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Music as a territory marker

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Imagine if our music is not so different from the songs of birds, with the intention of putting up territory, find partners, and simply put an identity: this is me, my and this I seek. Music is very much an identity marker for people. So then I ask myself the question: can it also be that those who have a broad taste in music also reveals tendencies to be open to different groups of people? And the opposite: is it possible that those with a distinct taste in music also has a distinct type of people they associate with and identify with? To put it to the test: do xenophobic people only listen on a selected category of music, and if so, what kind of music is that?

OT: how come we don't have a subforum for music on the forum? Anyhow, this topic fits better in this subforum anyways.
 
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awesome ideas about territory. i agree music does have cultural meaning both embedded in it and also attached to it. i would love to know what sort of music xenophobic people listen to. any theories? some of them would probably make their own music: contemporary folk type music. it would be interesting to research. i wonder whether there are fascist forums with music subforums.
 
Great topic! I have my theories on this as well. I would say, there is a correlation but I wouldn't say it's absolute. I think we connect with different types of music for many reasons. You can like an artist, but hate a song. You can also hate an artist, but like a song. So, openness in musical tastes may not always correlate to openness to people. I have always liked listening to different artists and songs, although when I was younger, people perceived it as an enigma. For example, if you're black, you must prefer mostly listening to particular kind of music song by black artists. These assumptions always unnerved me. My favorite artists have always been eclectic, and so is my taste in music. I love Bollywood songs, despite not knowing the meanings of most of them (although I do look up lyrics occasionally). I never connected with the idea that you had to be a particular race or ethnicity to like particular music. I think it's what connects with you as a person which is reflected in each person's taste in music. Most of the time when I used to listen to music in 80s and 90s, I wasn't always aware who song them because I was listening on the radio. I just enjoyed the music. My playlist on Youtube is very eclectic.
 
This is an interesting concept. It seems to be the case for me and some others that I know. The way that people react to and critique things like music and food translates fairly well to their general outlook/views and judgment style on things, people, and life in general.
 
Why are people so attached to their choice of music, even bringing it to figths sometimes, if not because music is like the songs of birds: a marker of territory/identity. "This is the music you should listen to to be in the gang. Otherwise you're not part of my family" sort of thing.

I'm just thinking freely here. I might be wrong!
 
A famous classical musician wound stand outside the stadium where he would later perform that night. Dressed as a street musician, playing his classical pieces to the public. Apart from a child that stopped to listen, most of the people walking by wouldn't pay much attention to him.

I think we have a set way in how we perceive music, and what we think it is supposed to mean to us. Some more than others.
 
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awesome ideas about territory. i agree music does have cultural meaning both embedded in it and also attached to it. i would love to know what sort of music xenophobic people listen to. any theories? some of them would probably make their own music: contemporary folk type music. it would be interesting to research. i wonder whether there are fascist forums with music subforums.
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I don't think you can brand 'contemporary folk' music as xenophobic

In orwells dystopian novel '1984' the music was created by a machine to be soulless crap

this is because in the state-socialist world all humanity is just one homogenous soup....no colour, no verve, no diversity, no interest, just dull grey gloop as all creativity and expression is suppressed to a dull, grey, oppressive conformity

What i love about humanity is their diversity

I love visiting other cultures and experiencing the sights, sounds, smells and tastes of their cultures

I like hearing their music, speaking with them and getting their perspectives, tasting their food, reading up on their religious beliefs and history and on the journey they have been on

Folk music will often reflect diversity on cultural grounds which itself has a geographic dimension

I think there is nothing wrong with a person enjoying the music of their region as long as they respect other people and their cultures

The threat to all peoples is the death of creativity and its replacement with empty, soulless, meaningless facile psuedo-culture that robs people of their sense of place and direction

Modern psuedo-culture leaves people with no sense of direction or of place except as part of a swirling melee of nothingness

The modern equivalent would be soulless music like madonna or lady gaga which is deliberately and aggressivley marketted to the world by the west to breakdown their cultural diversity and replace it with vacuous music with no message, no soul and no sense of place or purpose

It is for those who are dead inside and reliant on tranquilisers to make it through their day....people living a lie

I think the most xenophobic people on the planet are those of the psuedo-culture who have no respect for diversity...they just want to push their emptiness on everyone around the world. Those cultures are the same ones that drop all the bombs on other peoples...hateful people
 
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I have an extremely broad taste in music, but my taste in people is not. Or at least I am not as open to meeting or being around new people, but I am happy to listen to a new song/type of music.
 
To me music is a way to experiment and experience and explore various mental states, a way to exercise the mind, a way to exercise perception, a way to communicate and a way to meditate.

What I choose to listen to doesn't mean anything in a social context. Not the way that a flag or a uniform does anyway. When I listen to metal I'm not saying that I identify with anyone about metal. Some times I share music to project a mood or tell a story. I some times use music to provide an insight to a topic when I don't feel like using words. Some times I share music to indicate my intentions.

To me music is sacred sounds. I'm not actually a fan of artists (though I can respect them and want more of what they do) and not everything I listen to sounds "good" because I want to experience all kinds of sounds because they're important to me - even ones that society would label as poor or improperly structured.
 
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Another sample of the broad types of music the world holds. Is this something you usally listen to? Not entirely in my taste, but still good enough.
 
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Another sample of the broad types of music the world holds. Is this something you usally listen to? Not entirely in my taste, but still good enough.
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Not really, I had just found it. I can't say I'm usual with any of my music habits though.
 
That's an interesting idea, though I'm not sure how true it is. There are numerous reasons why one might have very specific tastes. Perhaps you grew up in a community where you're expected to only like a certain kind of music and interest in other genres is frowned upon. Or perhaps you've been heavily influenced by your parents taste in music. It's also possible they might have an obsessive personality and so have a very intense interest in one particular kind of music.

That said I do notice a limit to the imagination and acceptance of new ideas in people with an intolerance to unusual music styles. And people who are quick to reject that which goes outside their experience may be more likely to reject different cultures. So there may be some correlation there.

As to what kind of music a xenophobic would prefer, I would guess very traditional music that reinforces their own narrow minded views.
 
Hi all, i am new here. I think music is about emotions, the musical taste of each one is related to his emotional awareness level, or how deep his emotions are. thus I find that I listen to a wide variety of music but most are on the same emotional level, no matter what band, country or gender of the musician. I prefer emotional epic and post rock music for now, some say it's mostly sad music that i like, I don't know what's the relation between sad and emotional, but they seem to go together somehow. Also I tend to feel music on a much deeper level than maybe even the musician who composed it, I could add deeper notes in my head to the melody itself, but that's just me.

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