Bring back the pillory! J/k
I think that parents and teachers who would publicly shame a child only succeed in making themselves look like failures.
I think it's more important to educate than to shame. Positive reinforcement is more beneficial than negative reinforcement to the psyche. We should educate and inspire people to want to do good and be their best .
So I think that shaming in itself is detrimental to individuals and society and not really effective.
Agree. Public shaming a child is as much about shaming the parents for not disciplining them well.
When I was at school public shaming took the form of standing in the front corner of the classroom with one's nose touching a chalk-mark on the wall. It seemed like an effective punishment then; but now children seem to be completely shameless, so I don't know if public shaming would do anything - they are more likely to be smug about it, making things worse.
Personally, as a child I think I preferred corporal punishment: a couple of good whacks on the palm at school, or on the butt at home. A couple of times my parents did the talking thing and it seemed worse - it made you feel isolated and more peeved.On the other hand, shaming can make a child embarrassed enough not to do it again. I grew up in a stricter culture, and shaming in some ways worked. It made teens or young adults avoid doing stupid things that could get them hurt or in trouble. Sometimes, talking to a child or young adult does not work. It's tough to be a parent today when they're so many things competing for a child's attention and respect. So, parents resort to shaming because they sometimes find that constantly repeated reminders to not do something, or discussions of consequences doesn't always seem to work.
Personally, as a child I think I preferred corporal punishment: a couple of good whacks on the palm at school, or on the butt at home. A couple of times my parents did the talking thing and it seemed worse - it made you feel isolated and more peeved.
I think shaming is a psychological, or emotional punishment: I'd prefer physical punishment any day.
So therefore if I could hit people and shame them enough, I would rule the world, right?
Getting hit taught me to want to hit back. It didn't teach me the right thing to do.
A couple times I did fight back a little and it only escalated which also taught me that I'd have to be strong if I wanted to turn the tables and be the one in charge. I'd have to be come strong enough to hit and shame them into seeing my way just as they did to me.
See how that works? Where does the foundation get in? At some points it was like "If you're just right because you're hitting me, I guess I'll have to hit you back some day. Maybe even kill you."
I don't think that is the intended effect is it?
So how would you deal with someone who continually refuses to be either reasonable, or reasoned with - and is disadvantaging others?So therefore if I could hit people and shame them enough, I would rule the world, right?
Getting hit taught me to want to hit back. It didn't teach me the right thing to do.
A couple times I did fight back a little and it only escalated which also taught me that I'd have to be strong if I wanted to turn the tables and be the one in charge. I'd have to be come strong enough to hit and shame them into seeing my way just as they did to me.
See how that works? Where does the foundation get in? At some points it was like "If you're just right because you're hitting me, I guess I'll have to hit you back some day. Maybe even kill you."
I don't think that is the intended effect is it?
To better rephrase what I was saying, I think in the present days shaming as a practice of influencing and changing behaviour is pretty useless.Public shaming would work in the past, when there was such a thing as shame, in a virtuous sense. If someone would be shamed, they would feel a genuine remorse and change their behaviour.
But today it seems that there is no shame anymore, or at least the good one. You can't have shame if you don't have honour and integrity.
What would this kind of shaming look like?To better rephrase what I was saying, I think in the present days shaming as a practice of influencing and changing behaviour is pretty useless.
The kind of shaming -which is good - I reffer to is the shame that is somehow due to moral and ethical education. The act of "shaming" is to be based on the moral and ethical principles that the respective child has broken. This usually produces a genuine remorse and its more powerful then any physical punishment.
But if the respective person doesn't have any kind of moral and ethical duties in a prescriptive sense, then the act of appeal to shame-meaning that actually the appeal is on the integrity of that person- its entirely useless, because one can not be ashamed on something that it has not any value whatsoever for him. That is, when shaming is based on the values of one, that person most likely will change its behaviour to be in line with its value system.
That been said, most of the acts of shaming, and especially public shaming, don't have any effect.
Well, it doesn't have to look in a certain way. If there is strong ethical education in a person, the shame will occur naturally.What would this kind of shaming look like?