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Eventhorizon said:
First off I like your signature. What a great program and a just a great quote. To think stories like this are housed in a single mind. Second, I have often wondered what my problem is. Its like I grew up believing in good would always win, how could it not? Only to realize later corruption rules the world. The CIA, church etc... I see so much potential in humanity only to be reminded on a daily basis its only potential, not reality.
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That is because what you see and hear on TV, and to a lesser degree the internet...is skewed to bring you the bad news, corruption has ALWAYS been around...but, there ARE really good things out there, there are really good people out there accomplishing good things. Turn on the local or national news and you get a daily "beat down" of really scary and sad shit going on. What more reason does someone like an INFx type personality need to go on? We have a predisposition for pessimism. Yes, there are terrible things going on right now, but that is how it has always been, to a greater or lesser degree (depending on the time and place). There have always been the good things too, the good people...they just aren't "good" news. The ratings get higher the more afraid they can make people, that is how it works. It's the same with advertising, if you don't buy this or that you are fat, if you don't get this car you won't look as cool, use our shave gel or you won't get all the women. It's messed up in the head, but that is how it is. Be aware or it, learn to ignore it as well as one can, or better yet learn to fight back yourself ( I don't mean with a gun) and it gives you a whole new outlook.
 
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Flavus Aquila said:
Agreed. Your post implies that also.
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So the discussion has devolved into, "I know you are but what am I" banter? The proof in something does not lay in the idea that if you cant prove it doesnt it exist, it might or does. The bible is CLEARLY a construct of mankind in every way imaginable. A god had nothing to do with its creation. Is there any argument in this from anyone here?
 
Eventhorizon said:
So the discussion has devolved into, "I know you are but what am I" banter? The proof in something does not lay in the idea that if you cant prove it doesnt it exist, it might or does. The bible is CLEARLY a construct of mankind in every way imaginable. A god had nothing to do with its creation. Is there any argument in this from anyone here?
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You can no more proved the nonexistence of an afterlife as someone here can...we all will just have to wait. lol
 
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Well looks like you dont have a clue. Pretty typical.
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Put downs, name calling and general rudeness from you. Pretty typical, and proof that you are just picking fights. :D Have fun!

(Before I go, here's a little suggestion: if you want someone with a clue, why don't you do a poll asking who here knows Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek and Latin, plus has actually seen the original manuscripts included in the bible? Then you might get a clue, instead of a fight!)
 
this is only temporary said:
Put downs, name calling and general rudeness from you. Pretty typical, and proof that you are just picking fights. :D Have fun!

(Before I go, here's a little suggestion: if you want someone with a clue, why don't you do a poll asking who here knows Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek and Latin, plus has actually seen the original manuscripts included in the bible? Then you might get a clue, instead of a fight!)
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I'll keep that in mind. I hope you can, somehow, get over a disagreement on the internet.
 
Skarekrow said:
You can no more proved the nonexistence of an afterlife as someone here can...we all will just have to wait. lol
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True, but I never said that I could. I for one believe in the possibility of life after this death.
 
Eventhorizon said:
True, but I never said that I could. I for one believe in the possibility of life after this death.
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My point is that no matter what side you are on no one here can offer any concrete proof...we all just have to wait and see.
 
Eventhorizon said:
First off I like your signature. What a great program and a just a great quote. To think stories like this are housed in a single mind. Second, I have often wondered what my problem is. Its like I grew up believing in good would always win, how could it not? Only to realize later corruption rules the world. The CIA, church etc... I see so much potential in humanity only to be reminded on a daily basis its only potential, not reality.
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Thanks! Syrio is a master of the temple. He has a mastery of himself (his emotions and passions are managed and contained), he has a mastery of his craft (not only sword play but also teaching) and he has a mastery of life (he is his own boss and has freedom of movement and of choice)...a formidable character....and arya has potential but is still only an apprentice

Concerning the corruption in the world i wouldn't get down hearted about it; the deeper you look into it the clearer it becomes that all the havoc in the world is created by the same few people!

That is very good news because the vast majority of humanity are not trying to screw everyone else over they are just going about their day.

Also there is a growing awareness among the masses that there is this group of predators that see themselves as distinct from the rest of humanity who are clearly not only preying on us but who are sowing seeds of division, hatred and terror among the population to keep people divided and scared

Now what happens when EVERYONE can see who these people are and what they are doing? Then we can really make some progress!

There are breakthroughs every day. For example today splashed across the front page of a major mainstream UK newspaper (the guardian) is a story about how it has been found that google and facebook have been used by intelligence agencies (CIA, MOSSAD, MI6) to spy on British citizens and pressure is now being applied to the foriegn secretary to see if he signed off on this spying operation called 'Operation Prism'

I posted about facebook being a tool for spying here over a year ago and now here it is being reported in the mainstream news.....now everyone is going to know what is going on regarding that.....that's progress!

What really needs to happen though is for people to stop seeing these stories (scandals) as unrelated and seperate storys and instead begin to join the dots and realise that there is a conspiracy against the public by a cabal of oil, banking and media people (the fascists and corporatists). Once people do that then then they know where the threat is coming from and can take pro-active action against it

The battle lines are beginning to form and the vast majority of people will be on one side

That potential you see in humanity everyday is being blocked by a cynical few with an agenda of control. Once we remove that obstacle to peace we could really create something special on this planet but first the awareness needs to be there from people and that process is still rolling out. Many people are still caught in the mental cul-de-sac created by the corporate media of thinking these things are 'conspiracy theory'....however the 'conspiracy theory' is becoming more and more mainstream by the day and less and less deniable by the day
 
muir said:
Thanks! Syrio is a master of the temple. He has a mastery of himself (his emotions and passions are managed and contained), he has a mastery of his craft (not only sword play but also teaching) and he has a mastery of life (he is his own boss and has freedom of movement and of choice)...a formidable character....and arya has potential but is still only an apprentice

Concerning the corruption in the world i wouldn't get down hearted about it; the deeper you look into it the clearer it becomes that all the havoc in the world is created by the same few people!

That is very good news because the vast majority of humanity are not trying to screw everyone else over they are just going about their day.

Also there is a growing awareness among the masses that there is this group of predators that see themselves as distinct from the rest of humanity who are clearly not only preying on us but who are sowing seeds of division, hatred and terror among the population to keep people divided and scared

Now what happens when EVERYONE can see who these people are and what they are doing? Then we can really make some progress!

There are breakthroughs every day. For example today splashed across the front page of a major mainstream UK newspaper (the guardian) is a story about how it has been found that google and facebook have been used by intelligence agencies (CIA, MOSSAD, MI6) to spy on British citizens and pressure is now being applied to the foriegn secretary to see if he signed off on this spying operation called 'Operation Prism'

I posted about facebook being a tool for spying here over a year ago and now here it is being reported in the mainstream news.....now everyone is going to know what is going on regarding that.....that's progress!

What really needs to happen though is for people to stop seeing these stories (scandals) as unrelated and seperate storys and instead begin to join the dots and realise that there is a conspiracy against the public by a cabal of oil, banking and media people (the fascists and corporatists). Once people do that then then they know where the threat is coming from and can take pro-active action against it

The battle lines are beginning to form and the vast majority of people will be on one side

That potential you see in humanity everyday is being blocked by a cynical few with an agenda of control. Once we remove that obstacle to peace we could really create something special on this planet but first the awareness needs to be there from people and that process is still rolling out. Many people are still caught in the mental cul-de-sac created by the corporate media of thinking these things are 'conspiracy theory'....however the 'conspiracy theory' is becoming more and more mainstream by the day and less and less deniable by the day
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I wish it were that simple. While there may be a minority who have the ability to manipulate certain aspects of economy's etc...IE Oil companies etc.. I do not think they do it with the intention of keeping the "masses" down. Keeping the masses down is just a side effect of wanting \ acquiring money.

Let me ask you. Do you think a solution is to just give everyone a billion dollars to live their life with?
 
muir said:
Thanks! Syrio is a master of the temple. He has a mastery of himself (his emotions and passions are managed and contained), he has a mastery of his craft (not only sword play but also teaching) and he has a mastery of life (he is his own boss and has freedom of movement and of choice)...a formidable character....and arya has potential but is still only an apprentice

Concerning the corruption in the world i wouldn't get down hearted about it; the deeper you look into it the clearer it becomes that all the havoc in the world is created by the same few people!

That is very good news because the vast majority of humanity are not trying to screw everyone else over they are just going about their day.

Also there is a growing awareness among the masses that there is this group of predators that see themselves as distinct from the rest of humanity who are clearly not only preying on us but who are sowing seeds of division, hatred and terror among the population to keep people divided and scared

Now what happens when EVERYONE can see who these people are and what they are doing? Then we can really make some progress!

There are breakthroughs every day. For example today splashed across the front page of a major mainstream UK newspaper (the guardian) is a story about how it has been found that google and facebook have been used by intelligence agencies (CIA, MOSSAD, MI6) to spy on British citizens and pressure is now being applied to the foriegn secretary to see if he signed off on this spying operation called 'Operation Prism'

I posted about facebook being a tool for spying here over a year ago and now here it is being reported in the mainstream news.....now everyone is going to know what is going on regarding that.....that's progress!

What really needs to happen though is for people to stop seeing these stories (scandals) as unrelated and seperate storys and instead begin to join the dots and realise that there is a conspiracy against the public by a cabal of oil, banking and media people (the fascists and corporatists). Once people do that then then they know where the threat is coming from and can take pro-active action against it

The battle lines are beginning to form and the vast majority of people will be on one side

That potential you see in humanity everyday is being blocked by a cynical few with an agenda of control. Once we remove that obstacle to peace we could really create something special on this planet but first the awareness needs to be there from people and that process is still rolling out. Many people are still caught in the mental cul-de-sac created by the corporate media of thinking these things are 'conspiracy theory'....however the 'conspiracy theory' is becoming more and more mainstream by the day and less and less deniable by the day
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One such thing come right to mind after reading your post.
It's funny how certain things never get reported in the news...such as what is going on in Turkey.
Here you go...http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/06/03/23-incredible-pictures-from-the-protests-currently-rocking-turkey/
They only report stories that they team relevant...it's BS.
 
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Eventhorizon said:
So the discussion has devolved into, "I know you are but what am I" banter? The proof in something does not lay in the idea that if you cant prove it doesnt it exist, it might or does. The bible is CLEARLY a construct of mankind in every way imaginable. A god had nothing to do with its creation. Is there any argument in this from anyone here?
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If you had done your homework, you clearly would not have said that. Line in the sand: know about it? Throw the first stone?................................I was talking with an Orthodox Jewish Rabbi ten years or so ago. It was an all day discussion and those of other beliefs were invited. Had to go. He asked a question, to which he asked the audience for an answer. Felt a bit alone with my arm being raised by itself. My answer was "The Trinity." His reply? Same as many here. He said, "Very few people understand the Trinity."......................................................................................I neither offered an explanation, nor did he ask for one. When our eyes met, I could accept what he had said. Maybe what he said was true, but to FULLY understand the Trinity? We agreed and he went on with his discussion, making note of me. We talked later during a break...............................................................................All we spoke about hasn't been hidden all these years: quite the contrary. The answers are there for those that give of their life to find them. In conversation with others, bits of information are shared and everyone involved understands a little better.
 
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There was a man who wrote a book(not speaking of the Bible). The book became well-read. What was it that kept so many people reading it? I tell you a truth, that so many people were sharing his inspiration it made them speak of it to their friends and peers. His inspiration: where did it come from? Can it be said Divine Inspiration is impossible? Who would say this?
 
Skeptics should forego any thought of convincing the unconvinced that we hold the torch of truth illuminating the darkness. A more modest, realistic, and achievable goal is to encourage the idea that one may be mistaken. Doubt is humbling and constructive;it leads to rational thought in weighing alternatives and fully reexamining options, and it opens unlimited vistas. Quoted
SKEPTICS

I cannot even believe in this quote fully. It causes me to question specifics. If I turn to a friend for help in fully understanding this quote, I rather ask his opinion and we discuss it. I try not to tell him my view is the correct understanding, full and complete in its entirety, when I might have questions my own self. It might possibly be contrary to try and change a person’s view of something, as it could close the door of opportunity.
Opportunity to fully understand does not knock on everyone’s door. The Bible says to ask, seek, and knock. However,it is not wise to miscalculate how important it might be to not cast the seed of doubt on those that have come to the table of faith. It may be best for you to do the asking, the seeking, and the knocking; if you really want to know,that is.

didómi: to give (in various senses lit. or fig.)
Original Word: δίδωμι
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: didómi
Phonetic Spelling: (did'-o-mee)
Short Definition: I offer, give
Definition: I offer, give; I put, place.

Translations are difficult. Few seek the interlineal Greek translations, and even fewer there be that cross reference them with Lexicons. They are there for the finding.

http://biblehub.com/matthew/7-6.htm

I posted all translations I could,along with commentaries from different sources, so you would not think I was calling you names. I have to listen to this in my mind as I am typing this.

One more thing will not go away from me today: http://biblehub.com/matthew/6-33.htm

Now I say unto you, that the faithful people would want to save you. They are called to try and save you. There is something you must do before I can try to save you. I would like to try and help you find the Holy Spirit of God, but I shall not cast His seed on a bellowing ground of fire.
I think this understanding must be given you as you find it.
 
Scientology! Scientology is the way!! lol...jk.
 
Skarekrow said:
One such thing come right to mind after reading your post.
It's funny how certain things never get reported in the news...such as what is going on in Turkey.
Here you go...http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...s-from-the-protests-currently-rocking-turkey/
They only report stories that they team relevant...it's BS.
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Yeah totally, there is some good journalism out there but a lot of the mainstream corporate journalism is essentially about weaving a narrative to make people see the world in a way that conceals the truth from them

The son of the turkish PM was involved in the construction project that was to take place on Gezi park; he stood to make a lot of money out of it

Another aspect of the protest is that many turks know that erdogan is a puppet of the zionists and corporate cabal. He is helping the cabal to destabilise Syria which is an ally of Iran whos oil the cabal want to control.

He is helping the spread of islamic fundamentalism within Turkey also. The cabal likes islamic fundamentalism (for example the Israelis helped create Hamas!).

''Today most US arab allies in the world embrace Islamic fundamentalism, which is quite congruent with global monopoly capitalism, since both are based on a return to rule by feudalistic monarchy. Most US Arab enemies, with the exception of Iran, embrace secular socialism, which aims to stop the exploitation of oil resources by the Four Horsemen (4 big oil companies) and their international bankers.'' Dean Henderson, ''Big Oil and their bankers in the Persian gulf''
 
Eventhorizon said:
I wish it were that simple. While there may be a minority who have the ability to manipulate certain aspects of economy's etc...IE Oil companies etc.. I do not think they do it with the intention of keeping the "masses" down. Keeping the masses down is just a side effect of wanting \ acquiring money.
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They most definately want to keep the masses down. In fact that's one of the most stupid things about their fascistic approach....that they spend so much time, energy and resources on keeping the masses down that could be used to create a healthier and happier society

Eventhorizon said:
Let me ask you. Do you think a solution is to just give everyone a billion dollars to live their life with?
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No
 
People should look at the changes that have been made in Webster's Dictionary. That will not happen everywhere.
 
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