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There is an Alternative to Capitalism

Things are better now in the USA than in 1905 I hope you realize, unpersons! There's a fun article on the history of messianic social movements penned by Murray Rothbard, an anarcho-capitalist. They are always trying to create a Kingdom of God on Earth (KGE), and here is just one paragraph from the thirty page piece:

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Thus, one disturbing aspect of the KGE is the preparatory purgation of the host of human sinners. A second problem is what the KGE is going to look like. As we might imagine, KGE theorists have been extremely cloudy about the nature of their perfect society, but one troublesome feature is that, to the extent that we know its operations at all, the KGE is almost always depicted as a communist society, lacking work, private property, or the division of labor. In short, something like the Marxian communist utopia, except run by a cadre, not of the vanguard of the proletariat, but of theocratic saints.[/FONT]
 
I think the UK economy is about to take a very bad turn

This is the opprotunity that a certain group have been waiting for to bring in their vision of a KGE

As interest rates rise and homes are repossesed and wailing is heard throughout the land suddenly out from the despair will emerge a messianic group claiming that they have got the solution to our problem

Perhaps the new head of the bank of england will be among the group for he like all the technocrats who have taken over the various economies of Europe is an ex GOLDMAN SACHS employee

That's right the goldman sachs empire is getting ready for its take over

Words like 'socialism' and 'communism' will be thrown around to confuse people but what we are seeing is neither of those things. We are not seeing the workers taking over control of the means of production we are seeing a power grab by a banking elite who wish to re-assert their lost fuedal powers

Neo-fuedalism is knocking at the door....are the british public listening or are they tuning into the latest TV series of 'big brother':

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Will the british public wake up in time or will they even notice their encroaching serfdom from the comfort of their sofas as the TV beams images of froliking celebrities into their hynotised minds from within the big brother house?

Are they even conscious enough anymore to tell the difference between the big brother on the TV and the REAL big brother society that is forcing itself on them as we speak!

Should i emigrate now or should i wait until they start putting RF microchips into us?

Stay tuned for more action from the front lines of the currency wars.....
 
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If you're going to call every system with a market "capitalism", then there has never been anything but capitalism. What makes capitalism so shitty is how it doesn't care about the people, it prioritizes wealth to unfair degrees. Under socialism, the economy's growth from 1990-2012 would have resulted in massive gains for the middle class - but it didn't, because we're not under socialism.

GDP in 1990 was at $5 trillion annually and has risen to $16 trillion; where is the middle class benefit? I'll tell you where: in the pockets of the wealthy! Their standards of living and their share of wealth went up dramatically over the past 22 years, while ours have only to decline.

Certainly if capitalism were a "perfect system", there would be less poverty and less joblessness. Poverty in the USSR, population 250 million, was about 1.7% solid for the last 4 years of its existence... and that was at $2 to $1.7 trillion GDP. Imagine what we could do here with how much we make.

Capitalism may be a more "fun" system if you consider your daily struggle for existence tampered with logos and commercials in every direction more "fun"... but I don't. Why mask our own suffering? We parade the suffering of others on television, but we ignore our own. And for what? More money to the ruling classes, the robber barons, the oligarchs, the nomenklatura of a new age!

FYI: communism, as it is written, has never been done. Countries like the USSR and China were never communist countries, they were building socialism. Of course they both went terribly off track (the USSR to its own dissolution and future capitalism and China to market socialism, which should be the real definition of state capitalism), but the point stands all the same... COMMUNISM has never been accomplished.

Capitalism is like playing a slot machine, roulette, lottery, etc. What keeps people going back to it is that hope/chance/dream/delusion that *someday* they can be just as rich. I think people who live in gambling cities would know better than anyone, if people could strike it rich at a casino, why would the casino staff be waiting tables?
 
Capitalism is like playing a slot machine, roulette, lottery, etc. What keeps people going back to it is that hope/chance/dream/delusion that *someday* they can be just as rich. I think people who live in gambling cities would know better than anyone, if people could strike it rich at a casino, why would the casino staff be waiting tables?

Except in this case the casino staff (politicians) usually are rich, so it adds to the delusion.
 
Capitalism is like playing a slot machine, roulette, lottery, etc. What keeps people going back to it is that hope/chance/dream/delusion that *someday* they can be just as rich. I think people who live in gambling cities would know better than anyone, if people could strike it rich at a casino, why would the casino staff be waiting tables?


The house always wins
 
Shareholder activism

Is a form of lobbying of investors. An example is the work carried out by Fair Pensions (http://www.fairpensions.org.uk/ourwork)

''We push for specific improvements in corporate environmental and human rights behaviour by working with investors and individual pension fund managers to engage with and put pressure on the corporations in which they hold shares. In recent years we have campaigned on issues including tar sands, climate change, destructive mining projects and access to generic medicines in developing countries.''
 
You know if they make it far enough with the Rolling Jubilee, the bankers are going to be really angry.

Yeah the bankers behind the new world order would be as debt is a fundamental part of their plan and their world view

However there must be some people in the top 1% who are concerned about societal upheval and perhaps they might actually see debt alleviation as a way of calming the public down

I think the debts should have been written down to the ability to pay.

Michael Hudson always has interesting things to say on the subject:

[video=youtube;gX5RHhX8E2k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX5RHhX8E2k[/video]
 
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Yeah the bankers behind the new world order would be as debt is a fundamental part of their plan and their world view

However there must be some people in the top 1% who are concerned about societal upheval and perhaps they might actually see debt alleviation as a way of calming the public down

I think the debts should have been written down to the ability to pay.

Michael Hudson always has interesting things to say on the subject:

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I am sick and tired of hearing about the new world order. The rich already own everything, the military-industrial complex has made us slaves to enrich the already obscenely wealthy. We haven't really had real rights since the invention of the CIA (or the OSS, if you're that old, which no one here probably is), or the criminalization of (certain) drugs (that the man doesn't like)... freedom was always an illusion and someone was always getting shafted. You want a new world order? This is the wrong direction to find one: we are freer than ever, but also more carefully watched than ever.
 
I am sick and tired of hearing about the new world order. The rich already own everything, the military-industrial complex has made us slaves to enrich the already obscenely wealthy. We haven't really had real rights since the invention of the CIA (or the OSS, if you're that old, which no one here probably is), or the criminalization of (certain) drugs (that the man doesn't like)... freedom was always an illusion and someone was always getting shafted. You want a new world order? This is the wrong direction to find one: we are freer than ever, but also more carefully watched than ever.

That is an absolute nonsense. We are not freer than ever. Have you ever heard of agenda 21? Do you know what that particular piece of legislation is currently carving out in our world?

Freedom is the ability to express yourself. If we are being watched and our behaviours studied and recorded, including EVERYTHING you do online (in servers primarily in the US which the CIA can access) then it is because they are seeking to control the means and forms of expression

You are advocating a 'lets bury our heads in the sand and try and ignore what they are doing' approach and i am telling you that if everyone does that they will wake up one day in a prison the likes of which we have never seen
 
[video=youtube;cwg4DB-EeEA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cwg4DB-EeEA[/video]
 
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That is an absolute nonsense. We are not freer than ever. Have you ever heard of agenda 21? Do you know what that particular piece of legislation is currently carving out in our world?

Freedom is the ability to express yourself. If we are being watched and our behaviours studied and recorded, including EVERYTHING you do online (in servers primarily in the US which the CIA can access) then it is because they are seeking to control the means and forms of expression

You are advocating a 'lets bury our heads in the sand and try and ignore what they are doing' approach and i am telling you that if everyone does that they will wake up one day in a prison the likes of which we have never seen

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-a...-conspiracy-world-cowering-agenda-21?page=0,0

"Standing for "Agenda 21st Century," it's a completely non-binding UN agreement that aims to address climate change and inequality by calling on local and federal governments, NGOs, and businesses, to develop plans to create more sustainable environments in their respective nations. The UN believes that by working together, and giving financial assistance to developing nations to promote sustainable living, wealth disparities can be reduced, indigenous populations can be protected, and the deterioration of ecosystems around the globe can be reversed."

Key: "non-binding."

Listening to Glenn Beck is tantamount to listening to the ravings of a generic asylum lunatic.
 
http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-a...-conspiracy-world-cowering-agenda-21?page=0,0

"Standing for "Agenda 21st Century," it's a completely non-binding UN agreement that aims to address climate change and inequality by calling on local and federal governments, NGOs, and businesses, to develop plans to create more sustainable environments in their respective nations. The UN believes that by working together, and giving financial assistance to developing nations to promote sustainable living, wealth disparities can be reduced, indigenous populations can be protected, and the deterioration of ecosystems around the globe can be reversed."

Key: "non-binding."

Listening to Glenn Beck is tantamount to listening to the ravings of a generic asylum lunatic.

Please don't lump me in with glen beck!

Call me crazy, call me paranoid, call me a conspiracy theory nutjob, but don't lump me in with glen beck! lol

But on a more serious note, agenda 21 IS a big deal. Its part of a global move incorporating the creation of new controls over our lives eg Codex Alimentarius (is about controlling food)

Look into the Club of Rome (set up by the Rockefellers, who also played a large role in creating the UN) and their publication 'the limits to growth'

If you look into this you'll find that they are very concerned about the size of the human population. If they were reasonable human beings they would say publically to the people of the world: 'ok folks we need to act sustainably here, lets all get together and find a solution, for example the stop at one campaign'. They would create a public forum that would bring everyone into the decision making process; but they don't want to do that because that would mean sharing power

They want to control everything so what they do is they hold secret meetings behind closed doors that the press and the public are not invited to and they come up with dishonest and sly ways to impose their controls. For example they have teamed up with Bill Gates to create 'vaccines' which damage the human immune system and they push these vaccines out onto people around the world as a way to cull the population

Recently declassified papers in the UK released under the freedom of information act have found vaccines to be harmful and that governments have been covering up:

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2012/03/14/government-experts-cover-up-vaccine-hazards/

http://2012thebigpicture.wordpress.com/2012/12/02/the-vaccine-hoax-is-over/

You may have heard in the news that male fertility is dropping sharply. There might be a number of factors in this for example plastics in the water supply but also Radio Frequency has been found to affect sperm motility.

So where do we see RF? Well all those mobile phone masts everywhere and all the wireless for computers is all RF. That's why it came out in the press that children shouldn't be using mobile phones...because they are harmful to us

These guys are up to all sorts of shit, but its all coming out in the wash now and the public are waking up. This is why they are making desperate moves to control the internet, because they want to stop people from waking up

These people are behind innocent sounding organisations like the 'World Health Organisation (WHO)' and the CDC who have been covering for drug companies and their toxic products

The FDA is another one. They found out that Bayer had made asperin that was infected with HIV and allowed them to sell their product overseas

The same people are behind all these things
 
There is so much shit that is just plain wrong in your post that I have officially lost another 50% of my faith in humanity. You're really testing me here, humanity.

You are worse than Glenn Beck.
 
There is so much shit that is just plain wrong in your post that I have officially lost another 50% of my faith in humanity. You're really testing me here, humanity.

You are worse than Glenn Beck.

Lol

I love how you are so vague here!

Why don't you look into what i've talked about instead of dismissing it out of hand? I think you'll be suprised what you learn
 
Lol

I love how you are so vague here!

Why don't you look into what i've talked about instead of dismissing it out of hand? I think you'll be suprised what you learn

I have already heard it all before, looked into it, and dismissed it accordingly.

Why don't you try to Google the rational responses to these things? I think you'll be surprised what skepticism feels like.
 
I have already heard it all before, looked into it, and dismissed it accordingly.

Why don't you try to Google the rational responses to these things? I think you'll be surprised what skepticism feels like.

You clearly haven't looked into it or you would have a deeper understanding

I've offered info, you've offered opinion
 
You clearly haven't looked into it or you would have a deeper understanding

I've offered info, you've offered opinion

If I were to systematically go and try to debunk everyone who partakes in wild fantasies that are ultimately harmful to humanity, there would be a lot of people to talk to. Instead, I just say, wait and see. Illnesses like whooping cough are already coming back because of anti-vaccination people, forgetting lessons learned in the past from things like smallpox. Let's see what other terrible illnesses we can bring back in the name of paranoid conspiracy. Maybe by the time we're done there won't be a humanity left.
 
If I were to systematically go and try to debunk everyone who partakes in wild fantasies that are ultimately harmful to humanity, there would be a lot of people to talk to. Instead, I just say, wait and see. Illnesses like whooping cough are already coming back because of anti-vaccination people, forgetting lessons learned in the past from things like smallpox. Let's see what other terrible illnesses we can bring back in the name of paranoid conspiracy. Maybe by the time we're done there won't be a humanity left.

Its not about extremes, its about balance

It is about using the best of modern medicine whilst recognising that some people are missusing it.

You don't need to be a conspiracy theorist to realise how money can affect peoples judgement for example big pharma. An example of greed affecting peoples health would be patents on new drugs often stop their widespread application

Examples of conspiracys would be:

GlaxoSmithKline being fined $3 billion for bribing doctors. here's a news story: http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2012/jul/03/glaxosmithkline-fined-bribing-doctors-pharmaceuticals

Bayer bein made to pay fines to people who contracted HIV from their infected products. The FDA knew about this; here's a news story: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_...n-hiv-infection-cases----just-not-in-english/

In the 1970's the government vaccinated people against flu virus and the vaccines caused more harm than the flu. Google it you'll find plenty of info


There is an $82 billion industry in anti-depressants. I'm sure you'll agree that's a big industry! But recently it has been found that many of the drugs are ineffective and in fact have been found to create suicidal feelings. Companies that have recently been fined are:

Pfizer for their drug Gerdou

Eli Lilly for their drug Zyprexa

Seroquel for their drug Astrazeneca



As i've stated above there has recently been declassified information showing a government cover up over the harmfulness of some vaccines

The WHO have also been implicated in keeping information from the government and conspiring in the process of governments stocking up on vast amounts of vaccines that are no use. This is a story in the news at the moment....google about tamiflu etc