Are you going insane?

[muir]

Even so I think theres needs to be caution when assigning "blame" to whose responsible for what. Clearly people have motives.

Yeah the motives part is whats really interesting here

Have you ever noticed how the corporate media will tell you the who's and the whens and the wheres and the whats but never the why's

Why? is the key question

Socrates knew this. he would go around asking people why they were doing something and then when they answered him he would then ask them 'why?' to their answer. he would then ask 'why?' to their next answer and so on to make them follow their reasoning back.

What he found is that most people really don't have a fucking clue why they are doing hafl the shit they're doing....they're just following social programming

of course they killed him for this...they made him drink posionous hemlock. I guess there is some truth to the saying: 'if you are going to tell people the truth, make them laugh or they'll hate you for it'

Poor old socrates was just trying to get people to analyse why they were doing things to try and improve their situation and the situation of society

So lokking at the cabal. We know which families are behind it. We know many of the ways in which they exercise their power and influence people. We know where they are and where their organisations are. What is a little more difficult is WHY. Some might say that it is down to the pursuit of power and/or wealth. Ok but why go to such extremes for power and wealth?

You see saying its all for power and wealth is not enough...it doesn't explain why they go to those lengths for power and wealth

Personally i think part of the why aspect is that they are a network of psychopaths.

I'm reading a book at the moment called 'Is there a psycho in your life' by the forensic psychologist Kerry Daynes and the writer Jessica Fellowes. It begins with an old fable called ''the scorpion and the frog'':

On the banks of a stream, a scorpion and a frog meet. The scorpion wants to travel to the other side and asks the frog to carry him.
'But how do I know you won't sting me?' asks the wary frog
'Of course i won't', replies the scorpion. 'If i sting you, I die too.'
Satisfied, the frog agrees and the scorpion leaps on his back.
Halfway across, the scorpion stings the frog, dooming them both.
'Why did you do that?' cries the dying frog.
'It's just in my nature,' replies the scorpion

Clearly groups of people have motives and clearly power helps facilitate motives. However the idea that there is some organized corporations acting together to make and execute predetermined plans specifically designed to keep "the people" down is a going a little too far.''

The inter-related nature of the corporations is now pretty well documented see for example the following study by the Swiss federal institute that outlines how centrlaised corporate power is around the world:
http://www.occupycorporatism.com/swiss-study-shows-147-technocratic-super-entities-rule-the-world/

I live in a comparitively small country; it has 5 million people. Here 50% of the land is owned by 180 people. It was all taken by nefarious means by the aristocracy working together to enrich themselves and each other. A guy called Andy wightman wrote about this process in a book called ''The Poor had no lawyers''

The aim of the el-ite has always been to sit on the backs of the workers and to get the workers to....well...do the work, while they live off the sweat off our backs

Groups like the fabian society (aldous huxley was heavily influenced by their ideas) began to look into ways to make the slave class (wage slaves are the new serfs) learn to love their slavery. In Huxleys book a Brave New world they drug the people with a soothing drug called 'soma'

In our society we have alcohol and we have consumerism, electircal gadgets, entertainment media and many other ways to make the wage slaves love or at least accept their slavery

What they really want though is total control and to that effect they want to implant microchips into our skin that our money would be stored on. If we miss behave they wil trun the switch off and we can't buy any food etc. they already have these chips put into all dogs in this country

[video=youtube;vuBo4E77ZXo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77ZXo[/video]

Do corporations pursue things that make it easy for them to operate and make money? Absolutely. Is making money only secondary to controlling and keeping in place the people of the land. Highly doubtful. If so you would hear it in the media constantly. One side blaming the other for it.

No you won't hear it in the media because they are singing you a lullaby

Yes there is a lot of blaming going on though...this is to create dissention and divides....divide and rule....endless war and conflict, or as Bob Marley put it 'fussing and fighting' and while we are all fussing and fighting the cabal is ruling over us

It would be a secret second only to keeping aliens secret. Something we know the government isnt capable of doing. Its full of idiots who cant keep their mouths shut about anything if they think it will give them some face time on TV. I think it far more likely the strife of the people is not caused by deliberate intent as much as it is plain and simple ignorance and greed.

People haven't kept their mouths shut they have spoken out, but they usually end up dead

Do you want to hear what your ex president John F Kennedy had to say about the cabal just weeks before he was shot in the head? Listen to the clip in my next post

 

[muir]

[video=youtube;hO1BD6jpBSE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO1BD6jpBSE[/video]

We don;t get to hear that in history class do we?

 

[muir]

[MENTION=5559]Cornerstone[/MENTION]

Just having some dinner and will try and put something together about the russian situation. Sorry for the delay

 

[Cornerstone]

They DO keep aliens secret!

The Government is more about the intelligence agencies than the pricks who get lobbied for a profession.
None of the important stuff is democratic...but, sure, the inconsequential things can be changed that way.
Reforming to preserve has been acknowledged as a tactic for a long time. The extension of the franchise in England shows this.

Intelligence agencies ARE secrecy. That's their entire game. That is what they are BEST at.
So, yes, they can...and they do. And it is remarkably easy to make these kind of moves when you have the power of the State (what most people call Government).
The State is a better way to refer to the power structures. Government holds the reigns to what The State can do.
But there are many elements of The State that supersede Government and so Democracy in any meaningful sense was compromised a long time ago.
There are also increasingly centres of power outside The State that supersede government - such as BIG, multi-national private business.

Now, are there elements of power that supersede The State?!
Again, arguably, the intelligence agencies. They are multi-national in scope but not brazen 'this is all we do at any cost' profiteers like big-business.
When you look at who are major controlling stakeholders in many of the biggest private businesses; they are the same people in the intelligence agencies.
The same people. Not...the "same people". THE SAME PEOPLE.

So big business (including weapons and military supplies & the mainstream media) and intelligence supersede government.
Big business = Intelligence = The State
So, by creating a corporatocracy you also inadvertently create the potential for a military-dictatorship for when the 'it's for the best' propaganda starts wearing off.
This would be true even if it wasn't happening...but it is!

No worries [MENTION=1871]muir[/MENTION]

 

[Eventhorizon]

[video=youtube;hO1BD6jpBSE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO1BD6jpBSE[/video]

We don;t get to hear that in history class do we?

Before I even watch that video I see the Masonic symbol and balk. Having been in a family where my father was a Grand Lodge Master, I would ask you...do you think Masons to any extent have anything to do with how countries or the world is run as a group?

 

[Eventhorizon]

I just cant help but feel this conversation is lopsided. Its like swimming in a murky pond and believing that because you cant see below the surface, there must be something horrible in there with you.

The videos you provide all lend support to what you are saying but where are the videos that dispels them? I can find any number of videos online telling me how alien cover up is real and making a good case for it because they WANT you to believe it. But I can find just as many videos that debunk those videos.

I really believe you are putting to much faith in humans to come together and work for any length of time in a way that would keep it secret from the public for any length of time. You say its not secret but it clearly is because if not, where is the outrage from the public? Why is it only the few minority who becomes outraged?

 

[Gul Dukat]

Wow-- great article, OP.

This thread seems to have veered off in some other directions but the original article did seem to raise a lot of points about the exact kind of disconnection between people and their work that Marx said was the inevitable end game of capitalist society. I'm not sure that people hate their jobs as much as the writer seems to think, but I do think that there's a general feeling of uneasiness about what is happening and that people are mostly working for money and not always because they believe in what they're doing. It seems like the common answer to this is 'you failed at life, so you deserve to be micromanaged by idiots for a pathetic salary, now you'd better like it or we'll pump you full of drugs that will MAKE you like it'.

It's actually borderline Orwellian-- and the idea this is actually happening and we're not alarmed because it's been 'normalized' is also terrifying. I would have to agree that society should be aiming towards bringing out the best in people and allow us all to shine, not squashing us down and telling us that anyone who doesn't like it is insane. Even things like 'progress' aren't as important as empowering us all... but at the same time it feels like the number of changes we would have to make is so intimidatingly large that it all feels futile.

Yeah, I'm depressed.

Fuck you, OP.

 

[muir]

Before I even watch that video I see the Masonic symbol and balk. Having been in a family where my father was a Grand Lodge Master, I would ask you...do you think Masons to any extent have anything to do with how countries or the world is run as a group?

We all have connections to these groups because they are so prevalent in our society

The system of control is a coercive hierarchical pyramid though. It is completely COMPARTMENTALISED. Only the people at the top know what the plan is.

Lodge Grand Masters are not at the top of the pyramid, they are quite far down the pyramid. Most regular masons are unwitting dupes who believe that they have joined a fraternal order that gives to charities where they can socialise and improve their business prospects but that is only at the bottom of the pyramid. Further up the pyramid the high priests in the inner sanctum know what the real agenda is

There are various masonic offshoot organisations that are more overtly occult even in their lower grades. These groups tend to attract people who are emotionally wounded. They often take in people who are looking for a surrogate family or father figure.

Their credo is the credo of what they would call 'the strong' but what is in essence: the predator.....might is right, survival of the strongest (ie the most ruthless), dog eat dog. Everyone is vying to be the alpha male. Compassion is not an aspect they are interested in.

Freemasonry is far more watered down. To get to the esoteric grades you have to pass through many lower grades. You are assessed as you progress and if they feel you are the right kind of material (ie controllable or lacking in emotional empathy) then they will promote you (but not to the top....that is for the priest caste families)

Most freemasons won't even get beyond the 3rd degree. They are seen as neophytes or in spermagnostic circles as mere sperm. Anyone outside the order is called the profane or goyim (cattle) because they are the predators preying on the unsuspecting

All their symbols and veils are dust in the eyes of the profane

One signature of theirs is that they INVERT everything. So instead of the truth they will tell lies. They will pretend to be one thing when in fact they are another (like a wolf in sheeps clothing)

In magickal terms they are black brothers....by this i mean they repress things. Their anger is repressed and manifests in many deceitful and damaging ways.

A freemason in the UK called Jimmy Saville who was knighted by the queen and had many friends in high places was a procurer of children for these people to be used in their sex magick rituals. he is know believed to be Britains most prolific sex abuser with 200 cases pending and over 30 confirmed rapes. He was however only a procurer for these people...a fixer....and indeed in a sick ironic inversion almost designed to mock the profane he was the host of a childrens show called ''jim'll fix it'' where he fulfilled the requests of children such as visiting a zoo or whatever

He was known to give a lot of money to charities and to be involved in charity raising events. All these scandals only came out after he died because the police and the media sat on all the information they were being fed by the public. The freemasonic network protected their own

So to answer your question more directly....the freemasons are just one part of a network of secret societies which are all populated by the aristocracy and royals of europe and the corporate elite of europe and the US. Also in the network is the catholic church which has worked closely with the royals of europe to keep their pyramid of control for centuries. The catholic church has its own secret society offshoots for example the knights of st john, opus dei & the jesuits

All influential people are initiated into this secret society network or if they oppose it they are assassinated. For example there are 4 members of the knights of st john on the board of Barclays bank.

The Italian mafia was created by a 33rd degree mason called manzini. To be a part of 'our thing' you must take oaths to maintain omerta/secrecy because secrecy is the greatest tool of the elite. if the profane ever break down the walls of secrecy the el-ite will lose their power

The Ku Klux Klan is part of the network as is the nation of islam as all groups are played off against each other to keep everyone divided. The KKK's leader is called the grand dragon

The high priests...the brotherhood of the snake.....feed off the fear and suffering of humanity. Always again and again reptiles are taken as their symbol.

 

[muir]

I just cant help but feel this conversation is lopsided. Its like swimming in a murky pond and believing that because you cant see below the surface, there must be something horrible in there with you.

The videos you provide all lend support to what you are saying but where are the videos that dispels them? I can find any number of videos online telling me how alien cover up is real and making a good case for it because they WANT you to believe it. But I can find just as many videos that debunk those videos.

I really believe you are putting to much faith in humans to come together and work for any length of time in a way that would keep it secret from the public for any length of time. You say its not secret but it clearly is because if not, where is the outrage from the public? Why is it only the few minority who becomes outraged?

I'm not going to touch on the 'alien' isue here

My angle here is the psychopathy thing.....because this is a thread about insanity and i want to outline how our sick society is created by insane people. i also want to illustrate that the reason the system is medicating so many people is to control them and that they are increasing their DSM categorisation of 'disorders' to encompass all human behaviours so that they can deem anyone they don't like to be mad under any pretext

 

[muir]

So the russian issue....

The international bankers (behind the federal reserve bank) wanted to open up russia so that they could move in and control it. They backed the bolsheviks who then crushed another faction in the russian revolutionary movement the mensheviks

The bolsheviks then launched a reign of terror killing their opponents including the russian royal family

This was all coordinated by the freemasons

Trotsky had come to the USA and met there with jewish masonic group B'nai Brith. He received funding from the jewish banking fraternity that owns the federal reserve bank. These groups all conspired to train exiled russians to be revolutionaries that would return to russia, overthrow the government and then form a government that would allow the bankers to come in and exploit their markets

They also provided a banking loan to the Japanese enabling them to then attack Russia and defeat their navy. This loan was brokered by jewish banker Jacob Schiff (his father was a broker for the rothschilds): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacob_Schiff

Juri Lina has written a number of books about all this. His documentaries such as ''Under the sign of the scorpion'' can be found online. Here's his website:

http://jyrilina.com/english/

 

[Faye]

I am not surprised if this is true.

I think that mental illness is the body's response to specific physiological problems, and these medications typically treat the symptoms, not the causes, of the problems. Because the body's natural response is disabled, the person is able to continue the behavior that led to the problem and make it even worse.

 

[SoulPatcher]

Alright, as quickly as I can - obviously, you don't believe in brevity...

Does McDonalds operate efficiently at selling burgers?

If you worked in McDonalds you might say there are inefficiencies and difficulties between departments but as an overall organisation it does what it sets out to do very well. In fact it is also a successful real estate manager owning properties in the centres of cities and towns across the world.

A good example - they have a million competitors who are pushing them away from what they're supposed to be best at.

They started the business, they are nowhere a monopoly. They were a monopoly for a couple of years maybe. If for a moment you venture into the so-called real world, you'll discover that Subway, not McDonald's, is a No. 1 fast food chain. Next?

No i don't subscribe to that. YOU are trying to project what YOU want me to be doing onto reality instead of listening to what i am ACTUALLY saying.

OK, so let's look at what you're "ACTUALLY saying".

You're saying that: X (media, freemasons, bankers, Illuminati, etc.) controls everything. That there is an "octopus" (one entity, right?) that does it. That someone (in fact, many people) are capable of: A. Planning things for decades or even centuries. B. Agreeing with each other. C. Keeping insanely complex, ambitious plans in secret for decades.

Right? A yes or no answer would be greatly appreciated.

Price DOES have an effect on consumption.

Yes it does, but not necessarily a defining one.

This is the crucial point here that the el-ite know but many of the public don't: humans are NOT rational creatures, they are creatures capable of rational thought For a large part humans are emotional beings. Emotions affect how people perceive things.

I think it's common knowledge.

So you say responsibility lies with the individual....i would say yes but only as far as that individual has not been brainwashed and manipulated and is able to actaully think for themselves

Nah. This way you can avoid responsibility, saying "oh but my parents / school / government educated me so".

The binge culture was created by the ready availability of cheap booze.

This is oversimplification.

Societies don't just get 'bent' on things they are manipulated into them. For example a famous culturally created aspect would be the 'protestant work ethic'. Here pressures were put on people from the pulpit which themselves were centrally administered by the control structure of the church which itself is linked intimately to the monarchs

An interesting piece of info, but again, oversimplification. It's always a combination of policies, geography, social factors, history.

Why do you think there is such a drinking cutlure in Russia? The russian people have suffered a huge amount.

Skipping the insanely uninformed claims on Russian / Soviet history (please get a quick primer from real historians): the culture of drinking is centuries old, again it's a combination of many things. This is really common knowledge.

Everyone suffered, not everyone resorted to drinking. Also note that the same policies (pricing and otherwise) have been applied throughout USSR and before it in Russian Empire, yet Russia remained the most drinking place.

Humans are not automatons regulated by pricing policies.

 

[muir]

Alright, as quickly as I can - obviously, you don't believe in brevity...
A good example - they have a million competitors who are pushing them away from what they're supposed to be best at.

I think youre being a little unfair there. I wouldn't say that any of my words are superfluous. I'd say my posts are pretty packed with info...but moving on

The corporate network is all inter locking and integrated. So people who own shares in one will own shares in others and also people will sit on multiple boards. Politicians when they retire from politics will often be given a job by the corporations that funded their political campaigns....its a revolving door situation

So there is not as much competition as it might appear. There are also price fixing scandals ALL the time eg between the supermarkets. The banks conspired together to rig the LIBOR rates. The construction companies were caught price rigging and they have also conspired to build a database (black list) of any workers involved in trade union activities which they can block from work

The corporate network, run by the investment class which are really the top 1% in the wealth stakes....hence all the occupy protests against the 1% coordinated their efforts through various forums. They are competely intermeshed with the political class

One of the major forums in the US is the Council on Foreign Relations. This has its sister body in the UK known as Chatham House for short. Here is a list of the corporate members of the CFR, please check it out:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_of_the_Council_on_Foreign_Relations

The president does not rule the US, the CFR rules the US. Every president must go and pledge fealty to the CFR and must speak at their meetings

Here is a clip of US politician Ron Paul expalining about the CFR and the ideological struggle going on behind all the media stories that the public are largely ignorant about (its not necessarily their fault they are just not being given good info by the corporate media and they are being too trusting of the source of their information)

Paul speaks a coupla minutes into the clip:

[video=youtube;Q4L7GKSfsDQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4L7GKSfsDQ[/video]

They started the business, they are nowhere a monopoly. They were a monopoly for a couple of years maybe. If for a moment you venture into the so-called real world, you'll discover that Subway, not McDonald's, is a No. 1 fast food chain. Next?

If you go far up enough the corporate food chain you will find everything merges at the top. If you go high enough up the secret society network you will find they all merge at the top. If you follow the money up the banking system you will find it all merges at the top

There are a range of fast food high street restaurants that give an appearance of diversity but they are just repackaging corn syrup and GMO's with different sauces. The money behind these joints all comes from the same corporate network and financiers

A walk through a new shopping centre in a city i hadn't been to in about 10 years got me thinking recently how cheap food is being used as a drug to soothe the worker drones....its also causing weight problems for a lot of people, cos its just so calorific

OK, so let's look at what you're "ACTUALLY saying".

You're saying that: X (media, freemasons, bankers, Illuminati, etc.) controls everything. That there is an "octopus" (one entity, right?) that does it. That someone (in fact, many people) are capable of: A. Planning things for decades or even centuries. B. Agreeing with each other. C. Keeping insanely complex, ambitious plans in secret for decades.

NO thats not exactly what i said but it is getting closer!

They DO NOT control everything but they DO exercise a huge level of influence within certain countries. They probably do not agree on the details but they DO agree on the overall plan which is to create a world government run by them (bankers and industrialists) as Platonic Magician kings

...and NO they have not managed to keep their plans a secret. In fact many people have spoken out about their plans but the public are mostly listening to the corporate media which is NOT telling people about the plan. Many of the worlds problems occur because people listen to the wrong people.

Here is a US politician speaking on the TV about the plan of the CFR. Shortly after the commercial plane he was flying on crashed with the loss of everyone on board over Alaska. The official line was that the soviets shot it down, but he was the only US politician to have been killed in action in the cold war. Two of his political opponents were supposed to be on board the flight but they were diverted at the last minute:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BPhYEFGaGM

Right? A yes or no answer would be greatly appreciated.

the answer would have to be no then as you have not accurately described my position

Yes it does, but not necessarily a defining one.

Price is a very important factor. Another key factor is one i've already outlined in this thread which is the emotion of the consumer. Many people drink because they are not happy. They are not happy because the society the investment class have created is not one that makes many people happy and healthy

I think it's common knowledge.

No i disagree. I alo think that it is one thing to know something and another to truely understand it. The point being that i don't beleive that most people are aware of quite how irrational they are a lot of the time

Nah. This way you can avoid responsibility, saying "oh but my parents / school / government educated me so".

This was the lesson that Plato was passing down with the cave analogy of people being chained in a cave. Images were projected on the wall in front of them by a objects passing in front of a fire behind them. Because this is the only world they know they have no knowledge of the wider world. One of the people escapes and sees outside the cave and realises that there was a whole lot more to reality than they had originally realised

Is it the fault of the people who have been chained in the cave from birth that they don't know what is going on outside the cave and are not able to therefroe take responsibility for what goes on outside the cave

The reality here is that some people know what is going on and some people don't. Only those that know can really be responsible. The public is being kept in the dark

This is oversimplification.

The people weren't happy in the industrialising world and had been uprooted and suffered a cultural genocide so they were in a negative emotional state, but the supplying of cheap alcohol by the investment class enabled the depressed workers to binge on alcohol as an escape from their suffering which cooled the fires that might otherwise have been directed at the ruling class (french revolution style)

An interesting piece of info, but again, oversimplification. It's always a combination of policies, geography, social factors, history.

I didn't say it isn't i just gave one example of the factors which is the protestant work ethic. This is exactly what i ACTUALLY said:

For example a famous culturally created aspect would be the 'protestant work ethic'.

Skipping the insanely uninformed claims on Russian / Soviet history (please get a quick primer from real historians): the culture of drinking is centuries old, again it's a combination of many things. This is really common knowledge.

Suffering is centuries old

Perhaps you can tell me which thing i've said about russian history is untrue?

Oh and a wee word about 'common knowledge'.....watch out for that one...common knowledge isn't always correct. remember how common knowledge used to be that the world was flat or that the earth was at the centre of our solar system?

Everyone suffered, not everyone resorted to drinking. Also note that the same policies (pricing and otherwise) have been applied throughout USSR and before it in Russian Empire, yet Russia remained the most drinking place.

Humans are not automatons regulated by pricing policies.

I have never said humans are automatons regulated by pricing policies....i'd apreciate it if you didn't try to put words in my mouth and instead listened to what i'm actually saying

Different geographical areas have tended to make different alcohols depending on climactic conditions. mediteranean areas have tended to grow grapes and make wine, norther european areas have tended to grow grain and make liquer. eastern europe has made vodka out of potatoes....a pretty brutal drink for a harsh climate

 

[Eventhorizon]

We all have connections to these groups because they are so prevalent in our society

The system of control is a coercive hierarchical pyramid though. It is completely COMPARTMENTALISED. Only the people at the top know what the plan is.

muir - You seem to have a good mind but I believe its being compromised by things you want to believe in. My father WAS at the top or at least, almost as high as you can go. Even if he wasnt, why join any group if you only get to know whats really going on when you become the absolute head of it? That defeats the whole purpose. Also, how can you direct your minions (the whole reason people would seem to want to join the Masons) to do things without them knowing what they are doing or asking questions about it? Its like me joining the Boy Scouts because I like being outdoors only to one day become a scout leader and find out the Boy scouts are really all about world domination when I get high enough up in the chain of command. Just doesnt make any sense.

I am not saying dont ask questions, dont contemplate if their are people working together for specific goals that are not beneficial to people outside of those groups. Believing in something and using only information that supports what you want to believe will never give you the truth about anything though.

Example, one day you state, "I have found out which group is controlling the President!" I say, "Thats nice but I have found out who is controlling THAT group." On and on never ending. No one ever being able to prove one way or the other who is really controlling who.

I think in large part people want to believe something big is going on behind the scenes because it makes us humans seem more intelligent and "knowing" than we really are. Like there is some big plan when all thats really happening is that people want money and power and it just doesnt get any deeper than that.

Ill remind you of one thing everyone forgets on a daily basis. Today you could be hit by a car and die. End of story. You might be 10, you might be 70. Time in this life is finite. The groups you elude to would have to be centuries old and have an agenda that lasted as long. No one cares enough about anything to continue a "tradition" for that length of time with the exception of some religious organizations and those are nothing more than induced brain washing gone awry. If churchs cant control the world, no one can. Church once controlled vast areas but never the world. Churchs...NO ONE... will ever control the world and have a secret agenda that remains secret. Is the US goverment doing things behind the peoples back? Yes, obviously. But nothing deeper than the love of power and money. Of speaking and watching people jump. People can be presented with fact, with logical thinking and still cling to their religion for fear or hope of what they will receive in an after life. Nothing else is that powerful and in the end, the church doesnt really have that much power over world events.

Aliens? Hell no. All we have as proof are lights in the sky. Proof there are no aliens? If Joe Biden ever got wind of Aliens do you think he could keep his mouth shut about it? Hell no, he loves attention way to much not to go to the nearest media outlet and tell them everything.

Nope. We are a small spec of dust in the vast ocean of space.
While you clearly have an intelligent mind I believe it is mired in paranoia. Free it and look for the truth no matter how difficult it is to accept.

 

[muir]

muir - You seem to have a good mind but I believe its being compromised by things you want to believe in.

Thanks.....

Concerning to what extent my mind has been compromised.....i believe that i don't know fully or rather understand fully yet the nature of our reality and to that extent i am walking through existence in a very innocent state

But so is everyone else.....the difference is that some people don't realise how little they know. I'm happy with not knowing everything...exploring things gives me something to do with my existence!

Here's a nice quote by a very smart guy:

I do not know what I may appear to the world, but to myself I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the sea-shore, and diverting myself in now and then finding a smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary, whilst the great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me - Isaac Newton

My father WAS at the top or at least, almost as high as you can go.

I sincerely doubt that

The top is not in our physical realm. The top of the physical realm is said to be things like the council of 13 and outwith that the council of 300

Even if he wasnt, why join any group if you only get to know whats really going on when you become the absolute head of it?

ooooh lots of reasons. You might not realise that there are levels above you. You might want to belong to a community. You might have an interest in the occult. You might be drawn in by the mystery of it all. You might want to imporve your business connections. You might have perfectly well meaning perceptions that it is about your spiritual growth. You might want to get out of the house sometimes but don't want to potter about in a shed at the end of the garden etc

That defeats the whole purpose. Also, how can you direct your minions (the whole reason people would seem to want to join the Masons) to do things without them knowing what they are doing or asking questions about it? Its like me joining the Boy Scouts because I like being outdoors only to one day become a scout leader and find out the Boy scouts are really all about world domination when I get high enough up in the chain of command. Just doesnt make any sense.

Lol funny you mentioned the boy scouts...i think they are part of the masonic network lol

Once again at the bottom level it is all perfectly innocent.....guys learning woodcraft and stuff and going camping thats all good stuff. The germans have school for very small kids wehere they just go and play in the forest and learn a respect for nature....i think that's a great idea

I know it was all set up by baden powell, but the thing about the network is that they want to control the flow of information to the minds of the public so if there is anythin that is becoming popular that has any influence over the public at all the network will want to control it.

The symbol of the scouts is the fleurs de lis:

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The fleur de lis is a royal symbol said by some to represent the royal bloodline.

In the UK had a school shooting a number of years back in a small village in scotland called Dunblane. As a result of this tragedy the government outlawed the owning of hand guns and an armistace was declared for the handing in of all hand guns.

The guy that carried out the shooting was a freemason and a scout master and a peodophile. To own guns in this country you have to get a licence from the police. There had already been complaints about this individual and he had already got a criminal record yet this was all overlooked because of his masonic connections.

So there was an 'investigation' into all this after the shooting. The judge placed to head this was asked if he was a freemason and he replied he wasn't. However it was later revealed that he is a member of a very exclusive masonic offshoot called 'the speculative society' in Edinburgh that claims it is just a 'debating club'!

This judge placed a 100 year gagging order on people surounding this case thereby shutting down the investigation and whitewashing the whole thing.

I am not saying dont ask questions, dont contemplate if their are people working together for specific goals that are not beneficial to people outside of those groups. Believing in something and using only information that supports what you want to believe will never give you the truth about anything though.

That's not what has happened though. I did not come up with a hypothesis and then set out to prove it. I started out thinking like you and then i learned things that increased my awareness; that awareness has grown and has continued to grow allowing me a clearer and clearer image of what is going on.

What happens with this process is that all the events in the news that before were seemingly unrelated and a mystery all begin to make sense. Its like being given a cipher to a code. Everything falls into place so elegantly that it becomes clear that indeed this paradigm is the correct one

I would hope that it is obvious from my posts that i know a fair bit about all this stuff.....so i am here as a person that is not ignorant of all these things telling you that freemasonry is part of a larger secret society network

Example, one day you state, "I have found out which group is controlling the President!" I say, "Thats nice but I have found out who is controlling THAT group." On and on never ending. No one ever being able to prove one way or the other who is really controlling who.

The truth would be that all those groups merge if you follow them up the chain and that the people at the top of that chain ARE controlling the president lol

I think in large part people want to believe something big is going on behind the scenes because it makes us humans seem more intelligent and "knowing" than we really are.

Nope i have learned new things because i accepted that i do not know. The people who do not evolve their perceptions are those that cannot get over their pride....they believe they already know everything

Like there is some big plan when all thats really happening is that people want money and power and it just doesnt get any deeper than that.

In that clip i posted ron paul presents it as an ideological struggle between two groups

One group does not like big government. This group wants to preserve the constitution because the constitution was written by people who had just throw off big government in the form of the british empire (controlled by central bankers)

One of the things the new american state did was to create its own currency 'colonial scrip' so that it was not controlled by the central bankers

Since then US history has been a struggle between the bankers and the people over the control of the money supply. There have been a number of central banks that have come and gone. The current one came into existence in 1913 with the passing of the federal reserve bill. This bill took the control of printing money off the government treasury department and put it into the hands of the private bankers who owned the federal reserve.

These private bankers print money for the government in return for a government bond. but every dollar that is printed has interest attached which is why the US is in so much debt. It is a debt based system because the borrower is subserviant to the lender

Here is what Amschell Rothschild of the rothschild banking dynasty had to say about this approach:

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes the laws."

If you control the money supply and set the interest rates then you control the economy. if you control th economy you have everyone including the government by the balls. In fact everyone including the government goes into debt to you; you then get richer and richer as the interest they are paying you accrues...l.its money for old rope...or to use another term 'its daylight robbery'

Its so blatant a theft that it lead industrialist henry ford to say this:

“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and money system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning.”

So what do people who have got control of a government do next with their lives? Well they start thinking 'why don't we get control over the governments and money supply of other countries?' ...and so they set out to centralise their power even more.

This has been incorrectly called a 'communist plot' but these guys are not really commuists. They are state socialists...they want a centrally controlled economy/society that they will control and they want that on a global scale

Ill remind you of one thing everyone forgets on a daily basis. Today you could be hit by a car and die. End of story. You might be 10, you might be 70. Time in this life is finite.

Yes all the more reason to share information so that it doesn't get lost to humanity

The groups you elude to would have to be centuries old and have an agenda that lasted as long.

Yes they are centuries old. the rothschild banking dynasty has been banking for centuries, bound by family bonds they have also intermarried with other banking families

The catholic church has been around for a very long time as has freemasonry. Some trace freemasonry back to egypt, sumer or even atlantis! Scottish rite freemasonry is centuries old and the York rite dates itself back to the 900's....that's over a thousand years old

No one cares enough about anything to continue a "tradition" for that length of time with the exception of some religious organizations and those are nothing more than induced brain washing gone awry.

Ok well what is unchanging in humanity? I have a lot of debates here with different personality types. It has become clear that some types seem to be less compassionate than others. Different types then may develop a sense of kinship around their shared view of things. then another constant is psychopathy which is passed down genetically

If churchs cant control the world, no one can. Church once controlled vast areas but never the world. Churchs...NO ONE... will ever control the world and have a secret agenda that remains secret.

The church is only one arm of the octopus. new arms develop all the time to adjust to us as we adjust. If the church fails then they will create mass media instead

Their agenda i not a secret. many people have spoken about it....its just that the majority of people get their information from the corporate media and that has been set up to uphold the lie

Is the US goverment doing things behind the peoples back? Yes, obviously. But nothing deeper than the love of power and money. Of speaking and watching people jump. People can be presented with fact, with logical thinking and still cling to their religion for fear or hope of what they will receive in an after life. Nothing else is that powerful and in the end, the church doesnt really have that much power over world events.

Sure it does. It exercises its influence thorugh many means. For example it controls large amounts of wealth that it invests in things it wants to promote. The church still holds a grip over many peoples minds. The pope recently drew hundreds of thousands of people to a beach in Brazil. I've stood in a packed st peters square and seen the pope. I've seen sombre catholic ceremonies where sinister hooded preists carry effigies through the town in front of rapt audiences. i've seen people crying and shaking as they pray on bended knee in front of a crucifix....that spell is still strong in many places

The next move though is ecumenisism. A new world religion for a new world order. Catholicism will look to merge with other religions into a new synthesised religion for the jaded masses

The church also exercises a lot of power behind the scenes for example through the knights of st johna nd the jesuits which infiltrate other organisations

Aliens? Hell no. All we have as proof are lights in the sky. Proof there are no aliens? If Joe Biden ever got wind of Aliens do you think he could keep his mouth shut about it? Hell no, he loves attention way to much not to go to the nearest media outlet and tell them everything.

Joe Biden has been conditioned from a young age to keep secrets. He has sworn terrible oaths that he must not break on fear of death

As i say i'm not touchingon the alien issue here

Nope. We are a small spec of dust in the vast ocean of space.

We sure are...amazing isn't it?

Its our birth right...our collective birth right...not the brith right of a ruthless few

While you clearly have an intelligent mind I believe it is mired in paranoia. Free it and look for the truth no matter how difficult it is to accept.

"Paranoia is only the leading edge of the discovery that everything in the world is connected." - `The Illuminatus Trilogy'

"Paranoia is reality seen on a finer scale." - Philo Gant, Strange Days

"Paranoia is knowing all the facts." - Woody Allen

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Crap muri now I cant tell if you are joking or not. If you arent..live your life as you will but... I hope you arent the type to sit around worrying all day about the conspiracys around you.

Concerning my father and his position... I dont like the implication that you think I have said something thats incorrect. You are implying there is a whole level above what he knew about. My father was one position away from the last one there was in this nation. You dont get any higher after that. Doubt all you like but thats just fact. If you want to know something of the Masons, who they are and what they are about.... join them. Its not that hard and then you can use knowledge instead of speculation and heresay when you discuss it.

 

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Crap muri now I cant tell if you are joking or not. If you arent..live your life as you will but... I hope you arent the type to sit around worrying all day about the conspiracys around you.

I enjoy life but i do care about whats going

I'm being serious but sometimes you have to laugh in the face of it all

Concerning my father and his position... I dont like the implication that you think I have said something thats incorrect. You are implying there is a whole level above what he knew about. My father was one position away from the last one there was in this nation. You dont get any higher after that. Doubt all you like but thats just fact.

No it isn't a fact. Here's some charts of various hierarchies:

If you want to know something of the Masons, who they are and what they are about.... join them. Its not that hard and then you can use knowledge instead of speculation and heresay when you discuss it.

I know what they are about

Joining them is a way for them to then fill your head with info that you will then need to give your interpretation of to your lodge brethren. If they like what you say you go up the ranks...its a very old vetting process

Then when you go up they will tell you to forget what they told you before as that was not the real truth and to instead take in some new info which you will then need to shed when you move higher again

If you climb high enough you will learn about qabalah

 

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I enjoy life but i do care about whats going

I'm being serious but sometimes you have to laugh in the face of it all



No it isn't a fact. Here's some charts of various hierarchies:

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I know what they are about

Joining them is a way for them to then fill your head with info that you will then need to give your interpretation of to your lodge brethren. If they like what you say you go up the ranks...its a very old vetting process

Then when you go up they will tell you to forget what they told you before as that was not the real truth and to instead take in some new info which you will then need to shed when you move higher again

If you climb high enough you will learn about qabalah

You dont know what they are about, only what you have heard. You dont take the time to actually learn about what you talk about.

You are also calling me a liar. Someone who has a vast amount more factual information on the Masons then you do. The one saving grace here is you would have to assume that what I am telling you is true but any sane person would question someone on the internet giving them information and telling them to accept it as fact. However this IS what is happening here and I can tell you now. The information you have on the Masons, how they are built and run is as incorrect as it can be. I am telling you now that since you are concerned with what is happening in the world, before you move forward youll want to get factual information concerning what you are talking about and at least in how the Masons are concerned, you currently have none.

It is here that I also will tell you that I will not entertain your musings on how the rest of the world works from here out. You live in paranoia for no good reason. Your arguments are based solely on speculation and what you WANT to believe, not what is real. You and people like you are one of the problems in the world, you are by no means part of the solution.

I am not attempting to hurt you or put you down. You simply talk as if you know about something when you really have no clue.

I wish you luck in your life.

 

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You dont know what they are about, only what you have heard. You dont take the time to actually learn about what you talk about.

I take plenty of time to learn

You are also calling me a liar.

No i'm not

Someone who has a vast amount more factual information on the Masons then you do. The one saving grace here is you would have to assume that what I am telling you is true but any sane person would question someone on the internet giving them information and telling them to accept it as fact.

Yeah what i'm hoping is that you will go and research what i've talked about

However this IS what is happening here and I can tell you now. The information you have on the Masons, how they are built and run is as incorrect as it can be. I am telling you now that since you are concerned with what is happening in the world, before you move forward youll want to get factual information concerning what you are talking about and at least in how the Masons are concerned, you currently have none.

Well....i'll give you some information in my next post and you can see if you think its wrong

It is here that I also will tell you that I will not entertain your musings on how the rest of the world works from here out. You live in paranoia for no good reason. Your arguments are based solely on speculation and what you WANT to believe, not what is real. You and people like you are one of the problems in the world, you are by no means part of the solution.

It is very difficult to assimilate a completely new paradigm in the space of single conversation

First we know something and then we have to allow it to sink in so that we can understand it

I am not attempting to hurt you or put you down. You simply talk as if you know about something when you really have no clue.

I wish you luck in your life.

I wish you luck in yours too

 

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The following is only understood by the poeple at the top of the order and not all masons should be seen as part of the following current on a conscious level

The freemasons are a solar phallic cult

They wear an apron over their penis as that is the holy of holies

They use pyramids and obelisks as these are phallic symbols

There are two pillars to the door to solomons temple. One is strength and one is mercy. The third pillar is the initiate who stands between them bringing balance to the two forces

The problem with freemasonry is that it is not balanced. It is only the strength pillar, the masculine pillar.

That is why it is a male only order because it is about male mysteries.

It is part of a patriarchal, male orientated, domineering, controlling and hierarchical current

They are the kings of edom....unbalanced force

Most masons however are blissfully unaware of the wider implications of the order