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  1. Satya

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    The funny thing about this ruling is that the tea partiers are now split between their dislike for gays and their obsessive love for state's rights.



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    Has the tea party even said anything about gays? Officially?
     
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    I'm going to say no, learning towards against. All I can find is polling here and there and not conclusive. Largely to the varying demographics that make up the tea party movement.

    Starting with the easiest source; wikipedia.

    I won't quote the demographic statistics of the tea party movement directly. But rather take a moment to laugh at how it reminds me of exactly the demographics in all 4 of the Kansas representative districts (Basically 89% white, 1.x% black and the rest trace amounts of everything else) are male, married, and republican. Only difference from Kansas is most of these people are polled as being wealthy and well educated.

    First google hit will bring up this article
    "The Tea Party Is Mostly Pro-Choice and Pro-Gay"
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-sapp/the-tea-party-is-mostly-p_b_637061.html

    The rest of the hits consist of gay news sites that are predominately against the Tea Party movement. There is one that is pro-tea party, GayPatriot. Although its probably more to do with more widely cared about policies like fighting 'Obamacare' and "not mincing words while taking back the government" (I get high-fives on Rand Paul quotes right?).

    *rant* I don't read gay news sites but I'm sure they paint the portrait that the tea party is against gays. It looks that way from other sources and 10 minutes on google. But with my experience with gay guys and politics (especially college-age ones that aren't paying real attention anyway) the majority of them only center their political focus on gay rights and develop an extreme 'us vs them' mentality and a vitriol bitch complex while doing it. *rant*

    The rant is spurred from suffering two very accented (fake on top of even faker accents) whore-bag women in my living room attempting to talk about the senate race in Kansas. Failing miserably btw... paper thin walls in my house ARGH!. I'll be glad to move out in a month. It spurs my disdain for all college age students and the vast majority of them constantly displaying feeble understanding of the world around them. Regardless of creedo.
     
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    They obviously have a hierarcy of what is important to them - and in this hierarcy democratic state liberty is more highly ranked than particular moral/social issues. That's all.
     
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    Pretty much.

    The movement is woven by many people with different ideologies coming together on a select number of issues that drive them. Gay issues being way down at the bottom of the list. So no official statement and free reign for members to say whatever they want to say on those topics. Mostly because they wouldn't be questioned on them so there isn't a danger of making the group look bad. Especially when it comes to attracting most people that would show an interest in their movement. The roots are political conservative. While that doesn't spell doom for ideas of social liberalism/libertarian, the intuitive answer is the position they carry is 'NO' on gay issues.

    Looking stuff up was just mild curiosity of mine. I be bored.
     
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    Some have said that the federal government has no Constitutional right to regulate gay marriage.

    That doesn't mean that they support gay marriage, but they do support each state's right to decide for itself.
     
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    Actually, it's not so much the tea party that is the issue. The Tea Party stands for Taxed Enough Already, and refers to the Boston Tea Party of 1773, which helped fuel the American Colonies' split from Britian over -- yes -- tea taxes. Yes, it's conservative but not necessarily anti-gay. But don't quote me on that, I wouldn't want to swear to it.

    It's the group National Organization for Marriage who used the same let-the-states-decide tactic and is now very upset to have it used on them:

    I heard it on NPR on Morning Edition:
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128402481

    Here's the quote from the above that shows how the state's rights argument was used against the opponents of gay marriage:

     
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    Interesting sidestep. Instead of explaining how Congress was within its rights, he jumps to the "prejudice" comment. Furthermore, the voters in 31 States had nothing to do with DOMA, which is a federal regulation of marriage. It's comments like these that show just how distorted the thinking of gay marriage opponents really is.
     
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    What interested me when listening to the *NOM man's response is that he sounded really pouty and almost hurt, like he was about to start crying. (did anyone else notice this?) It was clearly a very emotional issue for the guy. Why? Don't have a clue. But yes, it is some kind of distorted thinking, no doubt.
     
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