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Housing as a right, basic shelter.....
That is a tough one, it comes down to, "at whose expense?"
There has to be a "buy in" from the recipient, it can't just be a given that one has shelter.
For the sake of argument let's assume that we are considering individuals that are not overly encumbered with medical or psychological disabilities.
Do they have a right to "a place to live", No. Do they have a right to have the opportunity to earn a place to live? Yes
That is a tough one, it comes down to, "at whose expense?"
There has to be a "buy in" from the recipient, it can't just be a given that one has shelter.
For the sake of argument let's assume that we are considering individuals that are not overly encumbered with medical or psychological disabilities.
Do they have a right to "a place to live", No. Do they have a right to have the opportunity to earn a place to live? Yes
It's ideal to have a place to live - but like "happiness"- it is not guaranteed?
You know, you've got a point about happiness. It's not guaranteed. In fact nothing is guaranteed in life other than things changing. In fact, when it comes to changes in my life and how the world has changed since then? Forget about it! It's like that Bob Dylan song "Times Have Changed"!
Bob Dylan was an interesting guy. What do you guys think about him?
I think he is still interesting, Johny Cash said that Dylan was very quiet while fishing. George Thorogood reported that Dylan requested he play "one bourbon one scotch and one beer" while back stage at a Destroyer's show, when Thorogood balked pointing out the song was played too often Dylan said, there's always room for the old songs.
He spoke the truth in a lot of ways. For those who listened; it made an impact. His message; like many conscious figures was always ahead of it's time; but perhaps the truths foreshadow the lessons we all need to learn.
yes, it is a human right. the international declaration of human rights assumes it as a precondition. if you read those rights you will recognise that they arent possible without housing.
since human rights is something we agree on as a society, its the burden of society to enforce it, and to help people to obtain the income means of supporting their own housing financially, or provide free housing for people who have been determined to be unable to sell their labour.
since human rights is something we agree on as a society, its the burden of society to enforce it, and to help people to obtain the income means of supporting their own housing financially, or provide free housing for people who have been determined to be unable to sell their labour.
Yes, it is a human right. It's only because we value not just the basics or just survival and believe it's more important to value making money and pursuit of perfect happiness, that makes us accept the argument that it's not. We could all have housing, but whether we're willing to compromise comfort, etc. for it, is the question. If having this shelter as a right means living together, and sharing resources, are willing to make the sacrifice so that others can have? We don't think in terms of basic needs anymore. We want more than the bare necessities. Yes, we can expect to have shelter as a right, but whether to have it for everyone means what we receive is the best or most optimal for everyone's comfort and luxury is another issue altogether.
The illuminati are a historical fact
They were outlawed in bavaria and went underground into continental freemasonry
The skull and bones club in Yale which has seen a few US presidents go through its doors are said to be illuminati lodge 322
But yeah...they're a fact
They were outlawed and never resurrected. Freemasons have nothing to do with the illuminati and are old geezers reading faulty history books about Salomon's temple. They just want their names put on the wall of some building, mainly.
No they simply went underground
Weishaupt was jesuit trained and some trace their influence back to the vatican
Some will even say that the illuminati pre-date wesihaupts bavarian illuminati and that they were begun by or at least boosted by the work of the jesuit Ignatius of Loyola
They're not just old geezers
The president of the US for example is said by some to be a freemason of the Prince Hall Lodge (for black people)
They BUILD the buildings
They also build civilisations
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