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Theory: Is perception of type affected by confirmation bias?

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  1. athenian200

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    I've noticed that whenever someone asks other people what they think their type is, they almost invariably confirm the type the person already thinks they are. They end up justifying it by throwing in shadow manifestation, function development, gender, and "fundamental human tendencies," even if the behavior seems counter to the core of the type.

    It seems as though people are either unwilling or unable to challenge a person's self-perceived type, due to lack of widely-accepted definitions and standards that could rule out the possibility of being a given type. It even seems like this same tendency crops up when talking about people we've never met that have only been typed and talked about by another person.

    I've found that the same behaviors are usually interpreted one way when a person is being typed for the first time and has no clue what they are, and in a very different way if the person already thinks they're a particular type.

    So, what do you think about this tendency? Why are we collectively unable to apply consistent standards to the way we assign type, tending towards confirming what the person already thinks of themselves, and what we've thought of them as?
     
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    Sometimes people are afraid of conflict and/or don't like to be wrong.

    Forer effect comes into play as well, but directed externally instead of internally.

    If you have the preconceived notion person is type X, then the first action is typically to only ask whether they are or they are not type X; and not whether they are type Y, type Z, type A, type B, etc etc.

    However, if someone started breaking it down further into cognitive functions, it becomes much more credible.

    I don't get that into MBTI these days. In my particular case, it was more of me filling time and space to ward off boredom.
     
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    This^^^. I've learned more from MBTI by discussing the relationship between the functions than focusing on whether or not i fit into a particular type.


    Good topic, very interesting. I've been thinking about this quite a bit. I notice that if someone presents a description of a type which seems to fit what i already think, i'm very likely to immediately accept what they suggest. But yet, i'm still resistant to being typed. I'm almost always reluctant to agree with someone who says i'm not a particular type, since we're only using what we know of someone online to type them. I'm always open to suggestions, but to say definitively we are or are not a type is very tricky. Our personas online are not necessarily representative of who we are in person.
     
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    Agreed. Although in the Tinychat those who get on webcam a lot definitely make it easier. Unfortunately, it seems like usually those who are on webcam a lot aren't posting much.
     
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    But even in tinychat or a webcam, people may sometimes be self conscious because they know they're being watched, so that may not necessarily be the best indicator either. And we reveal different aspects of ourself depending on who we're interacting with.
     
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    That would be why they say MBTI is only distinguishable by the individual themselves, which I agree with. Although over time in Tinychat, if they use the webcam enough they tend to be pretty natural on it, I would think. When I first started on cam I was pretty uncomfortable, but as I got more used to the community I am much more natural, which is pretty much quiet and not saying anything unless I am drinking. :p
     
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    Good point. Yeah, we tend to ask questions to confirm what we think someone is, rather than asking more general questions which are meant to really get at what functions we use. And i still think it's pretty difficult to really determine true type because we often shape ourselves to the people and environment we're in.
     
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    This is a bit unrelated, but I couldn't think of a better spot to post it.

    I personally welcome any and all constructive criticism from others, and when I was younger I couldn't quite understand how others wouldn't want the same.

    "What do you mean? You don't want to better yourself?"

    Sometimes I have thought of making a thread asking for personal analysis, but I always fear that I would make myself out to be self-centered or egotistical. I also find that people rarely ever give solid responses for constructive criticism. Some find it as a way to settle some prior dispute and some aren't assertive enough to show their true thoughts. Of course posting in something like that is not at all exempt of people also being able to analyze the analyzer by their responses.
     
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    Agree. Why don't you try using an interview a member thread, and get everyone to ask questions and see if you can get some construction responses from that.
     
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    You don't post enough personal content to work with! Actually... I could work with that. :p
     
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    dude, seriously? *flips through pages and pages of blog stuff to check for not enough personal content . . . collapses in frustration*
     
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    Oh yea, I always forget about blogs!

    *Catches Res*
     
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    *Falls through NAIs hands . . . and hits head*

    Ouch!
     
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    oh interesting topic, i think i might have done exactly this in my other thread....

    what's interesting when it comes to identity even moreso than the tendency to confirm whatever we already believe about ourselves, is that whenever you believe something about yourself, even if untrue, it starts to BECOME true... it manifests as an actual part of your personality, even if originally it wasn't. tell yourself you're insecure over and over, and your mind will start noticing all the ways in which you are, therefore feeding into your theory and solidifying it as true... (even though it might just be one part of a spectrum of behaviors which could go either way).

    i also think people adjust their perceptions of their personalities around what they, individually, consider important and valuable -for example, someone who considers empathy an important characteristic would be likely to center their perception of who they are around whether or not they meet their own criterion of empathic. (did that make sense? XD)

    anyway, i'm not sure why we do this.. maybe it's true what the psychologists say and the mind just is naturally affirming... imo, it's more complicated than that. great thread anyway! :)
     
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    Haven't noticed all that much, but then I also don't read those topics all that much... :m122:

    Although, when I made my own type thread no one mentioned the type I believed myself to be. aheh.
     
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    I did at first, but then I realized that my model of MBTI doesn't allow for someone to have conscious Fi and Fe simultaneously, whereas others' models here do, so I don't really bother with it much anymore. (This has only been a matter of days, so it's a quick process).

    Unless we're dealing with MBTI experts, it's probable that the person will have a much better time of figuring out what their own type is, rather than consulting someone else. If it's close enough, people can make it fit, so it's not that important.
     
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