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    With lots of money "usually" follows corruption.
     
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    I have contemplated this before and came to the same conclusion. Also, didn't it say at one time..."life, liberty, and (property)..oh no they changed it to pursuit of happiness, that way they can get away with it. I may have to leave the fire dept soon due to high blood pressure and if I leave on disability I won't have to pay property taxes on the house I'm living until I die. Thats about the only way you can own something..temporarily..
     
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    ...at the end of a cycle of any empire...

    Third, government corruption. This can come in many forms although it seems typically a combination of some mixture of oligarchs, plutocrats, and kleptocrats taking control of the government. It doesn’t matter the type of government either. They can be democratic with a parliament, an autocratic monarchy or any combination of political-economic union of governing. Regardless of the type of the government the overall effect is that the rich/powerful and their associates acquire more wealth and power while the poor and ignorant become locked in a cycle. When this occurs the under-privileged have nothing to lose if they revolt literally or figuratively. Anecdotally, it seems from pre-historic/Biblical times up to modern instances that when women enter into the revolt governments are doomed.
     
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  5. Not sure if this is the right place to post this....I've been hearing a lot about the deep state lately and questioning whether such a thing actually exists.

     
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    To some extent, yes. The U.S. government is beyond corrupt...I'm older, so I remember a more "normal" time.

    I don't think Trump really won the election. I do think he is compromised. He made promises to Russia, "If I become president, I will....", and so he is obligated. Get real. Trump is using his role as president to destroy U.S. culture, dignity, government...etc.

    Can we quit pretending that he doesn't lie?

    Journalist: "Why did you lie about [...]?"

    That's the only question worth asking. Dancing around the issue is silly.
     
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    I don't think governments ever disappear, they just morph.
     
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    Corruption is like currency. Its just how governments operate. You have to remember that governments are not accountable to the people. They are accountable to their winning coilition. Its the winning coilition that decides who is in power and who gets to keep power. Not the nominal selectorate. Corruption is just government functioning as it should.

    Another way to think about it is that corruption is like a duty. Its something that governments are obliged to do in all except writing.
     
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    government

    'govern'-'ment'

    govern: to rule & ment from the latin 'mens' for mind

    so government = to rule your mind
     
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    Only if that is what you wish to believe...(In which case, I would say you are subjectively correct!)

    "Government comes from the term govern. From Old French governer, derived from Latin gubernare "to direct, rule, guide, govern", which is derived from the Greek kybernan (to pilot a ship).

    Don't believe the nonsense you read online. There is precedent that the suffix -ment is derived from the latin mente meaning mind in some languages, particularly Old French. Words deriving from the mente sense generally have the suffix -wise or -ly, and are adverbial in nature.

    But, it is also from mentum - (instrument or medium). It is this second sense that was imported into English.

    In English, -ment means: the means or result of an action. Per multiple sources -ment is derived from the Latin mentum via Old French.
    For example, the Online Etymological Dictionary is quite clear on this subject."
     
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    He comes in 'ere, with his 'logic' and his 'facts'. You can prove anything with facts!

    Edit: I realised that I may need to explain the cultural reference for the 99.99% of you that aren't Stewart Lee fans:
     
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    so government never seeks to control your mind?

    also your excerpt there says that it comes from mente or mind...

    French
    Pronunciation
    Etymology 1
    From Middle French -ment, from Old French -ment, from Latin mente, ablative singular of mēns (“mind”). This Latin noun was feminine, which explains why adverbs formed with this suffix use the feminine form of the adjective; for example, vivement comes from vive (feminine form of vif) + -ment, and could be glossed as "in a lively spirit".

    Suffix
    -ment

    1. Used to form adverbs (from the feminine form of an adjective), most of the time equivalent to the English -wise, -ly.
      rapide + ‎-ment → ‎rapidement
    Usage notes
    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/-ment#French
     
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    But the basic point is that the etymology of a word can't really say anything meaningful about the activities of the thing it represents.

    That argument is just... Pythonesque in its absurdity.

    'So your ighness, what shall we call this thing you're doing here? How about 'wiserule'?'

    'Got anything more pointlessly sinister? Like "mind control"?'

    'Well, won't the people notice, m'lord?'

    'Nah'
     
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    what it can tell you is about the intent of the people behind it
     
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    Philology is harder than that.

    You'd have to do a whole Begriffsgeschichte on the word, which is a pretty big task.
     
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    Yes, it mentions it.
    It also says it’s mostly likely not the source.
    :m082:
     
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    If they did, I doubt they would name themselves something like “The Mind Overlords”...even in Latin...or old French.
     
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    why not?

    they call TV 'programming' don't they?

    they are literally programming your mind with TV
     
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    These are legit documentaries btw
     
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    It's definitely possible to control the masses, it's just not a conspiracy.

    We know about it. They don't care.

    But in terms of controlling large historic trends over centuries? No one's worked that out yet.
     
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