What sort of excuse is this? Should I start talking down to you like a child now because you seem to think it okay to treat others differently depending on your opinion of them? We're talking about adults here, not children.
Hmm, I wasn't expecting you to actually make that argument. Your actions indicated that you didn't understand that concept.
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Are you just giving me 'your' perception of Trump or an actual perception of who Trump is, backed by actual evidence to support it?
You treated your view as if it was something that Trump IS going to do because you couldn't think up of another possible way that Trump might handle the issue. That is one giant assumption.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform This is what he actually says. I don't demand that you provide evidence I just am not going to be able to understand you claims or have a conversation with you if you choose to withold it when I say that I might need it when trying to understand your position. ...unless you just want to shout opinions at each other and not try to obtain a new point of view as a result of this discussion. Presenting me with evidence isn't a demand on my part. I am offering you an opportunity to change my mind.
This is the problem, in that, it's not being confused at all. It has been purposefully racist from the beginning. I think the real problem here is that you have some superficial understanding and definition of what racism is as if only people who are Klan members yelling 'White power' are the only acceptable examples of racism.
You don't appear to have an understanding of my understanding...
If we are talking about anti-immigrant nationalism, then why aren't British, French, German, Irish, Italian, or Russian immigrants harassed regarding their status as immigrants? Likely because it isn't about nationality at all and it has to do with ethnic minorities. When you made the distinction between Mexicans and other Latino nationalities to distinguish between who's problematic and who's not you only further emphasize that it's not really about nationality at all, but rather that one particular nationality represents a very large demographic (ethnic) shift which is threatening because it represents a possible shift in political power. So if nationalists are so concerned with immigration across the board, then why is it only Mexicans and Muslims who we're really speaking about?
I am glad you summed this up so eloquently. It is a really good argument against my claim. Let me answer this along with your last 'quoted' below.
It's not a consistent argument and never has been. It's a "No True Scotsman" fallacious argument to justify racist and prejudicial behavior. Why is it that you think nationalism isn't inherently racist? What does its views accomplish other than the political oppression of minorities or promulgating the fallacious view that foreigners are inherently more violent or dangerous than our domestic population?
It is easy to distinguish between immigrants and citizens. Are you arguing that all nationalism ends in extremist views like that of Nazism? I would argue that people who are supremacists would be attracted to nationalism but nationalism does not necessarily lead to racism. That is like saying all Muslims American, Middle Eastern, Sunni, and Shi'ite are going to bomb and murder people for their religion because their religion is inherently evil.
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform
This is Trumps immigration policy. The reason there is so much focus on mexicans is because of this...
http://immigration.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000845 (Mexico illegal immigration = 6,720,000 in 2012) (Next in line is El Salvador = 690,000 in 2012)
If you are not focusing on mexico than you are ignoring the largest problem we have in regards to illegal immigration. That is why he focuses on a wall. Outside of building the wall the rest of the reforms are focused on all immigration and that includes immigration from Europe. I must also add that we already have a wall built between us and most other countries. Mexico and Canada are the only places to build walls. People coming in from Canada illegally really isn't a very large issue especially while they are economically better off than we are.
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/video-resurfaces-donald-trumps-views-on-the-muslim-problem-whoa/
Of course there is a lot of religious and ethnic discrimination in regards to people who look or of the muslim faith which has been elevated since 9/11. I have a lot of research to do in this area so I am not commenting on that just yet.
http://www.examiner.com/article/as-muslim-population-grows-what-can-happen-to-a-society
In Trumps view next to Mexico outside Muslims represent the greatest security risk to our nation. Is this true or is it ignorance or ignorance chosen to support a racist agenda? It is a common republican view.
