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USDA Compliance Guideline for Controlling Salmonella in Poultry, May 2010

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    Why? :becky: Because it's soooo sexy, and I don't want to pollute Enty's thread anymore. (sorry for doing that) and I, for one, demand to know the truth about chicken standards.

    And there's even a PDF, which you can read! http://www.fsis.usda.gov/PDF/Compliance_Guide_Controling_Salmonella_Campylobacter_Poultry_0510.pdf

    According to official USDA guidelines, the highest acceptable amount of salmonella present in chickens is 5 birds out of 51 testing positive for salmonella. That's 9.8%.

    (As for Noam Chomsky, that one is going to take a while, and he's quite the informative read. But I've got the information on the chickens, anyway.)
     
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    Well, does testing positive mean it saturated with salmonella, or is some sort of biological 1 parts per million sort of thing? Is there some sort of thresh hold for testing positive, meaning that you have to have so much of it before it a positive? Cause if over 90% of birds have 0 salmonella, thats amazing.
     
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    Shai Gar's US-bashing based on false propaganda, exposed for the lies that they are! :becky:

    Not that he doesn't have a point, mind you. :wink:


    good work,
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    I don't know what the infection threshold is or how they measure it; I think it may be explained in that PDF somewhere. All I can say is that the USDA Food Safety and Inspection Service website is not pleasant ( http://www.fsis.usda.gov/). If you want to learn about the most sanitary way to eviscerate a chicken, that link has everything you wanted to know, and it probably talks in more detail about just how many individual salmonella organisms constitute testing positive.

    I live but to serve. [​IMG] Exposing Shai is just a fringe benefit. Still trying to find some enslaved South Americans to do my laundry, however. (Point taken, nonetheless, I know, I know Agribusiness sucks, buy locally and organically, yadda yadda yadda... I'm all about that.)
     
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    but... I don't wanna read it.
    Can't you just tl;dr it for me? :D

    Kidding, I'll read it but not right now. Then I'll come back if I find anything XD.
     
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    DoveAlexa, this is also going to haunt me until I know the answer, dammit.

    Here's one thing I found:

     
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    Hahaha, I must have a strong stomach today, I'd go for a chicken burger if offered! Usually I get turned right off on that though XD.
    I guess that means if there is any on the bird, even a tiny bit, it's a positive. Considering the salmonella comes from bird feces then its a lot worse to have it get on the bird than if salmonella was a skin type bug. Its also less forgivable but I still think 90% without salmonella is amazing. I assumed ALL birds had salmonella on them!
     
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    I'm having a chemgasm flipping through that file. I'll spare you the details though.
     
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    Aw but why? I like nerdy details!
     
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    I got my information from discovery science. I said that in the thread.

    What are the punishments for not following guidelines, how rigorously are the companies tested by the government and can you tl;dr the proofs that these birds are properly tested?

    Everything i have heard about us slaughterhouses is that they fight violently against the humane slaighter act whenever it rears its head.
     
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    How binding is a Government guideline?
     
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    I assume it's about as binding as our section 31 of the constitution with regards to the UNDHR after being signed and ratified.

    IOW, not at all.
     
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    I have no idea. Crap, now I have to find out.

    There are lots of chicken farms near me; it's true, they are a powerful lobby, and may or may not be properly tested/regulated. They certainly don't want consumers to get sick, and I am aware of several cases where some were shut down. So there is some punishment, at least... I can say that.

    I imagine that other countries also have powerful agriculture lobbies who have a vested interest in discrediting the us slaughterhouses. I would not be shocked if less-than-ideal practices are international rather than solely in the US, and that some of this bad press is driven more by companies worldwide wanting to sell their own chickens rather than their competitors'.
     
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    No actually, your country is not like every other nation with lobbies. I worked in a slaughterhouse and we had an AQIS (quarrantine inspection) on site, no meat went out without their inspection and they were everywhere on the production chain. Food does not get sold here without AQIS's approval.
     
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    But then, Australia is anal about its quarantine. :m122:
     
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    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ--faib7to&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube- Undercover Investigation at Hy-Line Hatchery[/ame]
     
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    No wonder the us is against the humane slaughter act. That's far worse than I imagined. I didnt really think it was that bad, bad, but not that bad.

    Shows me for giving the us the benefit of the doubt...
     
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    And....

    Bringing to you, straight from the UK, a glimpse at international chicken production practices, thanks to You Tube:

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glFySsTDsjo"]YouTube- The Broiler Industry[/ame]

    It's not just the US, Shai. What do you do in Australia, massage them to sleep before you slaughter them? Riiiiight. So sorry I ever gave you the benefit of the doubt.
     
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    I do not find this comforting at all.


    And Shai, the way animals are treated and slaughtered in the U.S. CFOs is as grotesque as it gets.
     
  20. Shai Gar

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    I have killed chickens before. It's done humanely.

    How it's done professionally I do not know yet. But I challenge everyone to dig up dirt on my nation so that I can see the log in our eyes too.
     
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