Generation Wars

[JennyDaniella]

LOLOLOL I tell myself this at least five times per day

 

[Will]

One of the most interesting thing I have found is that when I was waiting to board my flight. I noticed everyone at the airport was glued to their phones. I mean I saw kids, teens, old people literally just staring at their phones or tablets.

I could've ran down each aisle in my underwear while flipping everyone off and no one would ever notice. Probably.

 

[Asa]

God, Billy Idol was a total babe. Love his music too.

Yes, he was... is. And his music was good, some of it was awesome. Gen X grew up with some amazing music. I like a lot of new music, too, and never got stuck in an era where I thought the music was better then, but MTV was just starting, the 80s were "modern" and future-oriented, and everyone was still excited about space, so as a kid I thought adulthood was going to be this crazy, sophisticated, futuristic party. Hahahaha.

Avocados rules, not just on toast. People who bitch about avocado toast need to chill.

 

[Wyote]

as a kid I thought adulthood was going to be this crazy, sophisticated, futuristic party.

It's not?

 

[Pin]

In all honesty, I think every generation after the WWII generation (Greatest Generation, GI Generation) are inferior people.

It's like get married, stay married, and raise your fucking family!

 

[Asa]

It's not?

Of course it is!

In all honesty, I think every generation after the WWII generation (Greatest Generation, GI Generation) are inferior people.

Pin is right, again.

 

[Pin]

Pin is right, again.

I am on a roll today.

 

[Asa]

It's like get married, stay married, and raise your fucking family!

I do agree that people give up on their marriages too easily, and maybe they get married too carelessly because they know there is an 'out'. There is a depth to relationships that former generations had that is missing for most people.
Sometimes divorce is a good thing, though. People have the option to get out of harmful situations now.
OMG! Bush's tush! (I never say that word, but it rhymes.)

 

[Gaze]

I think GenX was told to expect better for themselves and that things were going to just fall in place if you have a degree and career, then life changed almost overnight. Post 9/11, life changed a lot. Our sense of self changed. Options and expectations changed. Life wasn't so simple anymore. The air around us changed. Our vibe was different. People saw each other differently. We lost a lot of our innocence, hope, and dreams for the future. I think the best song to reflect how being a GenX felt is . . . with all the promises made and how reality knockes us on our heinies

 

[Pin]

I do agree that people give up on their marriages too easily, and maybe they get married too carelessly because they know there is an 'out'.

Yeah, it's terrible how frivilous our attitude towards such a serious institution has gotten. Speaking as a Millennial/Gen Z'er, I am cynical. Every institution is a joke these days from the presidency, to the stock market, to marriage, to university. It's a damn mess the United States has gotten itself into.

There is a depth to relationships that former generations had that is missing for most people.

Yeah, I think that people my age have their heads so far up their own asses because they weren't raised by Red Foreman.

Spoiler: We need...

I have a long rant that I'm holding in.

Sometimes divorce is a good thing, though. People have the option to get out of harmful situations now.
OMG! Bush's tush! (I never say that word, but it rhymes.)

Yeah, especially for women who now have the option of leaving an abusive situation.

 

[StRoNgO]

Sheesh...... All you guys talking about old school porn mags, and I don't see any one remembering an old school BUSH! Lol. I don't think I've ever come across a bush ever except the day an older woman took my V card at 15yrs old. She had a Huge Bush!

Wish I grew up in the 60's.

Alvacado toast I've never eaten. I'm allergic to Alvacado. My lips get puffy and itchy, makes my throat itch.

 

[Pin]

I think GenX was told to expect better for themselves and that things were going to just fall in place if you have a degree and career, then life changed almost overnight. Post 9/11, life changed a lot. Our sense of self changed. Options and expectations changed. Life wasn't so simple anymore. The air around us changed. Our vibe was different. People saw each other differently. We lost a lot of our innocence, hope, and dreams for the future. I think the best song to reflect how being a GenX felt is . . . with all the promises made and how reality knockes us on our heinies

Gen X recieved terrible advice in my opinion. A degree isn't a guarantee- it's a stepping stone. I mean, it's not a professional license.

 

[Pin]

Sheesh...... All you guys talking about old school porn mags, and I don't see any one remembering an old school BUSH!

I was never a fan.

 

[Deleted member 16771]

I think people tend to forget that we had the conservative revolution in the 80s, and therefore that we're living in a post-revolutionary period where a lot of things are built to ideological rather than functional standards. The change in political culture was absolutely seismic.

It's ironic that the left bang on in vain about a revolution, while the right seems to have them every few decades. I don't know what kind of consequences the current wave of populism will have in the long term, but it seems to confirm the historical pattern... 'progressive values' are advanced gradually in incremental reforms, while conservative values are advanced in reactionary revolutions. It's kind of the opposite pattern that most people expect, but it makes sense.

 

[Pin]

I think people tend to forget that we had the conservative revolution in the 80s, and therefore that we're living in a post-revolutionary period where a lot of things are built to ideological rather than functional standards. The change in political culture was absolutely seismic.

It's ironic that the left bang on in vain about a revolution, while the right seems to have them every few decades. I don't know what kind of consequences the current wave of populism will have in the long term, but it seems to confirm the historical pattern... 'progressive values' are advanced gradually in incremental reforms, while conservative values are advanced in reactionary revolutions. It's kind of the opposite pattern that most people expect, but it makes sense.

I expect World War III. These are not rational times.

 

[JennyDaniella]

In all honesty, I think every generation after the WWII generation (Greatest Generation, GI Generation) are inferior people.

It's like get married, stay married, and raise your fucking family!

I do agree that people give up on their marriages too easily, and maybe they get married too carelessly because they know there is an 'out'. There is a depth to relationships that former generations had that is missing for most people.
Sometimes divorce is a good thing, though. People have the option to get out of harmful situations now.
OMG! Bush's tush! (I never say that word, but it rhymes.)

Absolutely agree with both of you on this.

In this day and age, marriage isn't valued as it once was. Probably why I am so hesitant to even get into a long-term relationship right now due to previous fears and heartbreak, and just overall cynicism about the quality of relationships nowadays in general.

It's difficult being in your 20s, and wanting a deep and meaningful relationship, but yet majority of time you see your friends either wanting quick, casual, meaningless relationships or rather friends with benefits.

And other times, I see constant failing marriages and relationships that don't last. Though I don't want to make huge generalizations since luckily there are good amount of couples that have lasted for years and that gives me hope, but unfortunately, that percentage of couples lasting is becoming more rare over time...

The quality of relationships and marriage is going downhill steadily, and it just fucking depresses me. Still have that small glimmer of hope though.

 

[Pin]

Absolutely agree with both of you on this.

In this day and age, marriage isn't valued as it once was. Probably why I am so hesitant to even get into a long-term relationship right now due to previous fears and heartbreak, and just overall cynicism about the quality of relationships nowadays in general. It's difficult being in your 20s, and wanting a deep and meaningful relationship, but yet majority of your friends want quick and causal, meaningless relationships or rather friends with benefits.

The quality of relationships and marriage is going downhill over time, and it just fucking depresses me.

You got a friend in me.

 

[JennyDaniella]

You got a friend in me.

Woot woot! Ditto amigo.

 

[Asa]

I think GenX was told to expect better for themselves and that things were going to just fall in place if you have a degree and career, then life changed almost overnight. Post 9/11, life changed a lot. Our sense of self changed. Options and expectations changed. Life wasn't so simple anymore. The air around us changed. Our vibe was different. People saw each other differently. We lost a lot of our innocence, hope, and dreams for the future. I think the best song to reflect how being a GenX felt is . . . with all the promises made and how reality knocked us on our heinies

I agree. My personal experience is a little different, but as a whole for our generation your post is spot-on.

It's ironic that the left bang on in vain about a revolution, while the right seems to have them every few decades. I don't know what kind of consequences the current wave of populism will have in the long term, but it seems to confirm the historical pattern... 'progressive values' are advanced gradually in incremental reforms, while conservative values are advanced in reactionary revolutions. It's kind of the opposite pattern that most people expect, but it makes sense.

I notice this, too.

I notice that decades-old anarch punk slogans and ideas have been stolen by the alt-right. The slogans are often verbatim, while the ideas are twisted for a new agenda. It can be bizarre to debate with someone who throws punk rock lyrics and cliches at me like they are "new ideas", but from the opposite point of view. I don't think it is coincidence. The right is good at revolution. Conservatives are better "team players". Steal the slogans and ideas, twist them to suit your needs, and feed them to the team, while the left, an omnium gatherum, continues to argue amongst themselves.

I believe the best way to make a subculture less threatening, too, is to popularize it among the masses. Making the music, clothing, etc, popular, so regular citizens are partaking in some version of it, makes it more difficult for people within the subculture to tell who their allies are, turns the ideas into cliches so nobody takes the ideas seriously, and causes in-fighting because people are more focused on the authenticity of people within the subculture than on ideas or action. It happened with beatniks, with hippies, and with punk. I watched it happen in "real time" with punk, and it was interesting. All it takes is cooperation between capitalism, media, and the government, and that relationship is already strong. I could explain what this looked like, and how it happened in detail.

I always thought a lot of the ideas of revolution inside the punk movement were far-fetched, impractical, and idealist. Reading Emma Goldman and belonging to the local ANTIFA doesn't establish the aftermath of "the revolution".
The only place I've seen this work like the anarcho-punks wanted it to work was in Czechoslovakia. I used to know a person who was involved in that revolution, who knew Havel. I interviewed him for a punk zine, and what he said about how music, poetry, and the arts were used as communication devices was extremely interesting. It was effective. The Czech Republic would not be what the anarcho-punks want, though, and that is part of the problem. What the right wants is more concrete. The left can't agree and they're too idealist.

 

[Gaze]

Gen X recieved terrible advice in my opinion. A degree isn't a guarantee- it's a stepping stone. I mean, it's not a professional license.

We did not get bad advice. It was just how things were at the time. Once upon a Time you just needed a degree to get a good job. It's not like today where a professional license or special degree may be better. Life was different then. Wasn't hard to get a decent-paying job after college. Just that things changed almost overnight such as the economy. Things we deal with today weren't issues then. In many respects, it was a simpler time and life wasn't as hard in some ways as it is today. You didn't need to be rich to have a good life. So, it's a matter perspective. Judging past decades by today's rules and standards doesn't fit. Certain things are going to be harder to understand unless you live through it.