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Direct democracy - the only true democracy?

Hector said:
Militias still exist today, but today they are commonly known as the national guard..
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The national guard are not the equivalent in my eyes

The national guard are controlled by the international banksters which the original militias developed to throw out

There are peoples militias around the US and no doubt many of them are linking up
 
muir said:
In switzerland for example you need to get a certain number of signatories to a petition before it can be decided under referendum (best check but i think it's something like 100,000 signatories)
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It is usually in a form of percentage of the registered voters in the country.
 
muir said:
The national guard are not the equivalent in my eyes

The national guard are controlled by the international banksters
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They are controlled by the governor of the state.

Still, the USA has the Second amendment as a safety mechanism.
 
Hector said:
Only women and helots were not allowed to vote.

Greek democracy was all about equals making decision about their own destiny. Not to say that oratorical skills mixed with dialectical approach couldn't direct the opinion of the majority, but same mechanisms exist today in a form of PR, marketing etc.
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I'm not saying they had the best system i'm just saying that they came up with a form that gave people a voice

In an age where the multinational corporations are currently usurping power off national governments through treaties such as tafta and the TTIP and where countries are being absorbed into larger blocks like the EU or NAFTA we are seeing democratic power move further and further away from people and their communities

At the same time we have seen the corporate system DELIBERATELY globalise things like food production so that instead of living off seasonal produce we now can have different foods all year around brought in from the other side of the planet!

We need to see an increase in LOCALISM not just in terms of food growth and production skills of useful things like housing and clothes etc but also in political terms where we see peoples involvement in the decision making process grow
 
Hector said:
They are controlled by the governor of the state.

Still, the USA has the Second amendment as a safety mechanism.
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But the federal government is sending national guard to africa to 'combat' ebola?
 
muir said:
At the same time we have seen the corporate system DELIBERATELY globalise things like food production so that instead of living off seasonal produce we know can have different foods all year around brought in from the other side of the planet!
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Monsanto is putting a lot of pressure on the EU regarding GMO seed. Problem is that the GMO seed is acting as a weed towards the natural seed which means it naturally eradicates all possible competition out of the crop field.

Luckily, Svalbard vault has stored the seeds from all around the world. (I assume if their plan goes wrong so we don't all starve to death).
 
Hector said:
Monsanto is putting a lot of pressure on the EU regarding GMO seed. Problem is that the GMO seed is acting as a weed towards the natural seed which means it naturally eradicates all possible competition out of the crop field.

Luckily, Svalbard vault has stored the seeds from all around the world. (I assume if their plan goes wrong so we don't all starve to death).
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Well the svalbard vault is funded by bill gates and bill gates is a major shareholder in monsanto so....

if we had a more direct form of democracy psychopaths wouldn't be able to play god with our world

Kew gardens in london also has a seed bank in an underground bunker
 
Hector said:
Well, they don't need trained people to kill unarmed Africans..
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No they just need bio weapons like AID's and ebola to do that

But armed people can be used to protect agents as they spread bio weapons around
 
[MENTION=1871]muir[/MENTION]
If anarchy is the way to keep power in the hands of people then why are governments in power almost everywhere when humans most probably started with anarchy?
 
sprinkles said:
Yes and a quorum has nothing to do with direct democracy.
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Quorum means if you don't have enough number of the referendum participants then the entire referendum is invalid and can be repeated in a legally specified time frame. Usually 365 days.

Referendum is the only true manifestation of the will of the people hence has everything to do with direct democracy.

sprinkles said:
... no? I don't understand how that relates to what I said...
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I believe you.
 
muir said:
No they just need bio weapons like AID's and ebola to do that

But armed people can be used to protect agents as they spread bio weapons around
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AIDS was intended to kill the blacks, ebola as well. As you can see, there IS a cure, naturally they had one in case things go wrong, as they did..
 
sprinkles said:
@muir
If anarchy is the way to keep power in the hands of people then why are governments in power almost everywhere when humans most probably started with anarchy?
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Psychopaths

So now we are aware of psychopaths and can even identify them through brain scans it is time in human evolution where we began to protect ourselves from them

There are different forms of anarchy but what i'm saying is that rather than let the fabian socialist globalists lead us into their vision for a centrally controlled world government which they will control and enforce using an invasive totalitarian police state we, the people, should instead begin a public dialogue over ways to increase our voice in the decision making process

The psychopaths want to take us in one direction so we need to go in the other one

'peoples assemblies' have proven successful in the occupy movement

http://www.peoplesassemblies.org/
 
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Hector said:
Quorum means if you don't have enough number of the referendum participants then the entire referendum is invalid and can be repeated in a legally specified time frame. Usually 365 days.

Referendum is the only true manifestation of the will of the people hence has everything to do with direct democracy.
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Our House of Representatives and Senate also have quorum rules so you're actually wrong. Quorum is not an exclusive aspect of referendum.


I believe you.
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Is that entirely necessary? I'm being civil. Don't start with me. If you do it's your own fault.
 
Hector said:
AIDS was intended to kill the blacks, ebola as well. As you can see, there IS a cure, naturally they had one in case things go wrong, as they did..
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Sure they want to depopulate africa and exploit its mineral resources and its land as part of UN Agenda 21
 
Hector said:
Neither I said that it was an exclusive aspect, but you said the following:

I though I had to clarify a thing or a two.
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Clarify what? I'm correct. Quorum is a thing in common but so are constituents and some times people wearing suits even.

I'm wearing a tuxedo.
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I don't believe you.
 
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