Anyone else here cry when Ron Paul was edged out? They really do make you "disappear" if you oppose their system.
I'd never shed a tear for anyone I hate as much as I hate him and what he stands for.
Anyone else here cry when Ron Paul was edged out? They really do make you "disappear" if you oppose their system.
I'd never shed a tear for anyone I hate as much as I hate him and what he stands for.
All your arguments go one direction no matter the topic. It is tiresome and predictable. We are all naive as none of us knows everything. Perhaps I am naive or perhaps your obsession to a single idea blinds you to so many other possibilities. You make too many baseless claims and arguing against them feels as impossible as proving god doesn't exist to a religious fanatic. I cannot prove something doesn't exist because if it doesn't exist it doesnt have evidence. All I can do is determine if evidence that seems to prove something is valid and real. So where is the evidence so I can take you seriously?
I do think that the analogy with religious zealotry is a good one, Muir and others like him are not interested in open minds or discussion what they are looking for is converts to their private creedos and worldviews.
So for example i mentioned to you earlier in this thread Operation Condor. I did this for a reason. It is so that anyone who is wondering what sort of people are behind these global events can then find out that they are the kind of people who kidnap people from their families, tie them up and then fly them over the ocean in helicopters before slitting their bellies open and throwing them out to be shark food; this they did to tens of thousands of people all with the help of the CIA and the likes of Kissinger
These guys are the eugencist fascists behind the corporatocracy in the US and they are fighting a global war against humanity
Why do you blame Operation Condor on corporations?
US involvment was derived of communist hate which took root during the cold war because of fear and hate of Russia.
Hate of certain groups is common when people need someone to blame.
When Germany was suffering after WWI they blamed teh Jews because the Jews were well off and the germans persecuted them.
After Pearl Harbor the US blamed adn distrusted all Japanese even in the US.
Now people blame corporations and the economic strife has raised it to a new level.
It is odd to blame corporations when they resemble the democratic/republic type of government so well. I share ownership of corporations just as most middle class people do through 401k and stocks.
What does he stand for?
he seems to stand for pulling the US troops back to the US and staying out of conflict
Do you support the constant conflict in the middle east?
[video=youtube;yDSX3XvqkjE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDSX3XvqkjE[/video]
When you post rhetorical questions and there is no response there is always the risk of you believing that the person whose post you have quoted or others are validating your point with their silence.
This is not the case.
I just want to you know for absolute certain that this is the case, that you are being ignored, that your communication fail remains a communication fail and that none of your points are persuasive when you cant get anyone to give you the time of day.
I'll start by apologizing if anything I say is redundant, but my reply is in regards to the original post.
I absolutely think they can be reconciled, and in fact, for them to be reconciled is exactly where things have to go if we're to progress as a species!
Also, I think the classification of socialism you've outlined in the original post is ever so slightly more characteristic of communism rather than socialism. The self-denial, mandated altruism, etc. ( I think its kind of naive to force these values where they are not present in individuals, hence the disaster that is communism!)
I love those values when people exhibit them honestly, thought it is kind of a folly to mandate them, my last partner really helped stoke this very strong interest in me. As such, I've only come to think this way much later in my life, (let alone take an interest). But its been revelatory for me. The idea of mixing the notion of a healthy, quality, and regulated market which provides a healthy expression for peoples kind of intrinsic self interest, in an effective and overarching political strata of strictly public interest.
IT CAN BE DONE! lol
I admit thinking this way has been very beyond most people I've talked about it with, and only the most deeply matured people I know even have a tangible interest. Kind of a shame really! : ( Thanks though for posing such a wonderful question! It's really satisfying to read such a wonderful question being asked.
Cynical apologist for fascism? Thats comes off as quite a leap! Are you suggesting that I should have assumed Lark is one, and grilled him based on that assumption? That doesn't come off as reasonable in the slightest, especially since that would be assumption for which I have no evidence! Nor any justifiable reason to presume. Thats a bizarre, and seems to me to be a rather paranoid way to go about communicating, in my opinion. Lark asked a number of clear questions, and I provided as clear a response as seemed fit at the time.
Fascism to me is not a laudable political worldview, at all. That really goes without saying, especially until someone argues for it directly. It would be wildly silly for me to presume it given that I haven't been presented an argument for it. I don't know if Lark secretely believes in fascism, and it doesn't even come into my mind as something for which to worry about! If anyone believes that, I can't do anything about it until they argue their case. When, and if anyone does i'll argue those points. When, and if they are made. Seems reasonable to me.
Regarding how would it work in real world terms? The same way any government works. By the consent of the governed, and through a set of legislations around a constitution designed to enact the vision.
Cynical apologist for fascism? Thats comes off as quite a leap! Are you suggesting that I should have assumed Lark is one, and grilled him based on that assumption? That doesn't come off as reasonable in the slightest, especially since that would be assumption for which I have no evidence! Nor any justifiable reason to presume. Thats a bizarre, and seems to me to be a rather paranoid way to go about communicating, in my opinion. Lark asked a number of clear questions, and I provided as clear a response as seemed fit at the time.
Fascism to me is not a laudable political worldview, at all. That really goes without saying, especially until someone argues for it directly. It would be wildly silly for me to presume it given that I haven't been presented an argument for it. I don't know if Lark secretely believes in fascism, and it doesn't even come into my mind as something for which to worry about! If anyone believes that, I can't do anything about it until they argue their case. When, and if anyone does i'll argue those points. When, and if they are made. Seems reasonable to me.
Regarding how would it work in real world terms? The same way any government works. By the consent of the governed, and through a set of legislations around a constitution designed to enact the vision.
Do you think rational self interest can be reconciled with socialism or is it impossible? Is there a case to be made for "selfish socialism" or is that impossible? Is socialism intrinsically linked with self-sacrifice, self-denial and, at the very most, altruism while individualism is intrinsically linked with self-interest and self-reward?
Muir you are really patronizing.
The idea that the richest 1% (banking elite as you put it) are socialists is extremely funny. I can't even...
The people who nearly wrecked the economy (like in 2008) were enormous fans of de-regulated free markets. Alan Greenspan testified before congress and very reluctantly admitted to being a free-market ideologue. He's a famous fan of Ayn Rand.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business-july-dec08-crisishearing_10-23/
Here's the proof as a reference.
You seem to fashion yourself as a defender of the poor and the down-trodden, I have to wonder why than would you have any appreciation for Ron Paul? I can't help but wonder if it is either supreme confusion and delusion, or supreme disingenuousness?
I'm going to throw this out there for anyone curious as to what the average American spends on social what nots.
I live in a town where cost of living is spot on average. I make what is considered average income for a single.
I figured out that after tax deductions and exemptions, I pay a total of 3% for Federal (whatever they do with it), 3% public roads and police services (state stuff), 3% for public schools and health care (Medicare)
Then 5% for gov. ran retirement savings.
I considered my property taxes too when determining what I really pay for schools, which I keep separate from state stuff in my mind. Sorry if this confuses anyone. I don't seem to organize my thoughts like everyone else. I also round off to nearest ones place. I think this helps determine what people really pay better than the gov. ran websites will tell you. Or I am bias, and just like my way of organizing my thoughts better.
I'm fine with what I pay.