Eric Garner
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I thought this was well written.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/03/police-indictments_n_6264132.html?utm_hp_ref=eric-garner
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/03/police-indictments_n_6264132.html?utm_hp_ref=eric-garner
Firstly the officers involved should be indicted. Theres enough evidence to do so. The fact they weren't shows a serious problem.
Second I dont like Obama talking about one instance of many in America. Hes only addressing it because some people make a living off racial tension and he is certainly one of them. He needs to shut his mouth and focus on the country, not individuals.
This is what I think the biggest problem with thw police force today is. There are good and bad people in the world. There are good and bad cops. Its when the good cops dont stand against the bad cops that disturbs me. The blue wall is real and good cops wont cross it.
So that leaves it in the publics hands. Its time for change.
Second I dont like Obama talking about one instance of many in America. Hes only addressing it because some people make a living off racial tension and he is certainly one of them. He needs to shut his mouth and focus on the country, not individuals.
This is what I think the biggest problem with thw police force today is. There are good and bad people in the world. There are good and bad cops. Its when the good cops dont stand against the bad cops that disturbs me. The blue wall is real and good cops wont cross it.
So that leaves it in the publics hands. Its time for change.
There is a problem it's obvious to anyone willing to look, but in all honesty it reminds me of the American education systems 'dance of the lemons' or the sever criminal cases against priests that began to circulate in 2000 or so. All of these situations involved what are considered 'protected' and selfless jobs where people are expected to serve the greater good. However it seems to me anytime a problem or individual commits a crime the lock down within that profession or the red tape etc prevents any outside interference and is, as far as I have seen, designed only to protect those on the inside regardless of the responsibility or destructive intent of that individual. Eventhorizon revered to it as the blue wall with cops and I agree but the structure of the blue wall mentality is all over the place.
When you add the politics and internal professional relations of lawyers, judges, cops, administrations, etc the entire system seems ridiculous to me. The public is expecting and waiting for justice to prevail yet no matter what system or intent of that system, be it judicial, educational or even religious; politics and money talk. I am not talking about anything as clear as bribes or hierarchy, what I refer to is all individuals being aware that they make up a larger system and if the administrators or board make a decision that is distasteful to some they loose funding. If the lawyers are not willing to bend and manipulate certain cases they have no favors to pull when they require them, and sometimes if cops don't play the game they could find themselves without anyone backing them up or hung out to dry screwed over at the worst possible moment. Without knowing and preparing for these games you'd be entirely ineffective and blind. I sometimes wonder if all the laws, regulations and systems that were created with the intent to keep everything clear and civilized in actually crippled everyone from action instead.
When you add the politics and internal professional relations of lawyers, judges, cops, administrations, etc the entire system seems ridiculous to me. The public is expecting and waiting for justice to prevail yet no matter what system or intent of that system, be it judicial, educational or even religious; politics and money talk. I am not talking about anything as clear as bribes or hierarchy, what I refer to is all individuals being aware that they make up a larger system and if the administrators or board make a decision that is distasteful to some they loose funding. If the lawyers are not willing to bend and manipulate certain cases they have no favors to pull when they require them, and sometimes if cops don't play the game they could find themselves without anyone backing them up or hung out to dry screwed over at the worst possible moment. Without knowing and preparing for these games you'd be entirely ineffective and blind. I sometimes wonder if all the laws, regulations and systems that were created with the intent to keep everything clear and civilized in actually crippled everyone from action instead.
Nothing to discuss. People are authorized to murder black people.
Because of the internet, it's finally realized.
Because of the internet, it's finally realized.
We live in a society where technology allows us to achieve greater things. There is absolutely no reason we cannot use technology to monitor police. Some police dont like it, I dont care. If you dont stand up and point out the people you work with that shouldnt have that job you dont get a say.
Ive emailed my state representatives telling them I was to see our police force use video monitoring. What have you done?
Ive emailed my state representatives telling them I was to see our police force use video monitoring. What have you done?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-12-03/body-camera-all-nypd-officers-will-soon-wear
Hopefully this expands quickly across the country.
Also apparently Obama has had some influence in getting this in place. If so its the only thing hes ever done right even if its for all the wrong reasons on his end.
Hopefully this expands quickly across the country.
Also apparently Obama has had some influence in getting this in place. If so its the only thing hes ever done right even if its for all the wrong reasons on his end.
When a Non-White Cop Killed an Innocent White Man in Utah, the Press Was Silent
Dean Garrison August 21, 2014
It has been reported that cops kill about 500 innocent Americans per year. Yet most of those stories stay buried or at best, see limited life in local media or the blogosphere. Only the select, as in selected by the media, stories become as big as the Michael Brown story. Certain stories simply transcend the perceived boredom of news headlines and become a part of pop culture.
Does the media intentionally stir up racial hatred? Is it part of their agenda?
Is it because blacks in Ferguson rioted and looted while whites in Salt Lake City have remained calm?
America needs to find answers, because this racial divide is moronic. We are all "Americans," and not "African-Americans," or "Asian-Americans," or "Redneck-Americans," or anything else. We are Americans first, and we need to remember that. It is OK to love and celebrate your heritage. It is not OK to let it consume who you are and carry hatred that will explode at a moment's notice.
Ever heard of a kid named Dillon Taylor?
He was a white kid, 20 years old, who was killed by a black cop on August 11. This happened two days after Michael Brown was killed.
Dillon Taylor seems to be a young man who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. He was leaving a 7-11 convenience store. Officers were in the area because there was a report of a man with a gun.
Taylor had headphones in and did not hear the police when they asked him to lay down on the ground.
Taylor, unfortunately, reached into his pocket, for a cell phone, and that was the last thing he ever did. He had no gun. He did not rob any stores. He did not assault a police officer.
His "crime" was that he did not think, and that non-crime cost him his life.
Officers were obviously in a heightened state of alert, and a white kid with headphones happened to be killed by a cop who was referred to as "not white."
Do you think that was because of his race? I don't think it was, and that's my personal opinion, but…Where are the riots in Salt Lake City? Surely a lot of whites have to think that this was racially motivated. Right?
Wrong. I think most people (black and white) understand that it was probably not racially motivated. The frustration that falls over much of "white America" is that we are all thrown into one big pile of racists and if a white on black crime happens, the worst always gets assumed by a minority of people and is then pushed by the media, continually growing exponentially until out of control. That is when the real problems begin to happen.
That is also exactly where we are with the situation in Ferguson. I live in a country where I am labeled a racist for not liking Obama's policies. If I don't like Obamacare, I am a racist and even a white man will call me that, so long as he is a Democrat.
When are people going to wake up and see that "the powers that be," which include both media and government, want us to stay divided? They really don't want me and a black man in Murrieta, California to agree on anything. That would eat away at the power that they only keep when we remain divided. We give them that power by our senseless bickering.
I think most of us could understand how the police might have felt that Dillon Taylor was reaching for a gun. I, for one, don't think this had anything to do with race. I think it was about a cop who felt his life was in danger. So why is it so hard to believe that Darren Wilson could have thought the same thing?
Why is it that, often times, when a white man, or any man who is not black in the case of George Zimmerman, kills a black man, it becomes a media circus?
We will get nowhere by avoiding the tough questions in the name of "political correctness."
People need to stop thinking that the black man or the white man is their enemy and look at the real enemy that resides throughout the halls of capitol buildings all over this nation and in newsrooms in virtually every city.
America needs to do some soul searching and come together in spite of those who want us divided. A lot of us are waking up and that is what "the powers that be" fear. So what happens when they fear that we will come together?
They stir up more chaos just as they are doing in Ferguson and just as they did with Trayvon Martin.
This will continue until Americans open their eyes and start to see the real enemy.
http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/08/black-cop-killed-innocent-white-man-utah-press-silent/
Dean Garrison August 21, 2014
It has been reported that cops kill about 500 innocent Americans per year. Yet most of those stories stay buried or at best, see limited life in local media or the blogosphere. Only the select, as in selected by the media, stories become as big as the Michael Brown story. Certain stories simply transcend the perceived boredom of news headlines and become a part of pop culture.
Does the media intentionally stir up racial hatred? Is it part of their agenda?
Is it because blacks in Ferguson rioted and looted while whites in Salt Lake City have remained calm?
America needs to find answers, because this racial divide is moronic. We are all "Americans," and not "African-Americans," or "Asian-Americans," or "Redneck-Americans," or anything else. We are Americans first, and we need to remember that. It is OK to love and celebrate your heritage. It is not OK to let it consume who you are and carry hatred that will explode at a moment's notice.
Ever heard of a kid named Dillon Taylor?
He was a white kid, 20 years old, who was killed by a black cop on August 11. This happened two days after Michael Brown was killed.
Dillon Taylor seems to be a young man who was in the wrong place at the wrong time. He was leaving a 7-11 convenience store. Officers were in the area because there was a report of a man with a gun.
Taylor had headphones in and did not hear the police when they asked him to lay down on the ground.
Taylor, unfortunately, reached into his pocket, for a cell phone, and that was the last thing he ever did. He had no gun. He did not rob any stores. He did not assault a police officer.
His "crime" was that he did not think, and that non-crime cost him his life.
Officers were obviously in a heightened state of alert, and a white kid with headphones happened to be killed by a cop who was referred to as "not white."
Do you think that was because of his race? I don't think it was, and that's my personal opinion, but…Where are the riots in Salt Lake City? Surely a lot of whites have to think that this was racially motivated. Right?
Wrong. I think most people (black and white) understand that it was probably not racially motivated. The frustration that falls over much of "white America" is that we are all thrown into one big pile of racists and if a white on black crime happens, the worst always gets assumed by a minority of people and is then pushed by the media, continually growing exponentially until out of control. That is when the real problems begin to happen.
That is also exactly where we are with the situation in Ferguson. I live in a country where I am labeled a racist for not liking Obama's policies. If I don't like Obamacare, I am a racist and even a white man will call me that, so long as he is a Democrat.
When are people going to wake up and see that "the powers that be," which include both media and government, want us to stay divided? They really don't want me and a black man in Murrieta, California to agree on anything. That would eat away at the power that they only keep when we remain divided. We give them that power by our senseless bickering.
I think most of us could understand how the police might have felt that Dillon Taylor was reaching for a gun. I, for one, don't think this had anything to do with race. I think it was about a cop who felt his life was in danger. So why is it so hard to believe that Darren Wilson could have thought the same thing?
Why is it that, often times, when a white man, or any man who is not black in the case of George Zimmerman, kills a black man, it becomes a media circus?
We will get nowhere by avoiding the tough questions in the name of "political correctness."
People need to stop thinking that the black man or the white man is their enemy and look at the real enemy that resides throughout the halls of capitol buildings all over this nation and in newsrooms in virtually every city.
America needs to do some soul searching and come together in spite of those who want us divided. A lot of us are waking up and that is what "the powers that be" fear. So what happens when they fear that we will come together?
They stir up more chaos just as they are doing in Ferguson and just as they did with Trayvon Martin.
This will continue until Americans open their eyes and start to see the real enemy.
http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/08/black-cop-killed-innocent-white-man-utah-press-silent/
I'll be sure to change something about the world one infjs.com post at a time.
Also, fuck you for using me to garner appreciation
This cop is a piece of shit. He has a history of misconduct.
http://www.ibtimes.com/who-daniel-p...ed-eric-garner-was-accused-misconduct-1733094
http://www.ibtimes.com/who-daniel-p...ed-eric-garner-was-accused-misconduct-1733094
It's been pretty thoroughly established that having irrefutable video evidence of unjustified police violence does not change anything. A good lawyer with connections in the courts can easily and completely ruin any chance for legitimate justice.
The judicial process is fucked so thoroughly that, in any sufficiently biased community that takes part in hero worship, concrete evidence becomes a null value.
[video=youtube;ZjZysVHLA2Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjZysVHLA2Y[/video]
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lmao where did this come from
Its a start. If its nothing more than the possibility of showing whats actually taking place to the public and having the public in turn say "we dont want that" its still a start. Its not the full solution but its the beginning of one.
Presidents always talk to the nation in anecdotes.
Every president in the TV age has. If you watch a State of the Union Address every social policy issue is accented by the story of some individual.
We as a nation focus on individuals, look at how much attention those two window washers on the world trade center got.
Often the case of the individual is imperfect but still will hold the projections of the masses (and different projections dependent on which masses we are talking about.)
There is a recurring theme in these killings of Black men by white police officers. (they're Black)
You are describing the rational process of observing, hypothesizing, and drawing conclusions.
Racism and hero worship are not rational; they are irrational by their very nature. You don't get rid of them by pointing out how irrational they are.
The only way you're going to get rid of racism is through the consistent, focused marginalization and ostracism of racists. This is like, the one situation where groupthink is good and acceptable.
These stories are being commented on by Obama because Obama is black and he feeds off racial tension. It is not only black people dying at the hands of police officers and marketing change for this reason alone dooms it to fail. I want real change here because its needed. Why has Obama not commented on the white people who have died at the hands of police officers? Theres been many. This is my point about Obama. Hes not a leader, hes an opportunist.
Ill add one thing here because I think its been misunderstood. The only reason I see this as a white against black issue is because the liberal media is telling me thats what it is and thats the way I am supposed to think about it. I sure am glad Ive been told what to think because otherwise I simply would have seen and American being unduly attacked for no reason in Garners case.
And as a result you've missed one of the main points of the issue entirely. As I said, police are not afraid of concrete evidence, nor are they much afraid of the judiciary. The reason for this is the permissive nature of our society. The corrupt, the dishonest, and yes, the racist, are allowed to flourish. There are a lot of reasons for this, none of which is entirely. People get hung up on the big push behind ideas like "cops are heroes" which easily follows into "cops can do no wrong" which then allows cops to murder someone and then avoid prosecution in court. Garner's death might not have been racially charged, but the misconduct trial sure as shit was (jurors can be racist, too).
