????
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Do you always talk down to people this way?
Well, brutality is a trait that belongs to XXTXs, the truth is sometimes preferable to people that tend towards that side of the balance, i myself learned to accept it and understand it (growing curious to it and having an INTP sibling), I think it is just a way of expressing oneself, sometimes it might sound bad, but morality is not (in my opinion) always a form of truth. From what I understand Dopamine is an expert in the field, so it was (in my opinion) just a professional statement, i think she did't mean anything bad mainly because she judged your post based on what you wrote. I myself don't think it was neither good nor bad.
Sorry if i put myself in, but i wanted to give my opinion on the topic, i don't mean anything bad but I (almost surely) said something wrong, i don't like when a discussion gives life to some form of discord (even if it might not really exist), it usually sets me offbalanced and a little sad (even if i don't have a real reason to do so). I hope you won't judge me too harshly for this post.
People are people. They are not letters or numbers. Everyone is capable of giving others the same amount of respect and dignity.
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I honestly didn't read it that way.
I think the way she wrote was a bit confusing, but not ill intended.
I don't want to intervene too much though since she can speak for herself and I don't know her true intent.
I understand that there are multiple interpretations to what she is saying and I don't necessarily think that's she's trying to go out of her way to harm other people; if anything it's subconscious and she's not aware of what she is doing. But that remark did two things:
1) implied that I do not want a discussion of facts, not really giving a reason why, that it would be too boring perhaps? Why would anything engage in a conversation if they didn't want to have the conversation? So she is saying she is deliberately withholding information in some way she thinks is helpful towards us, which does not make sense to me
2) implies that I don't fully understand neuroplasticity without explaining why or how. I'm sure she believes she knows more because of her education- yet there was never any discussion of my education or what information I might be referencing. Further the complete lack of explanation here is extremely dismissive. "You don't understand this, I do".
I definitely do not like this communication style at all.
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No it was not intended that way at all. When I am not fighting a pandemic I am a synaptic neuro-biochemist. Yes neural plasticity it is LITERALLY, my field of research and expertise. I am a stress and PTSD researcher normally. I study the plasticity changes during fear responses, fear extinction, and global plasticity changes in the adult brain as a result of trauma.
I wasn’t trying to talk down at all. I’m emotionally, spiritually, and intellectually exhausted. I was trying to convey information but was just too tired to construct a good message to convey the meaning of how complex neural plasticity works in the context of non development brain function and adaptation. I had absolutely zero intention to offend anyone.
I’m just really tired you guys. That’s it. Nothing more. Sometimes I’m just too tired to launch into an adequate response on something like that. I’m certainly not here to shit on anyone. I deeply love my science and want people to understand it. I’m just fucking tired.
Thanks for the explanation. Since I was expecting further discussion maybe in the future if you can't really formulate a proper response due to fatigue, consider not replying until you're feeling better. Your health comes first and honestly it's difficult to understand what you're trying to communicate.
noted.
I’m not trying to stir up shit with you Slant, but do you see any irony in how you just responded to me? Was that response geared towards encouraging open communication and empathy? Just curious about your approach and what you hope to achieve.
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Admittedly, I could have just not replied, or asked you questions to get further information. I definitely handled that in an aggressive way and I admit that. Not reading into someone's intentions is always a better approach and I'm still working on that habit of mine. I suppose I just felt shut down and dismissed. I apologise for how I chose to approach that discussion.
I would love to talk to you about it sometime. I truly do love almost nothing in this world more than the complexities of synaptic neural responses.
I appreciate what you have said here. I do appreciate the reminder that when I say something like I did it can easily be interpreted as dismissive rather than what is really going on. It is important for me to keep that in mind. You all don’t know me, so why would you know that I never want people to feel that way.
Generally when I start talking about synaptic science I need a white board and an hour to convey the way to think about it as far as science understands thus far. As an INTP it is very difficult to not launch into some extremely detailed and accurate discussion that generally does not help. When I said “trust me” I was making fun of myself. Not you.
I was to tired to try and figure out a way to quickly explain what I am talking about without visual aids. My intention was to circle back later and find you to explain. I should have said that instead.
I relate to this a lot. Curiosity is awesome
I would love to talk with you about this. Are there any books you would recommend that are about neuroplasticity?
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I didn't take the post that started this off as a put-down from @Dopamine. It sounded to me more like she was nervous about how people in the forum would receive a complex set of highly specialised scientific information that by definition needs prior expertise in the field to be able to grasp properly. I think that quite a few people in the forum have deep professional expertise in their own fields, and would be equally careful about using it intensively in a thread that wasn't originally intended to go there - particularly if it risked derailing the thread.
I can understand how you interpreted her phrasing as having body language of Parent -> Child with an Fi-loaded shut-down behind the words, but if you look carefully you can see that wasn't what she intended. It actually felt to me much more like fear that to say more would take a lot of time and effort to get right and focused on the discussion properly, and that level of depth could be ill-received by the folks here.
That's what I don't understand. Why would that level of depth be ill received? I think that the more information in a discussion, the more depth and the better the discussion can develop. Omitting information or trying to give as little as possible seems to be the worst thing to do in an open, free thinking intellectual discussion
I relate to this a lot. Curiosity is awesome
Both of these books are a little outdated but they are the clearest and cleanest books written on the subjects. The Neuron- is a detailed cell and molecular book- but the authors are very good at explaining things in a clear way. I have 10 copies and give them to new students looking to understand. The Synaptic Self is a lay person book that outlines synaptic driven personality theory. I recommend both highly.
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exactly- but it remains true that I should have been more careful
Yes I've heard of the synaptic self referenced in several books I've read, it's on my list. Thank you