True democracy? Democracy failed with the greeks.
*minorities - not referencing race, orientation or gender, just simple minorities, the people who are always outvoted by the majority in a democracy and can lose their rights to the majority if the majority wanted to take them.
Switzerland has a population of just over 8 million people, more people live in the city of New York then the entire country of Switzerland.
True democracy? Democracy failed with the greeks.
Yes we need to include everyone in the decision making of their communitieds at every level
As this was implemented the eductaion system would improve, the health system would improve, tax havens would dissapear and the super rich would have nowhere to fell to as more and more countries changed to the new system
The internet offers the means to gather everyones democratic vote
There would be no issue of 'cost' as such a system would eliminate vast amounts of governmental infrastructure thereby saving billions of dollars
There is an issue of cost because there's only a finite number willing, able, and trusted enough to gather opinions and then implement them fairly without cheating.
You can have open voting where your name is shown alongside your vote
if people are happy to have open voting then they can go on the website and make sure that the right vote is next to their name
You cannot count millions of votes by yourself so you can't actually do the math. And if you get the numbers from a site, there's no telling if they're actually real.People would also be able to do their own maths and check the votes add up
You misunderstand what I mean by cost. I don't mean money. I mean the time it takes to give an adequate amount of attention. That is why I said computational cost.Low cost and much cheaper than hiring all the gravy train riding politicans, supportive civil servant staff and quangos
I think obamas last presidential campaign was a billion dollars? (all from his corporate sponsors)
Well that money could be taken form those corporate sponsors through a fairer taxation system and who do you think will impose that? Corrupt politicians? No chance! Only the people would
That could be used to violate privacy and might even lead to violent retaliation against certain voters. That is why votes are confidential. You vote whatever way you want and you shouldn't have to defend it.
You cannot count millions of votes by yourself so you can't actually do the math. And if you get the numbers from a site, there's no telling if they're actually real.
You misunderstand what I mean by cost. I don't mean money. I mean the time it takes to give an adequate amount of attention. That is why I said computational cost.
It's like a computer processor. It can only do so many instructions before it becomes overloaded and can't go any faster.
@muir
Who decides what we vote on and who then implements it?
Edit:
Your proposal is about as likely to work as anarchy.
It is a form of anarchy
The people decide what they vote on
In switzerland for example you need to get a certain number of signatories to a petition before it can be decided under referendum (best check but i think it's something like 100,000 signatories)
I don't know wny you think anarchy doesn't work...ultimately it's probably the only thing that can work long term
Direct democracy works great for small communities or even small countries.
However, the larger the community is, the more computationally expensive it is to get everyone's opinion, and to have a truly direct democracy you must be able to get literally EVERYONE'S opinion.
In the USA though, we have an interesting case. We have federal and state government which operate quite a bit differently because well, it's actually a union of states. Our laws can differ from state to state and about half our states actually have provisions in place for direct democracy on the state level, and some cities also may use direct democracy.
Because anarchists are basically defenseless unless they form a unified body of some kind and if you have a unified body you basically have a government.
It's like Christiania in Denmark. They're a vaguely anarchist community of 800 or so people and they pretty much only exist because the government ignores them. They have common laws such as no guns, no hard drugs etc. but that's only because people are kind enough to let them be. They're very lucky.
If anarchy worked so well it would be in effect. It depends too much on good natures which are easily upset and destroyed by small but powerful entities.
Democracy didn't fail with the greeks
That's not to say that tyrants didn't usurp democracy
But democrcay served the greeks well
They had a good system where the towns people gathered in a public assembly and would talk issues out and then vote
This could be done electronically and transparently nowadays with the internet
How do you think your country was formed?
The people formed militias