The Minimal Facts for the Resurrection of Christ.

QuickTwist said:
I will debate anyone on this. As long as we can keep it civil, I will address your arguments when I have time.
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Except you didn't keep it civil. Your thread was dishonest. You presented it as a debate thread, but as soon as I disagreed with you, you began accusing me of one thing after another, and you made it clear that your accusations weren't because of what I said or did, but because this is what Paul says about unbelievers. You kept pigeonholing me, and pigeonholing me.

Here is the truth. You don't like people who aren't Christian. Further, you think that their not being Christian justified you in being nasty to them, or even crossing the line into emotional abuse, for no other reason than you think "this is the truth." It's been a long, long time since I've run into a Christian as judgmental and prejudiced as you are.

What you didn't count on is that I simply don't put up with abuse. I gave you multiple chances. Your chances are now used up. You are permanently gone from my life. I'm quite certain you aren't going to miss me.
 
meowzician said:
Except you didn't keep it civil. Your thread was dishonest. You presented it as a debate thread, but as soon as I disagreed with you, you began accusing me of one thing after another, and you made it clear that your accusations weren't because of what I said or did, but because this is what Paul says about unbelievers. You kept pigeonholing me, and pigeonholing me.

Here is the truth. You don't like people who aren't Christian. Further, you think that their not being Christian justified you in being nasty to them, or even crossing the line into emotional abuse, for no other reason than you think "this is the truth." It's been a long, long time since I've run into a Christian as judgmental and prejudiced as you are.

What you didn't count on is that I simply don't put up with abuse. I gave you multiple chances. Your chances are now used up. You are permanently gone from my life. I'm quite certain you aren't going to miss me.
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Only problem with that is you were making assumptions about me before I said anything against you. Go read the first couple pages... You said,

meowzician said:
I find it truly strange that you think people convert for gain. I have made a study of why people convert from one faith to another, and there are many different reasons. But I've never run across personal gain being one.
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But, I get it. You don't want to be called out. Some people can handle being called out and some people can't. I've had lots of people call me out on things in this thread. I don't hold it against them at all. I expect it.
 
meowzician said:
Except you didn't keep it civil. Your thread was dishonest. You presented it as a debate thread, but as soon as I disagreed with you, you began accusing me of one thing after another, and you made it clear that your accusations weren't because of what I said or did, but because this is what Paul says about unbelievers. You kept pigeonholing me, and pigeonholing me.

Here is the truth. You don't like people who aren't Christian. Further, you think that their not being Christian justified you in being nasty to them, or even crossing the line into emotional abuse, for no other reason than you think "this is the truth." It's been a long, long time since I've run into a Christian as judgmental and prejudiced as you are.

What you didn't count on is that I simply don't put up with abuse. I gave you multiple chances. Your chances are now used up. You are permanently gone from my life. I'm quite certain you aren't going to miss me.
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I wanted to debate the resurrection of Christ. No one else wanted to do that...

I am pretty sure I said explicitly that I was going based on what you said. When I appealed to Paul, it was because it was relevant to the conversation.

I don't have a problem with non-Christians. I'm sorry if you think me disagreeing with people's ideas and behaviors is abusive. IDK what to say to that...

IDK why me saying things you don't like is abusive. Yes, everyone sins. Yes, I want people to know that. Yes, it is core to Christianity (for orthodox Christians). No, I don't hate you or anyone else on this forum.

When Ezekiel talks about the bride being cut up into little pieces in Ezekiel 16 is literally in the Bible, talking about Jews, whom I love, and you say I am being abusive because I said you are prideful it just shows that you can't take criticism, honestly. Not everyone is good with criticism.

But, I am "abusive..." There's some extremely harsh language in the Hebrew Bible, so I have no idea where you get off thinking I am being abusive...
 
Coincidentally, @meowzician , the tone of your speeches changes based on:

who you are facing

whether or not the current speaker accepts your vision

whether you start with personal attacks (like with Quick from the very beginning of the thread)

whether you preach something that you yourself are unable to follow

whether you manage to refute the other person's initial thesis with further "sophistries," without ever reaching a logical conclusion (meaning one that is backed by facts or consistent. You lack both. This is not an insult, it is an objective fact necessary for the purpose of this analysis)

whether you believe your sophistries can make someone else look ignorant

And this is just regarding your attitude. The fact that you have such a grudge against Quick, and that you treat him this way, makes me wonder.


-Giammarco
 
QuickTwist said:
I don't think they hold a grudge against me. I think it's probably the first time in a long time anyone has called them out on anything and they are sensitive to that.
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let's wait for the reply, then I think we can have an idea of what is really happening

-Giammarco
 
Akar said:
let's wait for the reply, then I think we can have an idea of what is really happening

-Giammarco
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I don't expect them to reply to me again at all. They might respond to others in this thread, but I would doubt they would want to be part of this thread at all atp.
 
Akar said:
Coincidentally, @meowzician , the tone of your speeches changes based on:

who you are facing

whether or not the current speaker accepts your vision

whether you start with personal attacks (like with Quick from the very beginning of the thread)

whether you preach something that you yourself are unable to follow

whether you manage to refute the other person's initial thesis with further "sophistries," without ever reaching a logical conclusion (meaning one that is backed by facts or consistent. You lack both. This is not an insult, it is an objective fact necessary for the purpose of this analysis)

whether you believe your sophistries can make someone else look ignorant

And this is just regarding your attitude. The fact that you have such a grudge against Quick, and that you treat him this way, makes me wonder.


-Giammarco
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I didn't have a any grudge against Quick until it became clear that he was prejudging me based on Paul's writings rather than getting to know me. At that point it became clear that his hostility was not do to any poor wording on my account, but directly from his own imagination. I had nothing against him for the longest time.

Disagreeing with someone, even passionately, is NOT evidence that you "have a grudge."

I don't put up with people informing me what I "really feel/think/experience." Something to consider before you respond.
 
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meowzician said:
I didn't have a any grudge against Quick until it became clear that he was prejudging me based on Paul's writings rather than getting to know me. At that point it became clear that his hostility was not do to any poor wording on my account, but directly from his own imagination. I had nothing against him for the longest time.

Disagreeing with someone, even passionately, is NOT evidence that you "have a grudge."

I'm don't put up with people informing me what I "really feel/think/experience." Something to consider before you respond.
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Calling someone an abuser is not a disagreement, but outright defamation. Sophistry aside, can you please address the substance of the matter: how is 'your intolerance' towards another individual and their way of experiencing faith in any way acceptable?

-Giammarco
 
meowzician said:
Here is the truth. You don't like people who aren't Christian. Further, you think that their not being Christian justified you in being nasty to them, or even crossing the line into emotional abuse, for no other reason than you think "this is the truth." It's been a long, long time since I've run into a Christian as judgmental and prejudiced as you are.
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This point is clearly demonstrated in multiple threads.
 
Akar said:
how is 'your intolerance' towards another individual
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Right. Because repeatedly saying that I'm fine with him being Christian (and meaning it) is "my intolerance." Bye Akar.
 
QuickTwist said:
@Fruiteloop,

I just think you have a very low view of sin. As such, how are you supposed to view God as big and grand if it's just that people make mistakes but no real evil is done by people? I don't understand you, honestly. You would probably have sympathy for a serial killer. I'm not joking. That's the way you come across to me. It seems to me that you have such empathy for other people that what people actually do is never actually that bad. This means your view of God is faulty. You don't see God as the being said of Him, "Holy, Holy, Holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was and is and is to come." My view of myself is impacted directly by my view of God. I view God as a being who cannot in anywise tolerate moral imperfection. He is so perfect and so pure that it makes us look like Satan compared to Christ. I'm using hyperbole, but you get the point.
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You have no heart.

You hate yourself so you hate others.

You condemn then on your own whims.

I am not naive I know what sin is and you have no idea.

This is not about understanding sin its about you not understanding the message of Christ.

9 Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord’s disciples. He went to the high priest 2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem. 3 As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”

5 “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked.

“I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied. 6 “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”
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Think about this. You are not able to comprehend that people change and are can be good natured.

You believe people are 100% evil.

This prejudice is wrong and comes from self-hatred.

You do not know God or you'd see that people and yourself need love.

You think I approve of murder and sin and whatnot because you have low social intelligence for some reason.

Hopefully you can change in the future and not be against people for no good reason.

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Serious question:
Is Jesus partaking in a slice considered blasphemous
Let's assume it's vegan and whatever else dietary necessary
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Wyote said:
Serious question:
Is Jesus partaking in a slice considered blasphemous
Let's assume it's vegan and whatever else dietary necessary
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No, because amore is salvation from mori.

Cheers,
Ian
 
Wyote said:
Serious question:
Is Jesus partaking in a slice considered blasphemous
Let's assume it's vegan and whatever else dietary necessary
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aeon said:
No, because amore is salvation from mori.

Cheers,
Ian
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Wait, wait... given how coherent this thread has become, can I ask a very important question? Based on everything that's been discussed, do you think it's important to know the location of the fuse panel?

-G
 
Akar said:
Based on everything that's been discussed, do you think it's important to know the location of the fuse panel?
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1. one cannot know, but one can understand
2. for someone, certainly, and I am not that someone

Cheers,
Ian
 
meowzician said:
Except you didn't keep it civil. Your thread was dishonest. You presented it as a debate thread, but as soon as I disagreed with you, you began accusing me of one thing after another, and you made it clear that your accusations weren't because of what I said or did, but because this is what Paul says about unbelievers. You kept pigeonholing me, and pigeonholing me.

Here is the truth. You don't like people who aren't Christian. Further, you think that their not being Christian justified you in being nasty to them, or even crossing the line into emotional abuse, for no other reason than you think "this is the truth." It's been a long, long time since I've run into a Christian as judgmental and prejudiced as you are.

What you didn't count on is that I simply don't put up with abuse. I gave you multiple chances. Your chances are now used up. You are permanently gone from my life. I'm quite certain you aren't going to miss me.
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FWIW, I should not have said that it was merely a debate thread and then deviated from that.

So, it was wrong of me to say it was merely a debate thread when that's just not how I typically approach discussions.

People are messy, including me. I make mistakes. I still think what I actually said is true, but if I represented it with false advertising, then I must apologize for that.
 
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