Irrelevance of liberal, socialist and communist ideals in the modern world.

What are the liberal, socialist, and communist ideals in the modern world? I guess that would be things like unions, and .... what else?
 
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What are the liberal, socialist, and communist ideals in the modern world? I guess that would be things like unions, and .... what else?
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Everyone is afforded the same things regardless of the work they do or dont do. The goverment tells you where you can work and live in accordance to how they decide to decide it. Often school testing will give them enough. Do poorly in school and be banished to sewage treatment etc...
Any ideas you have become the governments. You never "own" anything to include your own family, the government owns it all.
In short the government tell you how to live your life in all aspects.
 
Eventhorizon said:
Everyone is afforded the same things regardless of the work they do or dont do. The goverment tells you where you can work and live in accordance to how they decide to decide it. Often school testing will give them enough. Do poorly in school and be banished to sewage treatment etc...
Any ideas you have become the governments. You never "own" anything to include your own family, the government owns it all.
In short the government tell you how to live your life in all aspects.
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Citations needed.
 
Eventhorizon said:
Everyone is afforded the same things regardless of the work they do or dont do. The goverment tells you where you can work and live in accordance to how they decide to decide it. Often school testing will give them enough. Do poorly in school and be banished to sewage treatment etc...
Any ideas you have become the governments. You never "own" anything to include your own family, the government owns it all.
In short the government tell you how to live your life in all aspects.
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I agree, these are all irrelevant in our day and age. Who in particular is advocating specifically to take away your ownership of your family (which you don't own your family by the way, human ownership is not a thing) and to give it to the government?
 
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I agree, these are all irrelevant in our day and age. Who in particular is advocating specifically to take away your ownership of your family (which you don't own your family by the way, human ownership is not a thing) and to give it to the government?
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That would be the Democratic party. No you do not "own" them but you should have a say in what school your kids can go to and how they are raised. The Democrat party wants tbe goverment to have that say. They want goverment to control everything.
 
Eventhorizon said:
That would be the Democratic party. No you do not "own" them but you should have a say in what school your kids can go to and how they are raised. The Democrat party wants tbe goverment to have that say. They want goverment to control everything.
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Yeah...that new plan that Betsy DeVos has for our children’s education is brilliant!
Instead of educating our children for the good of our society and nation, let’s give families vouchers!
So yes, they can “choose” to go to any school they want to...except that the vouchers are not going to cover the full cost of many schools and it will become even worse than it is now with rich families going to the good schools and poor kids getting what is affordable - are we going to start taking out student loans for primary education now?
What a stupid fucking plan.
And the healthcare in the US is AMAZEBALLS!
I know...let’s destroy Medicaid (fucking poor leaches), Planned Parenthood, and then let’s make Medicare into a voucher program too!
Wonderful!
Then we can pass a tax bill that will give Trump a $15 Billion dollar personal deduction...where the tax cuts for corporations and the top 1% are permanent, but the BS “cut” the middle class is getting is NOT permanent and will be gone in a couple years...that will totally help the middle class.
Especially when their taxes will continue to rise after that with the majority of Americans predicted (by the GOP’s own CBO) to be paying higher taxes in several years (including the very poor)....while the other cuts for the rich are permanent....trickle down baby!! Works so well!
Not to mention the $1.5 Trillion added to the deficit which will be balanced by cutting social safety nets and programs that benefit the middle class and poor.
Also, the vilification of the poor is obvious and will eventually backfire in their faces...probably beginning in the mid-term elections.
So instead of ridding ourselves of the true welfare queens, the corporations and rich who pay little to no taxes - if they don’t get YOUR tax money back...who keep their money in offshore accounts to avoid paying taxes get the permanent cuts - we give them even bigger breaks at the expense of those most vulnerable - that also will really help the middle class and our society.
I especially like the 13 million + that are slated to LOSE or be priced out of health insurance...9 million children.
The lies told to “dreamers”.
Or the slew of deductions that the middle class depend on that they are losing - traded for a temporary payroll cut that will expire...uber-lame.
Elderly with high medical costs? Sorry that deduction is GONE.
Too bad Grandma...eat more Top Ramen I guess as you cut your heart medication in half so you can afford it.
The elderly who rely on Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security - which I might add the government has stolen $2.7 Trillion from without compensation or regard to lost interest. - https://www.fedsmith.com/2013/05/23/government-owes-2-7-trillion-to-social-security/
The government has embezzled all surplus Social Security revenue, generated by the 1983 payroll tax hike, and spent the money on wars and other government programs.
None of the money was saved or invested in anything.
So when they talk about cutting those “entitlements” - yes the people are indeed entitled to them - they paid for them with their payroll taxes, which had laws protecting it from exactly what Reagan did when he raided it back in the 80s.
So far....nothing has been done this whole year but passing this terrible “tax scam” and seating a bunch of conservative judges.
But you’ll never see Trump on the golf course!
He was quite clear - he will be TOO busy!
Yes...clearly we are on a great path...nuclear war...unaffordable healthcare...causing chaos in Israel with this stupid move of the embassy...so smart!
Couldn’t be happier with a former banker (who is now banned from banking) in charge of deciding how to clean up our Superfund sites...so much experience in environmental matters, good pick for the now BS EPA.

I’ll stop now...once again though -

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Brilliant job by Trump so far!!!
(this is to say nothing of Trump’s disgusting and childish constant barrage of idiotic, racist, sexist, bigoted, and frankly just plain stupid Tweets)
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Skarekrow said:
Yeah...that new plan that Betsy DeVos has for our children’s education is brilliant!
Instead of educating our children for the good of our society and nation, let’s give families vouchers!
So yes, they can “choose” to go to any school they want to...except that the vouchers are not going to cover the full cost of many schools and it will become even worse than it is now with rich families going to the good schools and poor kids getting what is affordable - are we going to start taking out student loans for primary education now?
What a stupid fucking plan.
And the healthcare in the US is AMAZEBALLS!
I know...let’s destroy Medicaid (fucking poor leaches), Planned Parenthood, and then let’s make Medicare into a voucher program too!
Wonderful!
Then we can pass a tax bill that will give Trump a $15 Billion dollar personal deduction...where the tax cuts for corporations and the top 1% are permanent, but the BS “cut” the middle class is getting is NOT permanent and will be gone in a couple years...that will totally help the middle class.
Especially when their taxes will continue to rise after that with the majority of Americans predicted (by the GOP’s own CBO) to be paying higher taxes in several years (including the very poor)....while the other cuts for the rich are permanent....trickle down baby!! Works so well!
Not to mention the $1.5 Trillion added to the deficit which will be balanced by cutting social safety nets and programs that benefit the middle class and poor.
Also, the vilification of the poor is obvious and will eventually backfire in their faces...probably beginning in the mid-term elections.
So instead of ridding ourselves of the true welfare queens, the corporations and rich who pay little to no taxes - if they don’t get YOUR tax money back...who keep their money in offshore accounts to avoid paying taxes get the permanent cuts - we give them even bigger breaks at the expense of those most vulnerable - that also will really help the middle class and our society.
I especially like the 13 million + that are slated to LOSE or be priced out of health insurance...9 million children.
The lies told to “dreamers”.
Or the slew of deductions that the middle class depend on that they are losing - traded for a temporary payroll cut that will expire...uber-lame.
Elderly with high medical costs? Sorry that deduction is GONE.
Too bad Grandma...eat more Top Ramen I guess as you cut your heart medication in half so you can afford it.
The elderly who rely on Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security - which I might add the government has stolen $2.7 Trillion from without compensation or regard to lost interest. - https://www.fedsmith.com/2013/05/23/government-owes-2-7-trillion-to-social-security/
The government has embezzled all surplus Social Security revenue, generated by the 1983 payroll tax hike, and spent the money on wars and other government programs.
None of the money was saved or invested in anything.
So when they talk about cutting those “entitlements” - yes the people are indeed entitled to them - they paid for them with their payroll taxes, which had laws protecting it from exactly what Reagan did when he raided it back in the 80s.
So far....nothing has been done this whole year but passing this terrible “tax scam” and seating a bunch of conservative judges.
But you’ll never see Trump on the golf course!
He was quite clear - he will be TOO busy!
Yes...clearly we are on a great path...nuclear war...unaffordable healthcare...causing chaos in Israel with this stupid move of the embassy...so smart!
Couldn’t be happier with a former banker (who is now banned from banking) in charge of deciding how to clean up our Superfund sites...so much experience in environmental matters, good pick for the now BS EPA.

I’ll stop now...once again though -

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Brilliant job by Trump so far!!!
(this is to say nothing of Trump’s disgusting and childish constant barrage of idiotic, racist, sexist, bigoted, and frankly just plain stupid Tweets)
:rujimonkey:


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Whenever I look at your posts I always find myself laughing. Thank you for that. I am sorry for you though. I wish there was some way I could help you.
 
Eventhorizon said:
Whenever I look at your posts I always find myself laughing. Thank you for that. I am sorry for you though. I wish there was some way I could help you.
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You could take a long walk off a short pier...that would be very helpful.
One again you don’t address anything I said...you just insult.
Childish and pathetic response.
 
Skarekrow said:
You could take a long walk off a short pier...that would be very helpful.
One again you don’t address anything I said...you just insult.
Childish and pathetic response.
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Nothing there but opinion. And I already know that If I were to dissect it and show you how your opinion doesn't line up with the facts you would dismiss the facts.
 
Eventhorizon said:
Nothing there but opinion. And I already know that If I were to dissect it and show you how your opinion doesn't line up with the facts you would dismiss the facts.
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It is full of facts and even actually has a link...lol. (more than your own)
You dismiss them as not being facts because they don’t jive with your solidified frontal lobe.
Dissect it with facts you can prove and I will change my stance.
But you never do that - you just insult, then when backed into a corner you ignore.
Classy.
 
Skarekrow said:
It is full of facts and even actually has a link...lol. (more than your own)
You dismiss them as not being facts because they don’t jive with your solidified frontal lobe.
Dissect it with facts you can prove and I will change my stance.
But you never do that - you just insult, then when backed into a corner you ignore.
Classy.
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If you were to perhaps present an argument that you wanted an honest evaluation of and thought you might be able to avoid your emotional out bursts, I might potentially spend some time thinking about it and showing you how you are wrong assuming that you were.
But do not think for a minute it would last long should you regress into common form for you.
 
Eventhorizon said:
If you were to perhaps present an argument that you wanted an honest evaluation of and thought you might be able to avoid your emotional out bursts, I might potentially spend some time thinking about it and showing you how you are wrong assuming that you were.
But do not think for a minute it would last long should you regress into common form for you.
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You've never done anything like this on this site.
 
Skarekrow said:
...So yes, they can “choose” to go to any school they want to...except that the vouchers are not going to cover the full cost of many schools and it will become even worse than it is now with rich families going to the good schools and poor kids getting what is affordable...
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Rich people can buy Gucci and poor people buy Wranglers, there's no sense getting upset because you have to buy what's affordable and live within your means.
 
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Rich people can buy Gucci and poor people buy Wranglers, there's no sense getting upset because you have to buy what's affordable and live within your means.
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The argument would be the rich can afford better healthcare, food, property, don't have to work....
 
Eventhorizon said:
If you were to perhaps present an argument that you wanted an honest evaluation of and thought you might be able to avoid your emotional out bursts, I might potentially spend some time thinking about it and showing you how you are wrong assuming that you were.
But do not think for a minute it would last long should you regress into common form for you.
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You just confirmed exactly what I wrote.
You did not debate or counter with any kind of factual information once again...you threw out insults that according to you - I couldn’t handle because in your mind I'm “emotionally unstable” and not living in reality according to your Trump University degree as a Psychologist...lol.
So already, you have insulted and dismissed the whole topic instead of countering it with source-able facts.
And then....you choose to ignore and threaten just as you always do -
"But do not think for a minute it would last long should you regress into common form for you."
Wow...point taken seriously!
:fearscream:
Honestly...what do you hope to gain from this thread?
Are you proving a point?
Exposing lies and hypocrisy?
Or are you just insulting, trolling, and berating people you disagree with politically?
Seriously...??
If you are here to change minds...you may want to pick up a book on how to do that without being patronizing and insulting to people.
That just doesn’t work man, and never will....which only makes the troll theory even stronger.
Take care.
 
Skarekrow said:
You just confirmed exactly what I wrote.
You did not debate or counter with any kind of factual information once again...you threw out insults that according to you - I couldn’t handle because in your mind I'm “emotionally unstable” and not living in reality according to your Trump University degree as a Psychologist...lol.
So already, you have insulted and dismissed the whole topic instead of countering it with source-able facts.
And then....you choose to ignore and threaten just as you always do -
"But do not think for a minute it would last long should you regress into common form for you."
Wow...point taken seriously!
:fearscream:
Honestly...what do you hope to gain from this thread?
Are you proving a point?
Exposing lies and hypocrisy?
Or are you just insulting, trolling, and berating people you disagree with politically?
Seriously...??
If you are here to change minds...you may want to pick up a book on how to do that without being patronizing and insulting to people.
That just doesn’t work man, and never will....which only makes the troll theory even stronger.
Take care.
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All I can tell you is that i am completely serious. Yes some of my statements regarding you are my own opinion but I feel opinion or not, accurate.
Your idea of a conversation is where you say something and it is not questioned. Further should it be questioned and you give bias information it is accepted as fact ending in that the arguing party realizes how wrong they were and thanks you for setting them straight. So that you know, this type of happening is not a conversation.

This was simply my attempt to offer an olive branch so to speak and to see if somehow with time a real conversation could take place.with you. For my part I am sorry for believing you could change so quickly. Perhaps instead of years I should be looking at decades or centuries.
 
Eventhorizon said:
That would be the Democratic party. No you do not "own" them but you should have a say in what school your kids can go to and how they are raised. The Democrat party wants tbe goverment to have that say. They want goverment to control everything.
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That's why people made their stand in Little Rock! Take that liberal scum!
 
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