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    Wait, sorry, there was another question I wanted to ask.


    Is the culture hat generally we see from outside of their countries indicative of Japanese culture by in large? or only a small portion of it and it doesn't really have much to do with their culture and general values over all? because I was just wondering how much I see that is portrayed in Japanese things is actually true for themselves or only as kind of romanticizations and ideals? I find some of their culture really refreshing, and I like how they seem more quiet and reserved in comparison to the crazy extroverted culture here in the West. Also I just like how thoughtful they seem.

    They also seem to appreciate and respect things like Fi way more and it's seemingly a lot more understood on the outset it would seem (where as, seemingly disliked in crazy SJ-centric Western culture)

    I read that things like anime for example, is not altogether that popular there and things like hip-hop oddly enough are more well liked.
    So anyway, I was wondering too if Japanese things are generally really popular with a lot of people or if it's mostly just a niche thing still and if you really like Japanese things if that really means anything at all, like for example you would like visiting Japan a lot? I don't really consider myself a weaboo but I've always felt an odd connection to them and I really like their way of looking at things.

    I suppose they are quite industrious though and they make a lot of interesting things that get shipped internationally, wherein I like other cultures but they don't have as many cool things I find, for whatever reason?
     
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    Can't speak to Japanese or Japan, but I think the same principle can be applied to almost all cultures, that simply liking a few things from the culture doesn't necessarily indicate a liking or love of the actual place. When we learn about some cultural features of a place outside of the region, it's presented and enjoyed in a different context than it would be in the actual location. We may not feel the same about it if we heard about a certain thing, fell in love, but when we visited, it was quite different than we thought, or the things we thought were authentic or classical were not really embraced by those who live in the country in the same way. I love French poetry, language, literature, etc. but from what I've learned about the French and the region, I am not sure it would match my romanticized image very well. I likely had a very naive, and falsified image of the place, that won't ever be realized. It's best if I go into the actual place with an open mind, and experience it fresh than expect it to match my preconceived notions based on stereotypes or idealized images I've grown up with in another culture.
     
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    Well yes that's what I was partially curious.


    Obviously I know this is the case most of the time, I am not idealizing or putting them on a pedestal at all, but I am just curious how much is true from what is seen internationally of them. I really like French culture as well, and having met/known some of the French and stayed in Quebec for a short while, I was not altogether disappointed. There was some serious differences in culture, traditions and things that were practiced. I will probably try reading more about their culture, and in general, I really like some of their cultural practices, they are similar to the rest of the east, but also quite distinct in other ways. There's a part of me that likes their way of looking and doing things much more.

    I know for certain that generally they are more reticent, reserved and obviously do esteem things like Fi in higher regard then in many other places. So thus from an outsider perspective I find them quite interesting, but it also makes me sort of sad, I feel a weird connection to them and I think it might be because I have some long distant ancestry that is related to some of the Japanese. I don't know for certain that's what it is, but either way I feel like I have a lot in common with them.

    I was watching this video of a woman who had taken a ancestry test, and for all she knew she was only "native american" but it turns out she had some asian and european ancestry, which is where some of the native americans came from originally, and I think some of the japanese are more closely related to them from what i have read, and thus because I have some relatively recent native ancestry, I have a weird feeling there is some long distant asian ancestry as well some where. (well, because the native side of my family looks kind of asian, as some of the natives do more then others)

    I don't know if I would like living theer though permanently, but I still feel a weird kinship with them, and it brings out weird feelings in me, like sadness or whatever. Either way, I suppose they are ind of ingenious in that sense, and maybe that's what it is. I felt that when I was very young as well, I liked some japanese things and almost want refute or felt more like I could relate to them then my own culture because of how they saw things and how they were and thus I had always felt weird/confusing feelings being bi-racial. I watched a lot of japanese shows when I was really young, and some video games, were a part of my formative years, and they really helped me grow up and understand myself, wherein, I had found none of that in my own culture.
     
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    Yessss another one!! Oh boy!

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    It means you're a weeb
     
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    What?


    If my posts are controversial, then you might as well just shoot me in the head because I can't handle it any other way. I guess free lobotomizes to everyone would solve this perhaps.
     
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    Don't they look like natives though? I noticed that a lot of the japanese are brown skinned.



    I get mistaken for a mexican sometimes, and I think a lot of mexicans think I am one of them. I know some of the mexicans are indgenious, and thus they are related to the natives of america (or are them) and likewise, i think many of the natives are related to some of the japanese. Japan has always been nativist though, so I find that interesting. I guess they've never switched the population around or whatever the opposite is...? ah ha, yeah.

    I think some people think that it's impossible to keep a country and not do this once in a while, but they've managed to.
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    When I was growing up, I mean the white side of my family was kind of different too, but I swear to god, I was really wild, and I had way too much energy and I'd crazy things all of the time. I am not saying that the Japanese are the same way but when I see some of their pop culture, there's obviously something really wild about them. All the crazy karate, backflip kinds of stuff, they're really really wild (but apparently, they are one of the most intelligent races though and don't seem to have serious problems with ADHD) Not all of the indigenous people are of the same lineage or closely related to each other though, but I just have this strong feeling that I probably have some distance ancestry from asia or something, lol.
     
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    I like your posts.
     
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    Yup. Definitely.
     
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    It;s hard to tell, many do to like me very much for some reason. I am scorned and rued by all of the land, and all the while I only laugh. "it must be because I subjectively only FEEL I am a good person" when really in actuality, I must objectively know!

    But I don't know, thus I am only but an alien, alone and adrift in the coldness of outer space, with all of the other homeless space aliens.

    WHY IS THIS WORLD SO STRANGE!!?? WHY DOES IT NOT MAKE ANY SENSE!
     
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    You're passively drawing negative attention by making really melodramatic statements. "Scorned and rued by all of the land", "you might as well just shoot me in the head" good lord. Unless you're secretly Rob Ford, please provide a link to a local news headline that proclaims your faults to the nation. None of us are that important or celebrated. Quit tricking yourself into thinking you are. A persecution complex is a defense mechanism that allows you to avoid any responsibility for examining or improving yourself. Blaming every negative or confusing interaction you have on a sick world is just a way to avoid confronting your own demons and to avoid growing, which is inherently painful. It's an internal issue, and as such, if you don't confront it, it will follow you wherever you'd fantasize about going, including Japan.
     
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    38 threads in 19 days. Carry on at that rate and the whole site will be consumed by 'controversial' content, similar to this very controversial thread about liking things Japanese and liking Japan, or other similar (37) moronic questions that can never be answered.

    @Darc, all these conversations are pretty much about the same thing. Why don't you start a blog?
     
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    That's a wonderful typo, "indgenious". Like indigenous and ingenious at the same time. The sentence even makes sense with both interpretations. :D
     
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    I suppose if you have no sense of self then they can seem pointless, but go ahead and wait for your superiors and leaders to always be their to make up your mind for you. It's really sad, but I believe that approaching Fi in this manner contributes to the rates of suicide amongst Fi-doms.

    I don't know if you've ever realized this, but you're entire world lacks any purpose or meaning, and as well I find it pretty unstimulating and bleak.

    I mean if we couldn't live in an anymore cold and detached world.
    But I digress, there is nothing unclear or without a point to what I was asking. I know much of the world likes to deny sociology, and I suppose, has no desire human nature (because, to our superiors, it is not safe for us to do so I imagine, lol) Because, there is no "deeper self" we are not autonomous beings, but merely mechanisms that have no choice in how we act and behave?

    I used to struggle with this a lot, the world that I was supposed to conform to seemed empty, and meaningless to me, and furthermore it made absolutely no sense. I struggles with a deep sense of inadequacy, and have faced great social scorn and ostracization as a result. Eventually I had learned it is simply because I do not enjoy being ruled or lorded over.

    Are the Japanese exports that we get from their country indicative of their overall culture and values as a society?

    I was also wondering, how much of a society's culture and values can be discerned from an outsider perspective, simply from enjoying of experiencing tidbits or various

    I also asked if really liking a group's culture is indicative of perhaps the possibility that one would as well find much commonality and get a lot out of vising said country as well? I had always thought that with Japan especially, all the people who love Japan and go visiting there was just kind of a frivolous fad or something. But I realize now that it is pretty indicative of something.
    But anyway sure, I am the "stupid" one, but keep externalizing your personal experience until the point wherein, you have no personal choice, say in your life altogether and you are merely an automation whose self worth is deciding upon by your wonderful and benevolent "superiors" LOL.
     
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    Good idea to start a blog then?
     
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    What were your experiences with French culture? What were the positive differences you saw compared to what you knew? What did you learn that stood out the most to you?
     
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    I just find it interesting.
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    They are quite similar I think.
     
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    I really like Fe at times, and I find that it can provide a lot of warmth to the world thus I am not outright insulting that, but I believe that in large due to the existence of imperialism, self hood is degraded as a whole, especially because it makes controlling a populace that much easier.

    But ironically this is also the problem with democracy.
     
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    Honestly though as far as all the threads I've made, it's really difficult for me not to, because in this sense I have sort of an overactive mind and I do not have very many outlets for it and I do not really know where to turn to in his sense quite often and it causes me a lot of pain at times because I am a little alone in this way and often times I kind of get told that I am "too much" and I do not really know what to do, I have a very curious mind and I cannot help but feel very limited by the world at times.

    My experiences with French culture were quite positive, I really, really enjoy their way of looking at things, one of my favorite movies of all time is Amelia and that was sort of my first look into French culture, and I still do this day loge the soundtrack as well. I just love heir way of looking at things! and the way they go about living life and everything, I just love it. One of my friends said to me a long time ago (she was in her 20s I was still only in my teens) but she said that they seem to know how to enjoy life more or something. She had a hard time articulating why, but it was just like the way they went about life just led to this for some reason. Quebec is my favorite place in Canada and I just love it there. A lot of people like Quebec though because its' "slower" and "behind" the rest of Canada, but it's because Quebec is very socialist amongst other reasons why; but for whatever reason, you can pretty much do whatever you want it Quebec.

    There was a lot of famous artists from Quebec and I had never knew this before, and they seem to have a lot more respect and appreciation for art and culture. They were more open to things that the anglo-saxon side of the country looked down on or thought was crazy. I also liked all the old European buildings. I remember talking to some people from France, even though France is kind of liberal, but yet in comparison to Canada he said that many things were less expensive and he didn't like how Canada had such high taxes. They also liked watching kind of independent-ish movies and actually liked talking about what they were about. Where as I find in the anglo-saxon and Western culture, generally everyone avoids talking about the deeper meaning of things.

    But people are still relatively the same everywhere, and I encountered some of the problems I did in other places.
     
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    Something else I wanted to point out:

    I've read and heard that some people in the West want to strive to be more like the Koreans, because they think ti would benefit us more (are you serious?) because of things like discipline, and how much they take their schooling seriously. And I guess it's true to an extent, but their country is "authoritarian" and yeah. I was thinking though, I think the West would benefit more from taking the Japanese as an example perhaps (as well as other cultures) just because, they are very values, but are slightly more disciplined, and are healthier. (because I think that's some of what is wrong with Western culture, but I don't think it's all bad) but of course, I do not think the upper classes would want this. They want to force everyone to be like the Koreans and the East Indians *rolls eyes* especially in Canada, this is what they are trying to do in a lot of places. Of course they'd do this.


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    I also think that staying true to our core values is important, but looking to our heritage as well, because there's a lot of rich history with european and I think it would be good to be more mindful of that.

    For example, that's another thing I've noticed a bit with the Japanese. They've showed a lot of curiosity with europe and western culture, but have been mindful of keeping their own culture as well and I feel like they show respect for european culture more in we do in the West, which is cool.

    This video is a good example. But here in the West, they lower the standard all of the time for some reason, and make things really simple all of the time and try to discourage thought and things.(well the series too) and for example, I have this imported Japanese movie where there's actually classical music being played in one scene, which, is not really featured in Western media hardly at all.
     
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