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Donald Trump touted the benefits of waterboarding in a campaign rally on Monday night, telling a crowd that "you bet your ass" he would bring it back into use.

Addressing thousands of people in Columbus, Ohio, the Republican frontrunner praised waterboarding, an interrogation method that has been called torture. "I would approve more than that," he said.

Trump told supporters: "Would I approve waterboarding? You bet your ass I would. In a heartbeat. I would approve more than that. It works."

The Republican frontrunner then added "… and if it doesn’t work, they deserve it anyway for what they do to us".
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Have you personally ever experienced torture prior to fair trial or other well tested and long established "impartial" procedures of "justice" that many people in society recognise as necessary to maintaining general order among human beings? If so, can you describe your experience of torture? Did it hurt, and did you scream or cry? What was the aftermath of that torture? Did you experience any chronic pain as a result of tortures that had been inflicted on you? Was the functioning of your organs (aside from the functioning of your brain) observable as altered in any way, following the tortures inflicted on you? How would you describe the effect of the torture on your ability to hold a job and provide for yourself and any dependents you may have, to relate to others in your family and acquaintance, and generally function according to the expectations of society?

Maybe you have not experienced torture yourself, but you may have been close to someone who has experienced it. Was there anything about their ability to function in a normal or expected way that you noticed had changed after they had been tortured?

What do you think Trump is referring to when he says "more than that"? What are some examples of things that he could mean? Could he be referring to rape, which is often described as one of the most commonly perpetrated "war crimes"? Or maybe he is thinking about attaching electrodes to the genitalia of those selected as suitable for torture, and electrocuting them until they sustain some burns at the site where the electrodes are attached? It's just very difficult to figure out what he means by "more than that", so I'm just trying to imagine what kinds of things he could mean... since there are so many different kinds of violence that could be considered to be "torture". Maybe he just means a more gentle type of torture, something like strangulation?

What does it mean that Trump stated that torture is effective, and then subsequently stated that it doesn't matter whether or not it is effective? It almost seems as though he was "correcting" himself, as though he realised that he had "lied" when he said that it "works". Did he realise that he had "lied", or was he "covering up" after himself for some other reason?
 
He's a complete barbarian. He brings out the absolute worst in America. He stands for the worst of America. I'm legitimately afraid for my child's future that this megalomaniac demagogue could be president. Everything he says and stands for is garbage and I'm embarrassed to be American because of him.
 
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Tell us all something we don't know about him. This is the worst election I've witnessed and the candidates make up several complete lunatics, a couple of fraudsters and many other god-lovers. American people, you'd honestly be better off voting for Carly Fiorina. She is the only candidate who doesn't seem like a complete liar, a complete god-lover or a complete deluded utopianist.
 
JJJA said:
Tell us all something we don't know about him. This is the worst election I've witnessed and the candidates make up several complete lunatics, a couple of fraudsters and many other god-lovers. American people, you'd honestly be better off voting for Carly Fiorina. She is the only candidate who doesn't seem like a complete liar, a complete god-lover or a complete deluded utopianist.
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It is the beginning of the complete breakdown of American society. That is why those on the extreme ends of the spectrum are as popular as they are.
 
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He's a complete barbarian. He brings out the absolute worst in America. He stands for the worst of America. I'm legitimately afraid for my child's future that this megalomaniac demagogue could be president. Everything he says and stands for is garbage and I'm embarrassed to be American because of him.
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In the context of this particular matter, I can understand why you would be afraid for the future of your child, because his approach to it is so filled with uncertainty. The issue of torture is clearly very important, because laws have been passed against it. And yet the candidate is comfortable assuming that these laws will be somehow undone, so that torture is once again possible. How the laws will be undone, and the consequences with the international community for the revisions of the law, is not clear. What kinds of torture will be permitted, are also very unclear. Whether or not torture will achieve any meaningful purpose is not clear either, and the candidate seems to realise that it is not clear. So I think that when the candidate is comfortable approaching something as important as this so blithely and with such a profound lack of clarity, it seems natural that there would be many other very important areas of policy that would be as unclear. The future with Trump seems so uncertain.

I'm truly not meaning to insult anyone at all by saying this, but what I find most striking about the candidate is what appears to be a very limited range of educational outcomes that he has achieved for himself. He seems to be unable to approach important issues with coherent thought or with consideration to complex or multiple perspectives. He does not seem to have understood the possibility that alternative perspectives can be valid, or to have internally obtained the ability to apply alternative theoretical perspectives to complex issues. His education appears strikingly rudimentary. It is easy to imagine that he has never read a book, his literacy is so stunted.
 
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In the context of this particular matter, I can understand why you would be afraid for the future of your child, because his approach to it is so filled with uncertainty. The issue of torture is clearly very important, because laws have been passed against it. And yet the candidate is comfortable assuming that these laws will be somehow undone, so that torture is once again possible. How the laws will be undone, and the consequences with the international community for the revisions of the law, is not clear. What kinds of torture will be permitted, are also very unclear. Whether or not torture will achieve any meaningful purpose is not clear either, and the candidate seems to realise that it is not clear. So I think that when the candidate is comfortable approaching something as important as this so blithely and with such a profound lack of clarity, it seems natural that there would be many other very important areas of policy that would be as unclear. The future with Trump seems so uncertain.

I'm truly not meaning to insult anyone at all by saying this, but what I find most striking about the candidate is what appears to be a very limited range of educational outcomes that he has achieved for himself. He seems to be unable to approach important issues with coherent thought or with consideration to complex or multiple perspectives. He does not seem to have understood the possibility that alternative perspectives can be valid, or to have internally obtained the ability to apply alternative theoretical perspectives to complex issues. His education appears strikingly rudimentary. It is easy to imagine that he has never read a book, his literacy is so stunted.
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I agree with you on this. It's like a Family Guy episode. He's the most unintelligent of the bunch, yet the most favored. I've yet to hear him actually lay out a plan. His plan on illegal immigration is to force Mexico to pay for a wall. So far, that's the only sort-of plan he's laid out on anything. Sounds like a bad joke except people take him seriously! He is serious! He panders to the lowest common denominator, uneducated, poor, angry, white males. He actually said, "I could shoot someone and not lose voters." He is not rational. Biff from Back to the Future was literally based on Donald Trump. That is what we are dealing with.
 
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Trump is a liar…he’s a salesman and a narcissist and a sociopath.
Don’t believe me….listen to him tell you himself.

[video]https://www.facebook.com/MauriceWEvans/videos/977454615654590/?pnref=story[/video]
 
YOU’RE ALL GETTING TROLLED!!! ^^^^
(and yet he’s winning…*facepalm*)
 
I can't wait for Donald trump to make America great again. #trump2016
 
This notion of imitation is closely tied to that of the trickster figure. The trickster is a universal figure that can be found in folktales and myths of nearly all cultures. These tricksters can be characterized as follows:

[they] are always marginal characters: outsiders, as they cannot trust or be trusted, cannot give or share, they are incapable of living in a community; they are repulsive, as – being insatiable – they are characterized by excessive eating, drinking, and sexual behavior, having no sense of shame; they are not taken seriously, given their affinity with jokes, storytelling, and fantasizing.
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[video=youtube;WOF03ZAuemE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOF03ZAuemE[/video]

In the context of liminality, the trickster is a very dangerous figure: “in a liminal situation where certainties are lost, imitative behavior escalates, and tricksters can be mistaken for charismatic leaders”. This means that in their search for guidance, the individuals caught in the liminal situation might choose to follow a trickster, whom they confuse with a charismatic leader capable of “saving” them. Liminal periods that affect entire societies are characterized by the absence of a “master of ceremonies” (the leadership figures that are supposed to lead the initiands out of the liminal phase), which can in turn lead to the rise of tricksters into positions of power. When a trickster enters into a position of leadership, “liminality will not be restricted to a temporary crisis, followed by a return to normality, but can be perpetuated endlessly”
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In any normal situation, the trickster would not be able to gain any appreciation from others, but in a crisis situation (which, as an outsider, the trickster has no emotional connections to), “might come up with a rational way of ‘solving’ the crisis by turning things into his own image”. It is precisely in these situations that “schismatic doubling and copying are escalated, and the erratic, even repulsive, becomes normal”. Once others become aware of the true nature of the trickster’s behavior, it “becomes a genuine problem as a trickster character cannot be altered, so there is genuinely no solution”. It is also not possible for the trickster figure to be punished, as “punishment is only meaningful if there is a chance of correction and improvement, which is hopeless in the case of a trickster character”.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liminality
 
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[video=youtube;WOF03ZAuemE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOF03ZAuemE[/video]




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liminality
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I would be really curious what his true and honest thoughts are about the average american person…also what he really thinks about those who are following him now blindly, and I say blindly because one has to turn a pretty big blind eye to his record on business or social issues.
 
Also….WTF Evangelical Christians?
How can you support such a person who is so contrary to the teachings of the Bible and Jesus and not be a big fat hypocrite?
 
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Also….WTF Evangelical Christians?
How can you support such a person who is so contrary to the teachings of the Bible and Jesus and not be a big fat hypocrite?
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It seems a lot of Christians are Christians in name and appearance only. It's been this way for a very long time. There's a whole industry that revolves around wealth being a sign of God's blessings despite directly contradicting Jesus' teachings.

Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God. -- Matthew 19:24 New International Version
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It seems a lot of Christians are Christians in name and appearance only. It's been this way for a very long time. There's a whole industry that revolves around wealth being a sign of God's blessings despite directly contradicting Jesus' teachings.
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Not to mention the demonization of the poor…be it directly, or through voting someone into office that cuts social services to the most vulnerable.
 
JJJA said:
Tell us all something we don't know about him. This is the worst election I've witnessed and the candidates make up several complete lunatics, a couple of fraudsters and many other god-lovers. American people, you'd honestly be better off voting for Carly Fiorina. She is the only candidate who doesn't seem like a complete liar, a complete god-lover or a complete deluded utopianist.
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She's not in the election on anymore as of a few weeks ago.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/...-fiorina-drops-out-of-white-house-race-219095
 
Sorry but Sanders has my vote…Hillary to me represents the corruption that all the rest of the candidates on the right represent only on the left. (With the exception of Trump, he’s just flat out lying to everyone ((see my above post and video)).
Voting for a democratic socialist does not make the country automatically socialist people.
It just means the priorities are of a more humanist approach.
 
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