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Doomsday Clock Set at 3 Minutes to Midnight

Answer to number 1. Yes. We are like cockroaches. Technology will save us. At least one person is working to solve our problems. Those problems will never end, and so it will seem like we are screwed. In all reality, what will screw us are the limitations of physics, which I'm unsure if we'll be able to get around.

2. I don't see the climate change as so important, but really it is the economy that is inefficient. Fix the economy, and a lot of waste goes away. A lot of waste goes away and the environment improves. For example, logging. Find a way for people to create a wood substitute out of the plastic in landfills, and logging goes away. Big source of waste is in healthcare. There is a ton of inflation there, the kind that doesn't come from a growing economy. I don't know how I'd do it, but the idea is to have medicine cost less. I don't know how doctors would respond to this. Probably negatively, because it is free money for them. If while society burns, you're on top, you don't care, except for a minority. Whether this minority is vocal or not? I don't know.

3. Why do you think people listen to the playboy bunny talk about how autism is related to vaccines? It's likely the people who believe it are very persuasive. You can get people to agree with anything if you know how.

As a note, I'm still unsure how much of this climate change is natural, and how much is unnatural.

4. Nuclear weapons are a luxury. We don't need them. That said, so are forks and knives. Are we ever going to give up forks and knives?

As to the number, it doesn't matter. In between mad and none.
 
Don't worry guys, Minecraft says we have waaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy more time:

[video=youtube;F1CddzgVW14]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1CddzgVW14[/video]
 
12:57pm is nowhere near 3 mins to midnight.

I couldn't get past that to give any credence to the rest.
 
12:57pm is nowhere near 3 mins to midnight.

I couldn't get past that to give any credence to the rest.

It’s supposed to be a mental/visual representation of the possibility of a “Doomsday” type event that the human race couldn’t recover from.
I know there are semantics to be played with everything, so in that sense I suppose the idea of the clock itself has failed since people either ignore it out of impotence or pick apart the idea itself.
Perhaps we deserve to cease.
 
I'm not into chicken little theories with no evidence, even when they're promoted by scientists. Being a scientist doesn't make you all-knowing.
 
Do you think humanity stands a chance of surviving on it’s current path?
I think that humanity will survive, it's just a matter of how much of it will. It seems to me that it has already gone through catastrophic events before.

What would be your number one priority if you had the power to bring about change?
For people to start caring more about the world they live in, and the people with whom they're in it.

Why do you think people still not believe that our global climate is changing and the driver being humans?
They can't think of an immediate and simple solution, so they would prefer for it not to be true. Some will spend nearly as much, or more, mental effort to deny it's happening as they would to try to fix it.

Are nuclear weapons still necessary? How many do we need?
I can see having some strictly internationally controlled for rogue states and perhaps other unforeseens that might require such force. That said, the amount we have now is ludicrous. To have 5,000+ nukes and act as the world watchdog for nukes is obviously hypocritical.

There is no sane reason to have enough nukes to wipe out the world multiple times over, or to have dirty bombs whose only purpose is slaughter of civilians.
 
I'm not into chicken little theories with no evidence, even when they're promoted by scientists. Being a scientist doesn't make you all-knowing.
Please elaborate...
 
I am not worried because I believe that the Justice League or The Avengers will sort this out.
 
Please elaborate...
There's evidence of climate change. Nothing to suggest though that it's "the biggest problem ever" or an "emergency" that needs immediate attention. There's a reason this stuff is politicized. Because it's a convenient excuse for power grabs.
 
There's evidence of climate change. Nothing to suggest though that it's "the biggest problem ever" or an "emergency" that needs immediate attention. There's a reason this stuff is politicized. Because it's a convenient excuse for power grabs.
I want to hear from both sides of the spectrum…but it seems that those who want to dismiss climate change as being severely enhanced by mankind, or that we are at a critical crux in how long we have to react….are exactly those who would benefit from it like Koch Industries and well, all the major oil companies out there…not to mention power companies who want to do away with costly emission controls.
My other question is this?
If we did decide as a species living on this planet to do the things that would hopefully slow (unlikely to reverse) climate change…wouldn’t it be better for the Earth whom my (and possibly your own) children walk upon to clean our act up?
So what would we have to lose by following stricter emission controls? Yes, the cost could be passed on to the consumer, but the market will dictate the prices…if people can’t pay then they lose too.
 
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(Off the NASA site)

List of Worldwide Scientific Organizations


(Scientific Organizations That Hold the Position That Climate Change Has Been Caused by Human Action)


  1. Academia Chilena de Ciencias, Chile
  2. Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa, Portugal
  3. Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana
  4. Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela
  5. Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala
  6. Academia Mexicana de Ciencias,Mexico
  7. Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia
  8. Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru
  9. Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
  10. Académie des Sciences, France
  11. Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada
  12. Academy of Athens
  13. Academy of Science of Mozambique
  14. Academy of Science of South Africa
  15. Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS)
  16. Academy of Sciences Malaysia
  17. Academy of Sciences of Moldova
  18. Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic
  19. Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran
  20. Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt
  21. Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand
  22. Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy
  23. Africa Centre for Climate and Earth Systems Science
  24. African Academy of Sciences
  25. Albanian Academy of Sciences
  26. Amazon Environmental Research Institute
  27. American Academy of Pediatrics
  28. American Anthropological Association
  29. American Association for the Advancement of Science
  30. American Association of State Climatologists (AASC)
  31. American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
  32. American Astronomical Society
  33. American Chemical Society
  34. American College of Preventive Medicine
  35. American Fisheries Society
  36. American Geophysical Union
  37. American Institute of Biological Sciences
  38. American Institute of Physics
  39. American Meteorological Society
  40. American Physical Society
  41. American Public Health Association
  42. American Quaternary Association
  43. American Society for Microbiology
  44. American Society of Agronomy
  45. American Society of Civil Engineers
  46. American Society of Plant Biologists
  47. American Statistical Association
  48. Association of Ecosystem Research Centers
  49. Australian Academy of Science
  50. Australian Bureau of Meteorology
  51. Australian Coral Reef Society
  52. Australian Institute of Marine Science
  53. Australian Institute of Physics
  54. Australian Marine Sciences Association
  55. Australian Medical Association
  56. Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
  57. Bangladesh Academy of Sciences
  58. Botanical Society of America
  59. Brazilian Academy of Sciences
  60. British Antarctic Survey
  61. Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
  62. California Academy of Sciences
  63. Cameroon Academy of Sciences
  64. Canadian Association of Physicists
  65. Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
  66. Canadian Geophysical Union
  67. Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
  68. Canadian Society of Soil Science
  69. Canadian Society of Zoologists
  70. Caribbean Academy of Sciences views
  71. Center for International Forestry Research
  72. Chinese Academy of Sciences
  73. Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences
  74. Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) (Australia)
  75. Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research
  76. Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences
  77. Crop Science Society of America
  78. Cuban Academy of Sciences
  79. Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters
  80. Ecological Society of America
  81. Ecological Society of Australia
  82. Environmental Protection Agency
  83. European Academy of Sciences and Arts
  84. European Federation of Geologists
  85. European Geosciences Union
  86. European Physical Society
  87. European Science Foundation
  88. Federation of American Scientists
  89. French Academy of Sciences
  90. Geological Society of America
  91. Geological Society of Australia
  92. Geological Society of London
  93. Georgian Academy of Sciences
  94. German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina
  95. Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
  96. Indian National Science Academy
  97. Indonesian Academy of Sciences
  98. Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management
  99. Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology
  100. Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand
  101. Institution of Mechanical Engineers, UK
  102. InterAcademy Council
  103. International Alliance of Research Universities
  104. International Arctic Science Committee
  105. International Association for Great Lakes Research
  106. International Council for Science
  107. International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
  108. International Research Institute for Climate and Society
  109. International Union for Quaternary Research
  110. International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
  111. International Union of Pure and Applied Physics
  112. Islamic World Academy of Sciences
  113. Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities
  114. Kenya National Academy of Sciences
  115. Korean Academy of Science and Technology
  116. Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts
  117. l'Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
  118. Latin American Academy of Sciences
  119. Latvian Academy of Sciences
  120. Lithuanian Academy of Sciences
  121. Madagascar National Academy of Arts, Letters, and Sciences
  122. Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology
  123. Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts
  124. National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina
  125. National Academy of Sciences of Armenia
  126. National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic
  127. National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka
  128. National Academy of Sciences, United States of America
  129. National Aeronautics and Space Administration
  130. National Association of Geoscience Teachers
  131. National Association of State Foresters
  132. National Center for Atmospheric Research
  133. National Council of Engineers Australia
  134. National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand
  135. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
  136. National Research Council
  137. National Science Foundation
  138. Natural England
  139. Natural Environment Research Council, UK
  140. Natural Science Collections Alliance
  141. Network of African Science Academies
  142. New York Academy of Sciences
  143. Nicaraguan Academy of Sciences
  144. Nigerian Academy of Sciences
  145. Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters
  146. Oklahoma Climatological Survey
  147. Organization of Biological Field Stations
  148. Pakistan Academy of Sciences
  149. Palestine Academy for Science and Technology
  150. Pew Center on Global Climate Change
  151. Polish Academy of Sciences
  152. Romanian Academy
  153. Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium
  154. Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain
  155. Royal Astronomical Society, UK
  156. Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters
  157. Royal Irish Academy
  158. Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
  159. Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences
  160. Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research
  161. Royal Scientific Society of Jordan
  162. Royal Society of Canada
  163. Royal Society of Chemistry, UK
  164. Royal Society of the United Kingdom
  165. Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
  166. Russian Academy of Sciences
  167. Science and Technology, Australia
  168. Science Council of Japan
  169. Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research
  170. Scientific Committee on Solar-Terrestrial Physics
  171. Scripps Institution of Oceanography
  172. Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts
  173. Slovak Academy of Sciences
  174. Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts
  175. Society for Ecological Restoration International
  176. Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics
  177. Society of American Foresters
  178. Society of Biology (UK)
  179. Society of Systematic Biologists
  180. Soil Science Society of America
  181. Sudan Academy of Sciences
  182. Sudanese National Academy of Science
  183. Tanzania Academy of Sciences
  184. The Wildlife Society (international)
  185. Turkish Academy of Sciences
  186. Uganda National Academy of Sciences
  187. Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities
  188. United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
  189. University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
  190. Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
  191. World Association of Zoos and Aquariums
  192. World Federation of Public Health Associations
  193. World Forestry Congress
  194. World Health Organization
  195. World Meteorological Organization
  196. Zambia Academy of Sciences
  197. Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences
 
I want to hear from both sides of the spectrum…but it seems that those who want to dismiss climate change as being severely enhanced by mankind, or that we are at a critical crux in how long we have to react….are exactly those who would benefit from it like Koch Industries and well, all the major oil companies out there…not to mention power companies who want to do away with costly emission controls.
My other question is this?
If we did decide as a species living on this planet to do the things that would hopefully slow (unlikely to reverse) climate change…wouldn’t it be better for the Earth whom my (and possibly your own) children walk upon to clean our act up?
So what would we have to lose by following stricter emission controls? Yes, the cost could be passed on to the consumer, but the market will dictate the prices…if people can’t pay then they lose too.
I'm not against taking care of the earth. When it comes to actual pollution, I'm all for protection. But I'm not sure how much CO2 counts as a pollutant, and what I don't like about current environmental protection is how centralized it is, and how little it pays attention to context. Banning entire product categories (like 2 cycle diesel engines) rather than regulating the emissions they create. It's not the concept, but the methodology that I have the biggest problem with.


I'd be all in favor of cap & trade as a means of limiting pollution, for example, but excessive EPA regulation bothers me a lot..
 
because it’s got Organic Acid now…
http://www.thumpertalk.com/topic/950865-make-your-own-engine-ice-antifreeze-for-15th-the-cost/

Remember Sears houses?
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=modular+homes

They have “maker” spaces that have popped up lately where people can go and learn from others in your community how to do certain things like weld or use woodworking tools…etc, etc, (they have extensive list of subjects) all free and volunteer…they are interesting.
Links?

So what would we have to lose by following stricter emission controls? Yes, the cost could be passed on to the consumer, but the market will dictate the prices…if people can’t pay then they lose too.

Emissions are scraps of lost product so there is already incentive there to profit. You are also forgetting the failure rate of legal enforcement that would create more economic instability.

Maybe some day we will take off all these green handicaps and go back to work at being awesome beyond temporary means.
 
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