How does that show i'm wrong?
It fits in perfectly with what i'm saying: that the US and its allies are funding, training and supporting ISIS because it is their excuse to have greater military involvement in the area again
Your thinking seems very confused
Because i say that the US and its allies fund and support ISIS i am a supporter of radical islam?
Honestly man i can't even begin to untangle your logic...it's just so messed up
Yes you go back to ignore-land but if by 'enjoying' the forum you mean spreading lies about ISIS then don't be suprised when i then unravel those lies
I know what kissinger thinks...he is one of the CFR globalist conspiractors that i'm always talking about.....if you've been listening to him then i understand your messed up perspective
Kissinger? Really? You like him? Kissinger the war criminal:
[video=youtube;QEpfVEaLAmA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEpfVEaLAmA[/video]
The 'world' is not bombing ISIS! That is one of the most ignorant statments i have heard anyone say on this forum. Have you ever looked at a map of the world?
Are you aware of how many countries there are in the world and what the population distributions of the world are?
Are you aware that the only people bombing as part of the US coalition are the US and a handful of her allies who have a direct involvement in the conflict for example the gulf monarch states and Israel?
In terms of the numbers of countries in the world and in terms of the population numbers of the world that coalition isn't the 'world' it is more like a pimple on the ass of the world...in short its a joke
The 9 Biggest Myths About ISIS Debunked
The Huffington Post | By Andrew Hart
Posted: 09/30/2014 10:06 am EDT Updated: 10/01/2014 8:59 am EDT
When it comes to the Islamic State, the extremist group that has seized large swaths of Iraq and Syria using horrifying tactics, there is no shortage of speculation about its history and ambitions. But not all the claims about the organization now targeted by the U.S. hold up. Here's a look at some of the biggest and most troubling misunderstandings about the Islamic State.
MYTH 1: ISIS = Al-QAEDA
ISIS is not al-Qaeda. In fact, the groups are on less-than-friendly terms. Here’s the backstory:
ISIS' roots lie in a Sunni Islamist militant group founded by Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who pledged allegiance to Osama bin Laden in 2005 and named his group al-Qaeda in Iraq. Their relationship was sometimes tense, and the groups developed different tactics, goals and styles of leadership.
After al-Zarqawi was killed in a U.S. strike in 2006, the group took the new name the Islamic State in Iraq. The group's current leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, decided to expand into Syria after the country's civil war broke out in 2011. In April 2013, al-Baghdadi proclaimed his group’s merger with al-Qaeda’s branch in Syria, the Nusra Front, calling the new venture the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, or ISIS. But the al-Qaeda group denied the alliance, and when al-Baghdadi refused orders to focus on Iraq, al-Qaeda’s top leadership cut ties with ISIS. Since then, the two can be thought of as competitors.
Undated file image posted on a militant website shows ISIS fighters marching in Raqqa, Syria. (AP Photo/Militant Website)
MYTH 2: ISIS WAS CREATED BY THE CIA
One of the more eyebrow-raising theories about ISIS is that it is a creation of U.S., British and/or Israeli intelligence agencies. New York Times reporter Thomas Erdbrink told HuffPost Live that the belief is common among Iranians. The theory was traced back to a dubious blog post that was picked up by Iranian and other Middle Eastern media. Conservative media got hold of it, using it as an example of a government conspiracy. Politifact bestowed the theory its "Pants on fire" rating.
This undated image posted by the Raqqa Media Center, a Syrian opposition group, on Monday, June 30, 2014, shows ISIS fighters during a parade in Raqqa, Syria. (AP Photo/Raqqa Media Center)
MYTH 3: ISIS REPRESENTS ALL MUSLIMS
As Alastair Crooke explains in a blog for the WorldPost, ISIS practices an ultra-radical interpretation of Sunni Islam.
In late September, a group of Muslim scholars from around the world issued a letter rebuking ISIS’ extreme ideology. The scholars tore down the group’s practices as un-Islamic, offering a point-by-point summary of how its ideology breaks from what most Muslims believe. The scholars wrote that in Islam, it is forbiden to torture, kill the innocent and attribute evil acts to God, rejecting how ISIS has sought to kill people they call “kafir” -- or infidels who have not pledged allegiance to a single Muslim leader. For ISIS, the kafir may include other Muslims. The scholars go on to denounce other ISIS actions and beliefs, including forcing others to convert to its ideologies, destroying the tombs of prophets.
Muslims around the world have condemned ISIS’ extreme beliefs. A movement started by British Muslims flooded social media with messages of “#NotInMyName,” rejecting ISIS’ brutal tactics and accusing the group of “hiding behind a false Islam.”British Muslims send a clear message to #IS #ISIS sectarian murderers -- #notinmyname pic.twitter.com/i84K9jDQ1hMYTH 4: ISIS HAS NO OBJECTIVE
— Murtaza Ali Shah (@MurtazaGeoNews) September 17, 2014
Despite ISIS' craven tactics and irrational aims, the group is not acting without motives and strategies. Its goal is to establish a caliphate -- an Islamic state obedient to its leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.
It has worked to this end by waging jihad in a fashion that captivates attention, exploits fears, woos disaffected communities, takes advantage of weaknesses in the region, spreads its message, enlists new recruits, and adds wealth and resources. If ISIS is mad, it is mad like a fox.ISIS reveals the map of its intended state. So far, it includes, #Iraq, #Syria, #Jordan, #Israel, and #Kuwait. pic.twitter.com/Hx9NvXNIA4MYTH 5: ISIS IS POISED TO INFILTRATE THE U.S. VIA MEXICO
— Ali H. Soufan (@Ali_H_Soufan) June 12, 2014
Politicians, including Texas Gov. Rick Perry (R), Rep. Lou Barletta (R-Pa.), Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), and Rep. Trent Franks (R-Ariz.), and media reports have claimed recently that the U.S.-Mexico border could, and potentially already has, been used as a U.S. entry point for ISIS forces. However, the allegations aren’t holding up. Franks’ claim that ISIS is presently in Mexico is highly unlikely, according to fact-checker Politifact. Top security officials said the U.S. has no evidence ISIS agents are crossing the U.S. border with Mexico, and there was no indication that it intends to do so. The Mexican government called the idea "absurd."
MYTH 6: ISIS IS INVINCIBLE
Despite ISIS victories in Iraq and Syria, and the ineptitude of the Iraqi military to stop its advance, analysts argue it is not unstoppable.
Daveed Gartenstein-Ross, a scholar and senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, argued that ISIS' "strategy is a mess," because it has has surrounded itself with enemies. Gartenstein-Ross and William McCants, a scholar of militant Islamism, both have noted that in declaring the Islamic State caliphate, ISIS has hinged its credibility on an unsustainable idea.
Vox's Zach Beauchamp wrote that there are geographic and demographic limits that will keep ISIS from becoming an unstoppable force.
In addition, the group's brutal tactics could alienate allies and potential conscripts, and may prevent it from wider public support.
Daily Beast reporter Jacob Siegel said he sees signs of tension within the ranks of ISIS that could lead to the group's self-destruction.
And the U.S. and other opponents of ISIS believe the group can be contained to its former manifestation as a "rural insurgency," a strategy outlined by Michael Knights, a fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.
Image posted on a militant website in June 2014, appears to show ISIS militants with captured Iraqi soldiers after taking over a base in Tikrit, Iraq. (AP Photo via militant website, File)
MYTH 7: ISIS IS JUST A REGIONAL PROBLEM
Wouldn't this be convenient if true? Obama has stressed that if ISIS were to establish a permanent foothold in the Middle East, American interests would be at risk.
First, ISIS has stated it aspires to extend its caliphate beyond Syria and Iraq.
In addition, there are hundreds of American troops in Iraq, and U.S.-linked oil companies are based in the northern Iraq region of Kurdistan.
A Middle East in the grips of ISIS may also become an incubator for attacks directed at targets outside of the region, noted Michael Singh of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.
Through its command of social media and propaganda, ISIS has sought to inspire and recruit beyond the borders of Iraq and Syria. Analysts estimate there are thousands of Westerners among ISIS' ranks, including Americans. U.S. officials said they fear ISIS may launch attacks in the U.S. and other Western nations as it broadens targets. There also is concern that ISIS’ Western recruits may return to the U.S., an Obama administration official acknowledged.
Finally, ISIS has beheaded two American journalists, a British aid worker, Lebanese soldiers, and others in Iraq and Syria. ISIS is believed to be holding more Westerners and journalists hostage. A separate extremist group in Algeria beheaded a French hostage last week over France’s participation in the campaign against ISIS.
Undated image shows a fighter of the Islamic State group waving their flag from inside a captured government fighter jet following the battle for the Tabqa air base, in Raqqa, Syria. (AP Photo/ Raqqa Media Center of the Islamic State group)
MYTH 8: THE RISE OF ISIS IS OBAMA'S FAULT
The "blame Obama" argument focuses on the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq in 2011, and the American president’s hesitancy to intervene in the Syrian civil war.
Critics argue that if the U.S. had kept a larger military presence in Iraq, ISIS would not have been able to rebound after incurring heavy losses in 2006.
The argument that President Barack Obama blew it by not supporting moderate rebel forces in Syria earlier in the civil war was recently fueled by Hillary Clinton, the former secretary of state and likely 2016 presidential candidate, in an interview with The Atlantic's Jeffrey Goldberg. Clinton told Goldberg, "The failure to help build up a credible fighting force of the people who were the originators of the protests against Assad -- there were Islamists, there were secularists, there was everything in the middle -- the failure to do that left a big vacuum, which the jihadists have now filled."
Yet the rise of ISIS is a product of many factors. Focusing only on the presence of U.S. forces in Iraq or Obama's hesitancy to intervene in Syria fails to acknowledge other important developments that affected ISIS and the world's failure to contain it, including:-- The government of former Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki gave the U.S. little choice on leaving American troops in Iraq.
-- Despite its size and strength, the Iraqi military's fight against ISIS was plagued by missteps.
-- ISIS took advantage of bitter tensions between Iraq's Shia and Sunni Muslims.
-- Maliki's government in Iraq kicked the country's Sunnis to the curb. ISIS seized on the Sunnis' great discontent, and took up a sectarian war against the Shia.
-- ISIS efforts to win public support included creating community programs, charming local children, distributing propaganda, and providing relief for suffering communities.
-- Some experts are skeptical that deeper U.S. involvement in the Syrian civil war would have prevented the rise of ISIS. They say the nature of the battles in Syria and the ragtag composition of the rebel forces likely would have limited the extent that U.S. assistance would have made a dent in the growth of ISIS.
Undated image posted in August 2014 by a Syrian opposition group shows ISIS fighters waving the group's flag from a damaged display of a government fighter jet following the battle for the Tabqa air base, in Raqqa, Syria. (AP Photo/ Raqqa Media Center of the Islamic State group)
MYTH 9: SEN. JOHN MCCAIN MET WITH ISIS"@CountryStandard: Senator John McCain held secret meetings with ISIS in Syria pic.twitter.com/eZVUWOsZxZ”"Another wild claim bouncing around the Internet links ISIS and Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), a vocal proponent of escalating the U.S. response to the militants. It started with a photo McCain posted online of a meeting with Free Syrian Army fighters during a 2013 trip to Syria. The photo was later inaccurately framed as showing McCain meeting ISIS militants and posted on social media and conspiracy theory blogs. From there, speculation grew, suggesting McCain had a role in ISIS’ creation, and had a relationship with ISIS leader al-Baghdadi, with photoshopped images of McCain pinning a medal on the chest of the ISIS leader as evidence. Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) propelled the McCain-ISIS conspiracy in an interview with The Daily Beast, saying, "Here’s the problem. He [Sen. John McCain] did meet with ISIS, and had his picture taken, and didn’t know it was happening at the time."
Goh.
— unknown soldier (@cmfuentez) August 30, 2014
The theory has been thoroughly discredited. According to The Washington Post's fact-checker, "there is zero evidence that any of the men that McCain met with in Syria are linked to the Islamic State." The rebels who were portrayed as ISIS fighters were, in fact, members of the Free Syrian Army, who oppose both ISIS and Syrian President Assad.More from the WorldPost on the Islamic State:Also on The Huffington Post
- How ISIS makes $3 million a day
- 15 shocking numbers that will make you pay attention to what ISIS is doing in Iraq
- The strange irony hidden among the highest ranks of ISIS
- A group too extreme for al-Qaeda just took over Iraq's second largest city
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Thats just lies from a CFR controlled newspaper
Here is some news from a source not controleld by the CFR:
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/10/02/380798/isil-rooted-in-usisraeli-intelligence/
As President Rouhani of Iran addressed the UN a week ago, the world had changed.
US President Obama had opened a door, one ignored by activists and the armies of professional naysayers of the propaganda organs.
The current situation, pure and unadulterated chaos, has created threats and opportunities, a time for leaders to lead, thinkers to think and the stupid to go home and run their heads into the wall.
If ISIL is an enemy, one Veterans Today asserts has its roots in US, Israeli and Saudi intelligence, a message reflected by President Rouhani, what America says now, what it suggests, has to be tempered by the inescapable reality that ISIL/ISIS is a chimera or as this author has described it, a “witches brew.”
Constructive engagement with ISIL/ISIS seems, thus far, to be impossible.
What we must also confess is that there is little quality intelligence about them.
I met with Sunni leaders in Iraq in January, discussing the threats posed, postulating what I expected, which has come to pass with uncanny accuracy.
There is a reality of ISIL/ISIS that surpasses its roots, Saudi and Qatar cash, Turkish misdeeds, Israeli plots and American right wing extremism.
Similarly, those in Iraq who, in January 2014, sought to both use and control ISIL/ISIS as leverage against what they perceived as an unbalanced Shiite controlled Baghdad regime, are key to understanding what is happening now.
If there is a massive upsurge in power in ISIL/ISIS, it is from Iraq, the disaffected Sunni’s the Baathists, the old Republican Guard, top quality military “thrown to the wind” out of Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld blindness and insanity.
ISIL/ISIS needs to be addressed but there is a nasty reality recent history has taught us.
They are unlikely to listen until leverage is applied. Toward that end, the US has been remiss in use of air power, the “shock and awe” that has killed so many, so many innocents certainly, on behalf of causes any sane person recognizes as pure evil.
Can America murder for good as well?
With ISIL/ISIS at war against civilian populations, the Kurds of Syria and Iraq in particular, whether you believe press reports or not and “not” is always best, they have set the rules.
Until the US moves toward, initially, 500 sorties per day, moving toward 1,500, with FAC (forward air controller) teams and coverage by 200 plus drones “on station 24/7,” there will be no engagement.
ISIS/ISIL is, by far, not the only “wrong” in the region.
Current behavior by primarily Israel and Turkey requires a strong investigation that may well lead to sanctions against both of them.
Neither have the leverage they once had nor are their locations of the strategic importance they once were.
The Cold War, those there are signs it may be reemerging, will go on without them without Egypt, just fine.
There has to be a nation by nation reassessment, starting with Libya.
Libya has to be secured, initially under the authority of the UN Security Council but including all active players in the region.
By that I mean that regional security should include Russia, always a popular and controversial assertion, but Iran and Syria as well.
Excluding key players is insane.
What has happened in Libya is being ignored by the press and is an embarrassing inconvenience for too many.
Both the UAE and Saudi Arabia had massive air forces and much at risk.
A political solution in Libya, with partial Egyptian sponsorship and taking into account that several powerful corporations and banking groups have been “stirring the pot” in Libya will have to be addressed, perhaps with “prejudice.”
The Assad government in Syria has to be secured but under altered circumstances.
What legitimate opposition existed has been pushed aside by the flashy terror groups mysteriously drowning in cash and the promise of the Islamic version of “sex, drugs and rock and roll,” the non-public selling point for ISIS/ISIL.
As with Boko Haram, ISIS/ISIL takes brilliant advantage of religious dogma and conservatism, crafting its appeal based on promise of “temporary marriage.”
With generations of young men with little hope of a healthy married family life, the alternative of sexual misadventure under the cloak of loosely interpreted scriptural “voodoo” may well empty half of Europe’s Islamic population.
Syria is now the strategic lynch pin for American power in the Middle East, a nation the US has worked to destroy, a nation closely aligned with Putin’s Russia.
Nevertheless, stabilizing the Assad government, enabling realistic and sweeping reforms long needed and re-conquering territory under “unreliable” governance is vital.
Toward that end, US policy has to continue to “turn” toward reality, totally abandoning any idea of recruiting “anti-Jihadist Jihadists.”
As Dr. Franklin Lamb pointed out recently in an article in Veterans Today, any US recruit is likely to take his training and weapon and join ISIL at any point and, in fact, almost the entirety of ISIL/ISIS cadres were US trained.
Without the ability to fly over Syria from US carriers or even operate combat aircraft from Syrian bases, the US is greatly hampered in air operations.
There are only two armies in the Middle East, within practical reach of tactical aircraft that can be trusted to secure bases for air operations against ISIS/ISIL.
One is Syria. The other is Iran.
Iran is developing its own aerospace industry but should well have been offered the F 16C from the US in numbers simply out of American self-interest.
Iran has developed a massive self-defense force, a powerful missile capability and a strong and capable military leadership and has done so within purely defensive guidelines.
What this has created, something recognized by the US as early as 1953, when the CIA choose to turn Iran into a US colony, is a requirement in the Middle East for Iran to have a strong stabilizing role.
This requires a quick settlement of nuclear issues and a recognition on behalf of those of moderate sanity that the IAEA (International Atomic Energy Agency) has, since around 2003, been dominated by Israeli intelligence.
The Agency’s work is vital and, as long as we allow it to go on as it does today, staffed with spies and half-trained amateurs, we are not going to be able to move forward.
The old staff of the IAEA and supporting groups are still around, top nuclear weapons designers, who are capable of guaranteeing Iranian compliance and who, if pushed hard enough, will agree to “look the other way” over Israel’s flagrant violations of nuclear non-proliferation issues and the threat they pose to world security.
Conclusion
I see no solution at this time other than the US relocating at least two air wings and 5 aircraft carriers for operations against ISIS/ISIL along with at least 500 drones.
The result of these actions will lead to the deaths of hundreds of civilians.
In each case, Libya, Syria and Iraq, efforts to redress the needs and desires of those who chose ISIL/ISIS must be recognized.
As President Goodluck Jonathan had recently pointed out in regard to Boko Haram, “these are our children we will be killing.”
What is recognized, however, is that a war is afoot, blame can be shared widely, but along with “shock and awe,” there must also be redress of grievances.
Relations with Iran have to be normalized and Iran has to be convinced to assume a stabilizing role within her position as leader of the Non-Aligned Movement.
The covert war on Iran has made all of this possible to the extent that the hand of America’s extremist neocon-Zionists is more than visible here, the Ukraine, across Africa and elsewhere.
You will find them in Libya as well, behind the scenes at every turn.
It is for President Obama, Secretaries Kerry and Hagel and General Dempsey to stand against the McCain, Romney, Cruz, Netanyahu, Rothschild cabal and stop what anyone can clearly see, the embers of a world war fanning into very real flames.
GD/HSN
Gordon Duff is a Marine Vietnam veteran, a combat infantryman, and Senior Editor at Veterans Today. His career has included extensive experience in international banking along with such diverse areas as consulting on counter insurgency, defense technologies or acting as diplomatic representative for UN humanitarian and economic development efforts. Gordon Duff has traveled to over 80 nations. His articles are published around the world and translated into a number of languages. He is regularly on TV and radio, a popular and sometimes controversial guest. More Press TV articles by Gordon Duff
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