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Article on the AIPAC pressure by Gilad Atzmon:

http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/aipac-is-a-grave-threat-to-world-peace.html

[h=2]AIPAC Is A Grave Threat To World Peace[/h] Friday, September 6, 2013 at 10:33PM Gilad Atzmon


By Gilad Atzmon

Israeli Ynet reports tonight on AIPAC’s relentless efforts to push America into a war.
“Though US Congress is pressured by the American public to vote against a US military intervention in Syria, Israel’s most ardent supporters in AIPAC urge Congress representatives to vote in favor of an intervention”.
Ynet writes that in the past Israel has “refrained from pushing US into war, and Jerusalem and AIPAC have thus far kept silent regarding Syria, but in recent days Israel decided to voice its support of an attack.
Ynet reveals the operative plan. “Some 250 Jewish leaders and AIPAC activists, intend to storm the halls on Capitol Hill beginning next week to persuade lawmakers that Congress must adopt the resolution authorizing US strikes against Syria.”
For the first time in modern history, in the open, the Jewish Lobby together with the Jewish State are pushing for a war that can easily escalate into a global conflict. Yet, I am slightly perplexed, as to whether these warmongers grasp what could be the consequences of such a war: do these Jewish campaigners really want to bear responsibility for the death of many innocent people? Can’t they see that they pressure the American Congress to act against the will of the American people? Are they still concerned with antisemitism, because their acts can bring total disaster on their fellow Jews
Watching the scale of the Jewish pro war campaign should lead us to consider the possibility that Jewish politics (not just Israeli politics) is a grave threat to world peace.
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The Wandering Who? A Study Of Jewish Identity Politics, available on Amazon.com & Amazon.co.uk
 
Voice from the people to John McCain:

[video=youtube;l2H8XDIJ2yE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=l2H8XDIJ2yE#t=33[/video]
 
Iraq veteran explains to McCain that he does not have the support if the military:

[video=youtube;Ij25Yhx7EGY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Ij25Yhx7EGY#t=159[/video]
 
McCain asked why we should trust his judgement in suria when he has been photographed in the guardian newspaper with known terrorists:

[video=youtube;jo9Nmeyz5lo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jo9Nmeyz5lo#t=131[/video]
 
Article looking at how some seemingly left wing commentators avoid some of the big issues for example Noam Chomsky:

http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/jeff-blankfort-on-zio-con-wars-palestine-and-paul-jay.html

[h=2]Jeff Blankfort on Zio Con wars, Palestine and Paul Jay [/h] Friday, September 6, 2013 at 1:31PM Gilad Atzmon
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Following is Jeff Blankfort's email to Paul Jay (The Real News Network) after reading his 'deconstruction' of my work. Jeff allowed me to publish his straight forward and illuminating text.

Paul,

I am writing this late in the evening because I am now only just getting to my email having spent a good part of the day watching the House Foreign Relations Committee hearings on the Syrian war resolution, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee meeting to vote out their own pro-war resolution, and most of an hour and three quarter CSPAN recording of a Jewish Inst. of National Security Affairs panel, featuring Dennis Ross, and chaired by the NY Post's Morty Zuckerman, which focused on the importance of attacking Syria on Israel's behalf because "we" need to send a message to Iran that it will be next. That was a recurring theme in all the hearings.

What does this have to do with your refusal to give Gilad a chance to respond to Max Blumenthal's vilification of him on TRNN?

Quite a bit because, you see, none of what I have written, none of what went on today, will be commented on by the leading Jewish spokespersons of the Palestine solidarity/antiwar movement, Noam Chomsky, Phyllis Bennis, and Norman Finkelstein. In the tradition of Left Jewish activists, they will continue to ignore what was described in yesterday's NY Times (until it was pulled from its online edition), "the 800 pound gorilla in the room," namely AIPAC.
Paul, I have been active on the Palestinian issue since spending 4 1/2 months in Lebanon and Jordan in 1970, and the biggest obstacles to my work has not been AIPAC or the ADL, which I successfully sued, but Jewish leftists, from the members of the Communist Party and fellow travelers who were ready to lynch me then they heard I had been with the Palestinians, to all of the left groups, CP, Line of March, Socialist Workers Party, Socialist Action, etc., who combined their efforts to keep the Palestinian issue off of the movement agenda during two major marches in 1985 and 1988, the first in opposition to US intervention in Central America and the latter, for "peace, jobs, and justice," four and a half months into the first Intifada.

Whereas Jewish activists were prominent in the Central American movement and instrumental in getting Congress to vote down $15 million for the Contra (at a time when Israel was getting that much from the US every day), every effort to raise the issue of stopping aid to Israel was blocked by the Jewish activists who dominated the movement groups.

It continues to this day. In 2011, at what was billed as Move Over AiPAC, several of us were on a panel on AIPAC, the only one in the two day conference and our large room was packed with every seat taken, and we only got the panel through the help of a couple of the panelists in taking care of the logistics.

In 2012, at OccupyAIPAC, we were not invited back but were able to have an expanded panel at the same church venue, after Occupy's program had finished and fortunately a good number from that conference stayed on to hear us. This year, they turned us down cold, leaving no space or time for us. The eminence gris behind all three events was Bennis, a very clever and articulate speaker who is to "damage control" for the Lobby on the activist side what Chomsky is in the guru department. Neither will debate the issue because, as both have written, "it wouldn't be useful." To whom, they didn't say. Eleven years ago Bennis, who I have known for years, told me the issue of the lobby was "dead." They will not acknowledge, for example, that Congress is "Israeli Occupied Territory," something that is a given in Washington, and so they continue to peddle what is essentially AIPAC propaganda, that the US supports Israel because it is a strategic asset.

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I know of or am acquainted with a half dozen former CIA analysts. While they don't agree with each other on every issue, they do agree that Israel is a liability not an asset to the US, from every way you look at it. But you will never hear them asked to speak about it on Democracy Now! Have they been interviewed about in on TRNN?


When Mearsheimer and Walt wrote their book on the Israel Lobby, Amy Goodman, very unprofessionally, instead of interviewing one or both of them, brought on Chomsky (who obviously hadn't read it) to dis their work. Have you, BTW, interviewed either one of them about it?

Reading Gilad's book put it all together for me. The problem with all these folks was that they are Jewish tribalists. Whether they think of themselves as that or not is irrelevant. They have been so inculcated from childhood with the belief that Jews are the world's eternal victims and eternal scapegoats, that they will not accept colelctive Jewish responsibility for anything. Which is why they have to blame first British and later US imperialism for the success of Zionism refusing to acknowledge, for example, that both the 48 and 67 wars, the two major events in the history of the Israel-Palestine conflict, were launched by Jews and supported by the majority of Jews around the world without any imperial power pushing or guiding their way.

Today, with the American Jewish establishment uniquely supporting both an attack on Syria and on Iran, unless it kneels down before the only nuclear power in the Middle East, it is more than appropriate to analyse and criticize the Jewish role in US and European politics, it is absolutely necessary to do so.

Gilad is a pioneer in this field and understandably what he has to say and write will make people uncomfortable, and not only Jews. Palestinians like Abunimah who have been colonized by Jewish activists fail to realize the movement that Jews have been heading has been an utter failure by any measurable standard, both in Palestine and the US. That it has been largely Jewish led accounts for that sad fact in no small measure.

All that being said, I think you have an obligation, as a responsible, ostensibly progressive journalist, to allow Gilad to answer Blumenthal on TRNN. Otherwise, I will conclude that my hunch that the whole interview with Blumenthal was actually set up to "get" Gilad was correct.


Jeff Blankfort
 
The guy who blew the whsitle on the NSA before snowden says the intelligence services are running the country not the government:

[video=youtube;d6m1XbWOfVk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=d6m1XbWOfVk#t=401[/video]
 
[video=youtube;cCdaExnIpGs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cCdaExnIpGs[/video]
 
Col. Wlikerson says chemical weapons attack in syria might be a false flag by the israeli government:

[video=youtube;QFHTR-WHkIQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QFHTR-WHkIQ[/video]
 
there was a plan before the chemical attacks in syria to create a false flag situation using chemical weapons. this clip shows the story in a mainstream UK newspaper which talked about a plan for a false flag chemical weapons attack BEFORE the attack happened:

[video=youtube;Xrxl8nA9Arg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xrxl8nA9Arg[/video]
 
[video=youtube;AqId142X9NE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AqId142X9NE#t=39[/video]
 
who controls our media:

[video=youtube;-d0N8UdrbDE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-d0N8UdrbDE[/video]
 
[MENTION=1871]muir[/MENTION], I think AIPAC is a lobby. Some call them axiomatic, some call them ideologic, some call them Bible thumpers: They are a group that I do not see as trying to denigrate world peace. They understand war will be coming Israel's way either directly or indirectly through the Syrian Civil War crisis. They are lobbying to bring about what they see as the best outcome for those that support them. Are they so unlike other lobbies? No, they are not.
 
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@muir , I think AIPAC is a lobby. Some call them axiomatic, some call them ideologic, some call them Bible thumpers: They are a group that I do not see as trying to denigrate world peace. They understand war will be coming Israel's way either directly or indirectly through the Syrian Civil War crisis. They are lobbying to bring about what they see as the best outcome for those that support them. Are they so unlike other lobbies? No, they are not.

YES they are, they are totally different from other lobbies

Other lobbies lobby to be able to exploit arctic tar sands, or to be able to advertise tabbacco in various places or for government legislation in their favour and they lobby for things WITHIN the USA
AIPAC is an ISRAELI lobby which is lobbying...not for the right to be able to put advertising billboards at sports games but to get the USA into war

This is serious business. We are talking about a conflict which has already cost many lives but if the US weighs in will see untold damage to the infrastructure of syria and to the civilian population. Thats not to mention the danger of widening conflict across the region and of dragging Russia and China into the conflict as well

This is not in the best interests of the USA, heck its not even in the best interests of Israel as it will not make israelis safe seeing the middle east degenerate into conflict and chaos


Israel is WITHOUT the USA not WITHIN (well in theory anyway)

So it is not the same as other lobbies it is totally different. It is the lobby group of another country and it wants to take you into war

Scott Ritter explains this very clearly in this shirt 3 minute clip:

[video=youtube;O125hGt9qt4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O125hGt9qt4[/video]
 


http://theinternetpost.net/2013/07/19/the-federal-reserve-cartel-the-eight-families-2/


The Federal Reserve Cartel: The Eight Families

July 19, 2013 by kristalklear

The Federal Reserve Cartel: The Eight Families
The Four Horsemen of Banking (Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup and Wells Fargo) own the Four Horsemen of Oil (Exxon Mobil, Royal Dutch/Shell, BP and Chevron Texaco); in tandem with Deutsche Bank, BNP, Barclays and other European old money behemoths. But their monopoly over the global economy does not end at the edge of the oil patch.
According to company 10K filings to the SEC, the Four Horsemen of Banking are among the top ten stock holders of virtually every Fortune 500 corporation.[1]

So who then are the stockholders in these money center banks?
This information is guarded much more closely. My queries to bank regulatory agencies regarding stock ownership in the top 25 US bank holding companies were given Freedom of Information Act status, before being denied on “national security” grounds. This is rather ironic, since many of the bank’s stockholders reside in Europe.

One important repository for the wealth of the global oligarchy that owns these bank holding companies is US Trust Corporation – founded in 1853 and now owned by Bank of America. A recent US Trust Corporate Director and Honorary Trustee was Walter Rothschild. Other directors included Daniel Davison of JP Morgan Chase, Richard Tucker of Exxon Mobil, Daniel Roberts of Citigroup and Marshall Schwartz of Morgan Stanley. [2]

J. W. McCallister, an oil industry insider with House of Saud connections, wrote in The Grim Reaper that information he acquired from Saudi bankers cited 80% ownership of the New York Federal Reserve Bank- by far the most powerful Fed branch- by just eight families, four of which reside in the US. They are the Goldman Sachs, Rockefellers, Lehmans and Kuhn Loebs of New York; the Rothschilds of Paris and London; the Warburgs of Hamburg; the Lazards of Paris; and the Israel Moses Seifs of Rome.

CPA Thomas D. Schauf corroborates McCallister’s claims, adding that ten banks control all twelve Federal Reserve Bank branches. He names N.M. Rothschild of London, Rothschild Bank of Berlin, Warburg Bank of Hamburg, Warburg Bank of Amsterdam, Lehman Brothers of New York, Lazard Brothers of Paris, Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York, Israel Moses Seif Bank of Italy, Goldman Sachs of New York and JP Morgan Chase Bank of New York. Schauf lists William Rockefeller, Paul Warburg, Jacob Schiff and James Stillman as individuals who own large shares of the Fed. [3] The Schiffs are insiders at Kuhn Loeb. The Stillmans are Citigroup insiders, who married into the Rockefeller clan at the turn of the century.

Eustace Mullins came to the same conclusions in his book The Secrets of the Federal Reserve, in which he displays charts connecting the Fed and its member banks to the families of Rothschild, Warburg, Rockefeller and the others. [4]
The control that these banking families exert over the global economy cannot be overstated and is quite intentionally shrouded in secrecy. Their corporate media arm is quick to discredit any information exposing this private central banking cartel as “conspiracy theory”. Yet the facts remain.


To read about each of the banking houses visit the site linked above
 
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Some people seem to misstakenly think 2 things:

1. That the US had no plan to go into Syria before the chemical weapons attacks
2. That AIPAC and Israel had no intention to get involved until recently

However the Israelis have been flying bombing raids into syria already for months. They have done this a number of times. Israel has already been attacking syria. There are many videos online showing this

And to show how missguided the first view is is a clip here of a 4 star general telling the world before the syrian crisis of the long term plan of the US to attack a number of countries one of which was syria. This is part of a plan to attack 7 countries in 5 years. yet it seems to me the US american public are sick of war. So how are they going to keep dragging them into wars to achieve this? (probably more false flags and lies)

These countries the US and Israel have attacked including: Iraq, Afghanistan, libya, Egypt (through regime change) and now Syria are all part of a zionist plan to destabilise the region

This is for a number of reasons. One is to secure access to oil in the region at a cheap price. And the other is because the rothschilds who are at the centre of zionism want to takeover Iran who doesn't yet have a rothschild run central bank

No doubt if they acheived that they would give iran the gifts they have given to us in the west:

poverty
crime
mental health problems
unemployment
debt servitude
status anxiety
government surveillance
police state
divided societies
unequal societies
corruption
alienated populations
malaise
soulessness
etc

Here is General wesley clark telling about the plan to attack 7 countries in 5 years:

[video=youtube;9RC1Mepk_Sw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw[/video]
 
We will deal with tomorrow as the world turns. We see many people trying to avert escalating the war in Syria. It is unfortunate that is not the only, or biggest, problem(s). May you have a rested and clear mind tomorrow.
 
[video=youtube;8UbMG03DkJQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UbMG03DkJQ[/video]

Could be....
 
[video=youtube;RJpeyN_zt4Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJpeyN_zt4Y[/video]
 
Ah so we have moved onto the interdimensional entities aspect!

I'm still wanting to hear more about the neanderthal angle there @Stu

Perhaps you can tie the neanderthals, the fallen angels and the interdimensional entities into one coherent narrative?

So going back to the more mundane layer of the goings on in the world right now. I want to say a few things about some of the players involved

Essentially the rothschilds are the bankers to the old money families of Europe. Thye have always been 'court jews' ie in the royal courts of europe. They are bankers for the royal families of europe and for the 'black nobility' of europe who are old money aristocrats with links to the catholic church

These el-ites in europe have always believed that they have a right to rule over the rest of us. They called this 'the divine right'. They are saying they have authority from a higher power to rule over us. So what is that 'higher power?'

These el-ites have controlled freemasonry and use it as a way to extend their power and to destroy rivals. Just as Freud identified two forces within the human psyche as eros and thanatos, the el-ite draw totemic energy from both sex and death

We know the el-ites have waged wars, have tortured, crusaded, burned people at the stake, raped and pillaged. We also know the catholic church has done these and also carried out the inquisition and also wide spread sex abuse. These groups are all bound together by secret societies like freemasonry and also through their use of the double sided coin of sex and death

This urge amongst the el-ite is seen most starkly when they have resorted to outright public human sacrifice. They are working with the energies of sex and death. War also is a pure manifestation of these impulses

In my country they built their churches on the pre-existing leyline system of standing stones which are an ancient energy grid. Even today many of their castles are on leylines and even today they hold sex magick rituals on the leylines. This is where ideas of the devil being at the crossroads comes from....a crossing of leylines. To do this they stamped out any traces of a pre-christian shamanic culture

All the stories of childrens bodies found under castle or church floors....is because of what these poeple have been getting upto. Even today new stories are emerging of abuse in institutions which have been run by the authorities and/or the catholic church. Scandals such as the jimmy saville scandal go right to the top of british society. The freemasons within the police are desperately trying to cover all this up but more and more of the public are speaking out

It is all about raising certain energies and then working with those energies. if you are a strict materialist you might say they are simply doing it to get off on the power. No doubt they are getting a buzz from it. if you are of a more spiritual view you might believe that they are feeding something with the energies

So anyway lets tie in the royal families, bankers and freemasons into the syria situation

The rothschilds have with a group of other banking families created a central banking system in the west. They print money for our governments with interest attached. This has the result of making our government and subsequently us in debt to them. This is not necessary as the government treasury is legally allowed to print interest free currency and has done many times in the past. In fact the Hungarian government has just thrown the rothschild controlled IMF out of their country and the rothschild banks and are now printing their own debt free money. The US and UK and Israel could ALL do this as well if their public demanded it

The rothschilds however send out their paper money with its magickal sigil on it (the eye above the pyramid) and they not only get back the interest but they draw energy from it to on an energetic level. By handling their money we give power to them and their debt based system

The paper fiat money isn't backed by anything except our agreement to go along with it. They require us to go along with their debt system of our own free will

As well as owning the central banks the rothschild banking cabal also own the big 4 oil companies. So they have a number of interests in the middle east.

They have found willing families to act as royal families in various gulf states. For example saudi arabia and qatar. What do you see in these countries? The same you see in the european royal countries: inequality, corruption and sex and death meted out on the population in an orgy of violence and repression and fetishised torture

The muslim brotherhood are formed from the Grand Lodge of Cairo. They have freemasonic origins. Freemasonry supports royalty. The MB want a strict sharia law which can be used to suppress populations. The MB have strong links to the qatari royalty. The qatar royalty sent many mercenaries which they funded to syria to fight against the assad regime because assad is not a royal, he is a nationalist and nationalists don't like big foriegn corporations coming in to exploit their resources....they like to nationalise NOT privatise so the bankers hate them

The qatar royalty are allied to the rothschild controlled US and Israel. These countries help protect the royal family that control qatar in return for cheap oil and the sale of weaponry.

Hamas is also linked to the muslim brotherhood and israel helped to create hamas. So we have a freemasonic link to hamas through the muslim brotherhood and the rothschild dominated israel

The saudis want a greater degree of control in the region so when the egytpian army through out the muslim brotherhood the saudis paid vast sums of money to bribe officials in the new military regime in egypt. Qatar lost influence then in egypt. The saudis have also sought to take more control in syria. They have threatened the russians with terrorist attacks telling the russians that the saudis control many of the terrorists in the middle east and in chechnya; they have massive oil wealth which they use to fund terrorism

Obviously we all know about the links between saudia arabia and 911

Saudi arabie is an ally of the US because the US gets cheap oil and in return protects the saudi royal family for example from its own workers who don't get to share the nations oil wealth

So what you have is freemasonic, rothschild controlled countries like Israel, USA, UK propping up corrupt royal familes in the middle east which blocks the spread of democracy and which helps the spread of state sponsored terrorism

These countries then use these terrorists to play their little games. For example they use them to topple nationalistic leaders like qaddafi and they are using them to try and topple Assad

Iran is not controlled by the rothschilds. Its banks are not controlled by the rothschilds. The rothschilds therefore seek to use the US military as its tool to takeover iran. They meddled there before when they used the CIA to topple a democratically elected leader in 1953. Syria however is an ally of Iran.

So the countries dominated by the rothschild central bank system are seeking to isolate iran by destroying her allies one by one

The russians are not controlled by the rothschilds and neither are the chinese so they don't want to see countries fall under the control of the rothschilds. This is why they are supporting iran and syria

There are many countries that are opposed to the rothschild debt based system. The emerging economies of Brazil, Russia, India, china & south africa (the BRICS nations) are all seeking to trade outwith the control of the rothschilds system

The rothschild system with unbacked paper fiat currency at its core is about to collapse. The dollar is going to collapse

The rothschilds see a way that they can maintain control. They want a collectivised system under a centralised government, or what people in the west would call 'communism' (except true communism is the stage beyond centralise government)

They want a state run system where everyone is dependent on the state. They have financially supported many thinkers, philosophers and activists who have helped them move everyone towards this goal

You can see this tug and pull in politics all the time if you look between the lines.

When the dollar collapses the rothschilds and their allies will try to use that as an opportunity because the public will be terrorfied and won't know what is going on. This is then the perfect time for them to offer their solution which is a more globalised government, a more globalised currency and of course it will all be run by them

However there are many who also see this as an opportunity to overthrow the rothschilds and there is talk of a second american revolution to throw out the bankers.

This is why the DHS is militarising the police, buying bullets, legalising indefinate detention of US citizens, pushing the surveillance of the public, flying drones over the US, increasing police stop and searches, trying to introduce ID cards, passing the NDAA which defines the USA home soil as a battlefield and so on

They are getting ready for a conflict

It seems the war for the american public is NOT in syria, it is in their own back yard. People will be faced with a choice. Do they want to submit to a centrally controlled system where they will have no democratic say in things or will they defend the constitution which was created to protect them from the international bankers?

The war in syria is not in the interest of the US public...it is a rothschild war being fought to extend the powers of the central bankers.

Now if you subscribe to the parasitic demonic thing...then what better situation to create negative energies to feed on then a war? These guys sure do like to take us to war don't they?

Have a look at this chart to see how many wars the rothschild controlled USA has been involved in since 1945 (central bank 'federal' reserve was created in 1913) compared to Iran which is not controlled by the Rothschilds:
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Russia has offered a solution to the syrian crisis. They have said assad should hand over all of syrias chemical weapons to international control

This would side step the USA excuse for war which is to stop the use of chemical weapons

However this may drive the rothschild cabal to even more desperate acts to justify the war they so desperately want

They make stage a false flag attack in the USA to try and get the support of the US public or they might get the mercenaries they control in syria to fire chimical weapons at Israel from within government controlled territory as this RT article discusses:

[h=1]RT sources: Syrian rebels plan chem attack on Israel from Assad-controlled territories[/h]
http://rt.com/news/syria-rebels-chemical-attack-israel-618/