Help finding proper political leaning?

Darc

Darc

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For various reasons, I would just really like to find a political leaning that fits me, but lately I have been utterly lost and feeling like giving up on politics all together as I see it almost beyond what the real problems are and almost like cork's to pug into sinking ships when the fundamental and real causes for the ill's of the world are often kind of just denied and the cycle of hatred repeats, again and again.

So anyway, I really like Marxism and Socialism, at least on paper, but from many real life experiences I've had with liberalism, it doesn't seem so great in actuality which only makes me wonder.

Collectivism really kind of irks me, it just seems like surrendering to the tyranny of the masses and then simply, the large communist state has all the power and who only knows what the hell will happen afterwards. You pretty much just surrender yourself as an autonomous being from then on after and have no free-will or say in your own life.
The problem is I think group-think can honestly be a really terrible and dangerous thing, and not only that, but once the group mind takes hold, it becomes it's own entity in entirety and there is the capability of individuals causing all kind of terrible acts on behalf of the group, wherein rationality or reason is kind of left by the wayside and again it just turns into some kind of a tyranny.


So the fundamental problem with democracy and supposedly solving everything this why is that we all do not see eye to eye or can get along, not to mention we are not all the same. At least with individual rights, if a huge group of people is going to run off the cliff, one should have the ability not to follow or take part in doing so.


Here's some more thoughts..

  • Capitalism often does not really have that much theoretical underpinnings behind it and are based on notions and assumptions that I think are completely often flawed, unrealistic and just not true and often only favor a select few of people and not only that, but I think it encourages and brings out the worst in human beings.
  • It does seem quite a bit like human nature though, it seems like hardly anyone can really let it go and if you look at human nature, most of us are always trying to get power in some way or another and most thing revolves around this and thus it seems like science and the like take precedence. I know apes are always being compared to us and well,
  • So if it's merely nature, well it seems like mostly human beings are very herd minded and hierarchy based, and thus, like in Wolves, Apes and other animals, there has to be individuals at the top ruling everything and this is outright always based on "power" or notions and perceptions of that.
  • The best that we can go with social security is like some scant welfare, and maybe charity, like food kitchens for homeless or low income people, because most people are just too greedy for anything else. For capitalism to really work, there can only be a little bit money sparse for social aid and the like, otherwise the grand prize wouldn't be enough, and likewise, "power" wouldn't signify as much if you couldn't be drastically more wealthy then anyone else.
  • It again just seems like human nature, you can try to put a damper on it but many people will still try to find a way to oppress and take more then they really need or deserve and a large portion of people will live in poverty as a result. (Look at Russian and China. China, still considers itself "communist" but if you look at their actions as a whole, they are very much that if at all. They are very much focused now on monetary gain and incentive)
  • In my opinion, that's just really barbaric and primitive and it's sad that so many people cannot see beyond this.
  • Everyone just wants power. Nature comes into play a lot, and for these reasons, "harmony" and "peace" are difficult achieve for this very reason.
  • I think that if we took each other at an individual level first, and accepted individual rights more then we could co-operate on an individual level first and a group level last. But it has to be taken into consideration that we are not all the same. But seemingly, it's really hard to accomplish this, because again, if you've ever talked to a lot of people, they refuse to be rational, understanding or tolerant. We cannot meet or see each other at an individual basis.
  • I think that to a degree, collectivism just doesn't work anymore and we've made too much progress in which, trying to go back to that just doesn't make sense anymore. We've made too much progress and not only that but the world has changed too much. We don't live in small tightly knight groups anymore and likewise, that is the reason why stopped and why capitalism caught on like it did, because too many people did not feel comfortable being a part of the group, and then everyone else got caught up in all of this, which is what we have now.

The one thing I wonder about capitalism though, does capitalism ever in itself serve to keep things adequately democratic and relatively "de-centralized" by breaking everything up, or does it just as much the same create a plutocracy either way.

I really like the idea of de-centralizing things a lot, having a bunch of different groups who do not agree on everything and all have to some degree a level of equal say because I think you just want to keep the group mind away a bit, and also be on guard for individuals who just want power, which centralizing only aids in this sense. And then of course, there would have to be some way for people to I guess compete if they wanted to. Unfortunately, no one has to be really rich or poor, but that's the thing, a lot of people I think are just naturally wired and predisposed to seeing things this way and cannot seem to go beyond it. I think that's why capitalism works so well, because it's just the way a lot of people see reality, even if it doesn't really make that much sense or is very practical anymore.

Everyone just hates everyone else and wants more/or power and cannot resist the temptation of materialism and contrived notions of "wealth" and even "abundance" even though, it's not really real anymore. The one thing I've always liked about America is that at least they respect individual rights, which is I think at least is partially the reason for their success and where the rest of the world seriously lacks.

Trying to take away things like individual rights is just a red-flag to me, for hidden pursuits of power, because collectivism makes it so easy (and centralizing) to control everything and gain power.

I mean if you look at democracy in the States, that's actually pretty close to what it exists as their, beyond all of the inequality and indentured plutocracy there. Likewise, I think the reason why a lot of people don't like communist or are scared of it, is simply because they want some shred of individual say in their life, so likewise I don't see why that is so hard to accomplish.
 
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I mean I don't even know if it's considered that impossible or not, and how much this notion of an "illusion" is necessary, because obviously many times, the people have been given opportunities and chances at freedom but they have often been kind of ruined many times.

I wonder if it's like the Matrix sort of? "we tried to create a "perfect" world, but you human beings rejected program time and time again" (I mean, I suppose that's why things are always split up in the manner they are, because things can never really be too good, so you are always left with this sense of unease that everything is wrongly split up or uneven)

Because basically, when it comes to money and the economy, most of it's not even real, it's just on the basis of what those in positions of power allow. It's all in regards to the federal reserve, which controls and prints all of the money, and then the globalist bankers who (I cannot remember completely as of now) but..they have a lot of say in how things are regulated in the world, the price of goods and such.

But for some reason, hardly anyone rares to question their authority and I just seriously wonder why that is?

I think often times, when people talk about the electoral voting system, both left and right are backed by pre-existing powerful organizations, and likewise there are forces at play, who whenever the people try to form coalitions or start a more representative governments, these "shadow hands" shadowy forces in the world often swoop down and infiltrate if not seize and take over the rebellion. (in case people did not realize it)


 
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Yeah so, I just hate capitalism upon re-thinking about it again...it's totally the reason why the West is the way it is.

It's so aggressive, hostile and everything seems to revolve around or be based on brute force/and strength and that's all it is. It's so obvious when you look around at everything. It's very Roman-esque, kind of gladiator type thing going on with the West and in relation to capitalism. Basically, it just encourages the worst behavior in people, and that is to be self interested, greedy and to simply based on brute notions of "strength" out compete everyone else because you supposedly deserve more or are superior, but in a very specific way that again, is kind of barbaric to me and often relates to specific traits and everything. I mean, I look at this small town, and I see people speeding around in their campers and now their dirt bikes and huge BMW cars and I know exactly what it is.


I just fucking hate capitalism so much.

I mean I guess in a way, it's the problem with the left is that, there's this notion that we should or can all be more peaceful, but it's based on the idea that we could all sit around thinking or day dreaming all day. It's probably better for us to stay active and involved a bit, but even then, I don't think capitalism is a proper measure for this. Either way, it does not allow individuals to decide what is right for them, and forces them with the pressure that they must always survive at all times, and then all the nice, peaceful and intelligent people are degraded and thrown to the side lines whilst it's just the most aggressive and domineering people that thrive or go to the top, especially who don't have the capacity to really think or question things very much. The problem is that everyone wants to be capitalist and cannot resist the temptation and get bored or some shit.

I think that generally, they use the pressure and impetus of out right having to "survive" at all times, to encourage the reliance on relying primarily on our senses, and hedonistic tendencies and desires, so I mean happiness and pleasure in the West is like excitement, action, fast pace and instant gratification and over consumption, whilst exchanging and sacrificing deep meaning, love, and authenticity, real connection for those things, for being gratuitous, and hedonistic.


I get a sense that in the West, the whole main idea is to punish it's citizens at all times, because it's originates from a Judeo-Christian backdrop, it's based on the notion of our "sins" and I feel this is what it is. They make things hard on everyone on purposes because they feel they deserve it because they are all sinners and I suppose in that way, the West is like Rome.
 
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I get the impression that not many people want to comment on your threads.
 
If you keep informed, it will come naturally to you. Just make sure you know that almost all news sources are bias.
Eventually you will see who is lying and who is not. Though that by itself means nothing. Many people find they would rather believe comforting lies than harsh truths.
Best of luck.
 
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I get the impression that not many people want to comment on your threads.
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Even with how I write and carry about in places like this I think I probably come across as eccentric, and I hate being that weird go who goes against the grain always and attracts lots of social scorn and resentment, but I cannot really help it.

If you know my long standing battle with selfhood, then perhaps you would understand. It has been a constant battle, but despite my best efforts, I simply have never quite been able to be an effective sooth sayer, or in anyway remotely "normal" enough, by whatever standard normal gets measured by these days.

See, I was just thinking though, on a semi-unrelated note. I think this is the problem with "collectivism" the collective a times fall prey to the unfortunate problem of always wanting to feel or be "happy" even when it's not in their best interest, and simultaneously will get angry if an individual challenges the collective mind set or group condition and group spirit.

I feel like I'll never really know what it's like to belong, and I think about groups and everything and try to visualize it in my head and it just seems to utterly foreign and alien to me. It's funny sometimes being an outcast, because you can get away with being as weird as possible and generally it doesn't phase you because you have nothing to lose.
 
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Darc, I'd place you on the libertarian-left with Noam Chomsky, Mikhail Bakunin, and Joseph Dejacque.

Don't overthrow the capitalist class on an empty stomach.
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Yes, but lately it's sort of been changing a bit.

I've been getting really pissed off at Noam Chomsky lately, and am starting to feel or detect a serious (but slight) agenda though that is a little bit biased. I could never understand the conservatives side before, but upon going through a really difficult time and giving up hope with everything, I started thinking about things like Christianity again, and then slowly I came around to the conservatives way of looking at things a bit.

I actually have a lot more sympathy (for some of them) now, and it's difficult for me to take the left very seriously, especially because I feel so betrayed them. Not to mention, I am starting to think that we can never really make much more progress then what we have now. There's just too many reasons for conflict, and like wise more then anything I've always just wanted to be free beyond most things. Even though I like the idea of de-centralized leftism, I know it's not really possible.

Things like Communism are really nice in theory, but in practice it just causes all of these problems, not to mention I think in goes inward and works against itself (in a way?) I think that at this point, it would only unfortunately lead to stagnation, and that's not really sustainable or conducive to growth (especially I think because, this is not how human nature works) There needs to be enough variety, diversity and change. Unfortunately, this often just isn't the case with communism. Even socialism I kind of almost wonder the same thing.

I am sort of open to the ideas of "liberal-socialism" though.

Lately oddly enough, Square-Enix has been helping me with my grief.
 
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This is a lot of the reason why I have a hard time being on the left or right anymore, LOL.
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HOW MANY HAMSTER WHEELS MUST WE BUILD!?
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