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@Eventhorizon , perhaps this is a bit out of hand (renaming the thread to annoy you) and for that I apologize. I got pissed because I thought you questioned the $ 7 billion number but now I realize you were probably looking for specific research programs that were being cut and curious about the reasons. There is a lot written about corruption in scientific research and I am sure that does happen more often then most would care to believe.
My point was that the attack on research was being done with a machete (not a scalpel) and was mainly for political purposes. Not a few people in this country believe that the fossil fuel industry is deliberately obscuring the perception of scientific dissension on the causes and accelerents of global warming.
I believe that global warming is an existential threat to our nation, the nations of our allies and the world economic system. I also believe that it is not being addressed on a scale that would make a difference because there are vested interests in the fossil fuel industry that would be big economic losers.
Not surprisingly these interests are multinational and not a few are Russian oligarchs.
My point was that the attack on research was being done with a machete (not a scalpel) and was mainly for political purposes. Not a few people in this country believe that the fossil fuel industry is deliberately obscuring the perception of scientific dissension on the causes and accelerents of global warming.
I believe that global warming is an existential threat to our nation, the nations of our allies and the world economic system. I also believe that it is not being addressed on a scale that would make a difference because there are vested interests in the fossil fuel industry that would be big economic losers.
Not surprisingly these interests are multinational and not a few are Russian oligarchs.
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I appreciate you intensely dislike me personally, but just so you know? The thread title was discussed by staff, and I don't act unilaterally.
I think it's an excellent issue to raise, and you made some very valid points. Why you think making it a more personsal issue, will help your argument is beyond me. I think it actively undermined it.
You yourself apologised for the new title, and I merely reverted it to the original title you selected. I think you're maybe angry about a lot of things that are not related to me, or even just this issue.
Being hostile or insulting to me, or other members will not advance your arguments or help anyone. If you look back across this thread I "liked" them.
The thread title wasn't a big deal. I can take a joke and even a jab. My confusion lay in being told to not bother to give my point of view and then being ridiculed (indirectly) for not giving my point of view.
Yes I am interested to know the specific programs being cut. For instance, a "scientific" program started and founded on the idea that man made global warming is fact. As you know I disagree with this and would understand how such a program was chopped. While I believe we need to continue to research man's effect on the environment, science is a process not a political chess piece. So were we given a very high level view of what is taking place deliberately to obscure this type of thing or is it as you say, Trump is chopping money from science research in general.
If Trump is simply cutting money from science research without understanding what's actually being cut just to save money, I would take issue with that as well.
Yes I am interested to know the specific programs being cut. For instance, a "scientific" program started and founded on the idea that man made global warming is fact. As you know I disagree with this and would understand how such a program was chopped. While I believe we need to continue to research man's effect on the environment, science is a process not a political chess piece. So were we given a very high level view of what is taking place deliberately to obscure this type of thing or is it as you say, Trump is chopping money from science research in general.
If Trump is simply cutting money from science research without understanding what's actually being cut just to save money, I would take issue with that as well.
Regarding the vote, I don't care one way or the other. I am simply interested in the actual truth of why "science" money is being cut from the budget. If that is best pursued by associating my name with the endeavor so be it. I don't know that I am defending Trumps policies as much as wanting to know what's actually happening before the bias of liberal media fabricates what's happening yet again.
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EH , @Stu was joking around on the thread title, I just didn't pick it up. I can confirm you didn't report or complain about anything. but other members were concerned, mods/admins don't just jump in. I think this is an important subject, and a good thread. Without trying to "bash or defend" President Trump, I did observe the following;
1) that there are still seemingly quite a few senior scientific appointments to be made, and these budget changes seem to have come ahead of that. So key decisions may have been made by people, without a strong scientific background.
2) There seems to be a reduction in the medical research budget, which could have long term implications for everyone, not just Americans. For instance, around global pandemic risks.
I think, though President Trump may have signed the paperwork, I'd be shocked if he actually came up with this himself. More likely its a plan put to him by his staff. I don't want to see science used as political leverage for anyone, but I guess the reality is there will always be some crossover. I hope the best decisions are made, in the most objective, intelligent manner possible, and where people disagree, to come up with suggestions on how to deal with that.
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I think it is utterly ridiculous that someone could claim to get a High Distinction average in an undergraduate degree, and to claim to be capable of curing cancer and AIDS, and at the same time to have ZERO concept of blue sky research, or what it actually takes to achieve scientific breakthroughs. It is intolerable. When you have spent most of your life obsessing over what it means to legitimately contribute to society, you lose your patience with it. I am all against ad hominem argument style, but you reach a point where you just get through with it. It's like trying to have a reasonable conversation with a dementia patient. It is all completely futile to try and be reasonable on a level with the person. In reality much more reasonable is "take your pills and for crying out loud, shut the fuck up."
By the way @Stu, why do you so intensely dislike James? This is very unexpected. Please PM me if necessary. 
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By the way @Stu, why do you so intensely dislike James? This is very unexpected. Please PM me if necessary.
@invisible he doesn't (I hope) he was joking around and I didn't get it.
Currently, as I have insomnia and am kind of a geek, I was reading more about this March for Science.
It's really been a global thing. Here in the UK the science community are struggling to adapt to Brexit, and what that will mean, with so much of the research and work inter connected with EU scientists, finances, CERN etc.
NASA seem to have been spared from the severity of cuts they feared likely, though personally I think it's disappointing that the Europa mission is cancelled. I totally get that there may be better ways to spend the money, but I still think it's a pity.
I think further urgent research on "auto correct" is needed globally. That helpful function, is just about driving me crazy at present....
@invisible he doesn't (I hope) he was joking around and I didn't get it.
Currently, as I have insomnia and am kind of a geek, I was reading more about this March for Science.
It's really been a global thing. Here in the UK the science community are struggling to adapt to Brexit, and what that will mean, with so much of the research and work inter connected with EU scientists, finances, CERN etc.
NASA seem to have been spared from the severity of cuts they feared likely, though personally I think it's disappointing that the Europa mission is cancelled. I totally get that there may be better ways to spend the money, but I still think it's a pity.
I think further urgent research on "auto correct" is needed globally. That helpful function, is just about driving me crazy at present....
I see now, I was thinking about it but couldn't figure out why Stu would arbitrarily take any sort of dislike to you. Thanks for clearing it up!
Put me on block then. I don't find you to be all that intelligent and as such generally just kind of put up with you like someone might put up with a drooling fool on a street corner that occasionally yells incoherent things at people as they pass by.. I'm sure that means something to you considering what you think of me. Still you dont have to be intelligent to contribute to society and you don't even have to contribute to society. One would hope you wouldn't be a burden but considering your embrace of socialist view points and ideals I cant see you as being anything other than a burden.
Put me on block. Seriously. You'll be doing yourself and me a favor.
Thank you for telling me what you think of me, but I'm not sure why you think that would mean anything to me.
When you talk about what "one would hope", do you really mean what you, yourself "would" hope? I think this must be the case, since you mention what you, personally, are able to "see". If so, under what circumstances specifically "would" you hope for me to not be a burden? Some sort of ideal situation, perhaps? Some undemocratic situation in which all people will agree with you personally, and the ideology that you personally subscribe to, every single time, and people who disagree will be deprived of their right to vote and be incarcerated and tortured in some sort of gulag, in order that America should really be what it is meant to be?
I'm not interested in doing you any favours, and I don't require your advice on what I should do. Do you require my advice, on what you should do? Please let me know, if you do require that kind of advice.