Let me talk about what some doesn't dare or want to talk about - because as soon as you mention any flaws in the system, you are being kept as an intruder or an "unbeliever" etc. I want to criticize the model, but let me first off compare the MBTI-model with models in physics.
A parable
Gravity. For most of us gravity is something very palpable. We don't question the concequenses of it nor the very nature of gravitation. Newton was somewhat the first to offer a model of how it all works, and history of men developed as we found out that we could explain nature by laws, rules and... models. But a couple of hundred years later there were findings that meant there were flaws in Newtons model F=mg. It didn't fit with reality in all cases.
Oh noes! Doom to us all! The world is falling apart! If gravity isn't real for all the situation, what will then happen? No, it cannot be, is has not to be, it will not!
What happend was that physicists made an other model, one that fit with reality better, in a way, but was much more complex and thus ungainly for us to use in those "normal" events that happens on earth. So we still us Newtons model of gravity - because it's still true!
What?! Is it still true? But didn't you just say that it wasn't?
Models in science are never truely true. Period. They are models of reality as we sees and understand it. They are true as long as they work, but every model must have their boundaries, so that we know in what circumstances they're working.
The topic
This it also true for the MBTI model of personality types. So if we can't talk about it's flaws without being aggressive or overly protective about it, then we probably never will reach to deeper understandings of the personalities... and the universe, for that matter. We have to understand that letting other perspectives in isn't nessecerily going to lead to that we find out that MBTI isn't true. Of course MBTI is true! We all have answered questions, and those questions are hopefully truthfully answered, and then the answere we get is an answere built on them.
So I want to look beyond MBTI, not reject MBTI. How come INFJ's are called a complex type when I found out that every type is a complex type? How come types with an introverted Thinking (Ti) "has to" think internally, and speak up only when finished a thought? I myself often get to think with my mouth, externally, but with emotions, thus bringing me to doubt my type because of it's square understanding of the human psyche. An other parable: there are certain areas in the human brain that's used for mathematical thinking, and others for vision. Findings have shown that there are some people that use their part of the brain for vision when calculation mathematics, thus bringing them to be super fast (a parable in the parable: when we wan't a computer to cumpute algorithms faster, we let the grafic card handle it because it's much faster. The same goes for the human brain. We know how to handle vision more than mathematic, and that gives us a much more developed part of the brain in those areas). So if you nessecarilly can't tell how humans cumpute math in their brain, well how come we're tying to squeeze every person into a box telling them "you're using both external Thinking and Feeling. You're doing it wrong!", because this person maybe computed thoughts though emotions.
But then again, these concepts "Feeling" and "Thinking" aren't nessecerily "emotions" and "thoughts"... but that is what I read between the lines when reading on the internet. They say everyone has emotions and thoughts, right, but talks about how individuals are showing emotions or not, speaking thoughts or not. I find this a little confusing. Weren't "Feeling" and "Thinking" about making descisions based on ethics or logic?
I myself almost always (90%) tests as an INFJ.
My mother probably is an INFJ
My brothers fiancée tested an INFJ yesterday.
I canot and will not say that either one of us ARE NOT an INFJ, because I can see the traits being true. I can see them answere each question in the test correctly, and belive myself doing the same after taking about 20 different tests. But how come there are so many INFJ's? A hot topic.
I'm not looking to be another sceptic, but I'm searching for truth - always the truth!
So when I'm bringing up this topic I understand I'm giving those other "bad guys" an opertunity to lift their critical voice, I would hope they wouldn't unless they were kind and thruthful. I will post this topic anyway...
Let's talk about the flaws in curious matter, not condemning.
A parable
Gravity. For most of us gravity is something very palpable. We don't question the concequenses of it nor the very nature of gravitation. Newton was somewhat the first to offer a model of how it all works, and history of men developed as we found out that we could explain nature by laws, rules and... models. But a couple of hundred years later there were findings that meant there were flaws in Newtons model F=mg. It didn't fit with reality in all cases.
Oh noes! Doom to us all! The world is falling apart! If gravity isn't real for all the situation, what will then happen? No, it cannot be, is has not to be, it will not!
What happend was that physicists made an other model, one that fit with reality better, in a way, but was much more complex and thus ungainly for us to use in those "normal" events that happens on earth. So we still us Newtons model of gravity - because it's still true!
What?! Is it still true? But didn't you just say that it wasn't?
Models in science are never truely true. Period. They are models of reality as we sees and understand it. They are true as long as they work, but every model must have their boundaries, so that we know in what circumstances they're working.
The topic
This it also true for the MBTI model of personality types. So if we can't talk about it's flaws without being aggressive or overly protective about it, then we probably never will reach to deeper understandings of the personalities... and the universe, for that matter. We have to understand that letting other perspectives in isn't nessecerily going to lead to that we find out that MBTI isn't true. Of course MBTI is true! We all have answered questions, and those questions are hopefully truthfully answered, and then the answere we get is an answere built on them.
So I want to look beyond MBTI, not reject MBTI. How come INFJ's are called a complex type when I found out that every type is a complex type? How come types with an introverted Thinking (Ti) "has to" think internally, and speak up only when finished a thought? I myself often get to think with my mouth, externally, but with emotions, thus bringing me to doubt my type because of it's square understanding of the human psyche. An other parable: there are certain areas in the human brain that's used for mathematical thinking, and others for vision. Findings have shown that there are some people that use their part of the brain for vision when calculation mathematics, thus bringing them to be super fast (a parable in the parable: when we wan't a computer to cumpute algorithms faster, we let the grafic card handle it because it's much faster. The same goes for the human brain. We know how to handle vision more than mathematic, and that gives us a much more developed part of the brain in those areas). So if you nessecarilly can't tell how humans cumpute math in their brain, well how come we're tying to squeeze every person into a box telling them "you're using both external Thinking and Feeling. You're doing it wrong!", because this person maybe computed thoughts though emotions.
But then again, these concepts "Feeling" and "Thinking" aren't nessecerily "emotions" and "thoughts"... but that is what I read between the lines when reading on the internet. They say everyone has emotions and thoughts, right, but talks about how individuals are showing emotions or not, speaking thoughts or not. I find this a little confusing. Weren't "Feeling" and "Thinking" about making descisions based on ethics or logic?
I myself almost always (90%) tests as an INFJ.
My mother probably is an INFJ
My brothers fiancée tested an INFJ yesterday.
I canot and will not say that either one of us ARE NOT an INFJ, because I can see the traits being true. I can see them answere each question in the test correctly, and belive myself doing the same after taking about 20 different tests. But how come there are so many INFJ's? A hot topic.
I'm not looking to be another sceptic, but I'm searching for truth - always the truth!
So when I'm bringing up this topic I understand I'm giving those other "bad guys" an opertunity to lift their critical voice, I would hope they wouldn't unless they were kind and thruthful. I will post this topic anyway...
Let's talk about the flaws in curious matter, not condemning.
