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    Result INTJ.
    Once again I am stuck between INFJ and INTJ
     
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    INTJs doesnt post much results in general, so in my own archives I have one example (but I dont generally archive the links or the picture - just the transcribed result to a sheet) and I can put what I do expect for a INTJ result:

    Example:

    EXTRAVERSION 36
    Activity 35
    Assertiveness 47
    Cheerfulness 45
    Excitement Seeking 38
    Friendliness 34
    Gregariousness 36
    AGREEABLENESS 3
    Altruism 7
    Cooperation 2
    Modesty 4
    Morality 50
    Sympathy 3
    Trust 16
    CONSCIENTIOUSNESS 72
    Achievement 24
    Cautiousness 81
    Dutifulness 85
    Orderliness 86
    Discipline 70
    Efficacy 41
    NEUROTIC 31
    Anger
    Anxiety
    Depression
    Immoderation
    Consciousness
    Vulnerability
    OPENESS 71
    Adventure 98
    Artistic 49
    Emotion 41
    Imagination 46
    Intellect 75
    Liberalism 44

    What I do expect for INTJ is:

    EXTRAVERSION 15
    Activity 50
    Assertiveness 30
    Cheerfulness ANY
    Excitement Seeking 30
    Friendliness 30
    Gregariousness 30
    AGREEABLENESS 30
    Altruism ANY
    Cooperation ANY
    Modesty 30
    Morality 50
    Sympathy 30
    Trust ANY
    CONSCIENTIOUSNESS 85
    Achievement 85
    Cautiousness 85
    Dutifulness ANY
    Orderliness 85
    Discipline 85
    Efficacy ANY

    OPENESS 70
    Adventure 50
    Artistic 50
    Emotion 30
    Imagination 75
    Intellect 90
    Liberalism 30

    The mapping is sort of complicated and there are weighted ranges (so, for example, in Conscientious INTJ score from 60th to 100th; Another more middle example, in Agreeableness you score INTJ on the 0th to 60th range).

    The main reasons you were pointed more towards F are related to the Agreeableness score, Morality facet, Sympathy facet (sympathy hits the "empathetic" department of feelers), Artistic Interests (very high go towards NF, NT is more towards middle), but also Conscientiousness. It is a little bit difficult to explain, but Conscientiousness is actually a little bit rigged towards Te and thinking, so while I expect all TJs but ISTJ to get 81th percentile or higher, I do expect FJs to get 70th percentile instead, that partially propagated into a few facets.

    The main reasons you were more closer to a perceiver was a high adventurous score in Openness, a very high Openness (that scores higher for NPs than NJs), low orderliness and low self-discipline.

    The reason ENFP suddenly showed up was related to 80-100th agreeableness, which I had estimated that ISFJ and ENFP are the highest but these are not that much reliable (specially for ENFP) so I need to change and fix that and the very high Openness to Experience. Openness is relatively similar to Ne and very similar to NP.

    I actually help people on type me threads on the other forums and sometimes I ask their Big 5 to help them determinate their type and this was sort of an automatized version of what I do (but it doesnt truly replace me, specially on the complicated cases). In my opinion, the results you posted are very INFJ and if I were to type you only on the big 5 results, I would say INFJ. People here are posting their general score (without facets) and if you compare your main big 5 traits with them (4, neuroticism doesnt count for MBTI) these are similar to people here posted as INFJ, so, sort of yeah, Im suggesting you to consider INFJ.
     
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    So how is your conversion valid with such low correlation to actual MBTI types?

    What is your method here if not statistical?
     
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    I am not sure if I really understood your question entirely, but lets go anyway.

    I dont have a complete data... I rely a lot in statistics, but not a 100%, specially when data is lacking. But I surely do have enough data for something good and decent, and I also have the concepts on my favour.

    First, the main facets of Big 5 and MBTI are correlated, this is from Wikipedia (which comes from a decent study):

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    Correlation references (from Malawi Med J):

    0.9-1 ->Almost equivalent/Very Strong
    0.7-0.9 ->Strong
    0.5-0.7 ->Moderate
    0.3-0.5 ->Weak
    Less than 0.3->Irrelevant/No correlation

    This is what I use for descriptions, for example, INTJ translate as high Introversion, High Openness, Low Agreeableness and High Conscientiousness. However, I know that without facets there is not really enough information - even if some few people claim so - to really go to a MBTI type. So, I did some months ago, I did took my own initiative and went digging on the internet, on a specific forum, and I did associated Big 5 with facets results with a cognitive functions result, and I had summed the functions in order to check with this source to see if correlations are close. They didnt at first, so I realized that unhealthy people (neuroticism>80 and emotionality<10) were "distrubing" the data. Without them, I had correlations close from the source.

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    So I had drawn correlations for facets:

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    1 – EXTRAVERSION

    2 -Activity

    3 – Assertiveness

    4 – Cheerfulness

    5 – Excitement Seeking

    6 – Friendliness

    7 – Gregariousness

    8 – AGREEABLENESS

    9 – Altruism

    10 – Cooperation

    11 – Modesty

    12 – Morality

    13 – Sympathy

    14 – Trust

    15 – CONSCIENTIOUSNESS

    16 – Achievement

    17 – Cautiousness

    18 – Dutifulness

    19 – Orderliness

    20 – Discipline

    21 – Efficacy

    29 – OPENNESS

    30 – Adventure

    31 – Artistic

    32 – Emotion

    33 – Imagination

    34 – Intellect

    35 – Liberalism

    With these, I had started to drawn a map, but I had also related concepts as well. The concept part is complicated, but it did gave me a hand at triage some few things, like removing trust regardless of the correlation (too context dependent), reducing Ni weight on Conscientiousness, not considering much Ti for artistic interests, etc....

    I also have the averages of all NP types plus INFJ, with a modest but great sample, except on the Extraversion of ENFP/ENTP (selected from people with less than 80 neuroticism and more than 10 on emotionality that had cognitive functions test results coherent with their own profile, which were few but very coherent).

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    So, this is very far from me just coming at nowhere and saying: "This is how INTJ should look like", its elaborated.

    Big 5, MBTI and partially Enneagram are different lens to the same thing: Personality. They are like cameras at different angles looking at the same thing. The cameras are different too - they have a different set of colours. Although they have few aspects that are unique to their view, in general they look at the same aspects, but with a different colour and tone. So with one camera I can deduce what another known camera should be seeing in the scene, if I know how to convert and switch colors.

    This is one reasons I like big 5, mbti, enneagram, they are not really enemies of each other, they are different views that overlaps a lot and can add to each other.
     
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    Just like with intelligence tests, I sometimes feel the same with personality tests. It would not be possible to measure an IQ>300, because there are no questions about it. It is possible that the speed with which someone gives the right answers will help you to draw conclusions...
    In personality tests I miss a measurement of the intensity of the individual character types. 5 gradations are at least a start.
    But with me I always find that I am between INFJ and INTJ.
    I actually can't decide. Also in tests between left and right brain hemisphere I am always in the middle. I make my decisions by considering whether it is better for this situation to be based on feeling or thinking now. But I do both very intensively. Everything else I find one-sided and not justified. And always I ask myself, are other people really so one-sided that they only follow their feelings or their logic. I actually cannot believe that.
    In addition, as an INFJ you are quite capable of putting yourself in other ways of thinking. Perhaps these aspects should be considered more in the tests. In order to be able to better evaluate such borderline situations.
    As an INFJ, I somehow know that I can't just rely on my feelings.
    While an INTJ might not even know that he should also rely on his feelings?
     
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    This is super interesting.

    This basically confirms my view that E/I and S/N are 'real', whereas T/F and J/P are 'not real', based upon neurophysical correlates like neuronal membrane thickness and acetylcholine vs dopamine preference.
     
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    I think what I’d like to explore is the flip side of my results. Because while I might be 73% on agreeableness, I am also 27% on disagreeableness.

    I think people generally do not understand this about other people - definitely about me, I’d say. That I can agree and disagree with someone on any number of topics based on my own personal values and beliefs. That also, the disagreeable side of me is going to be very different than the agreeable side.

    I have to retake the quiz, but I’m going to enter the opposite value and see what type I get because that should be the “shadow” MBTI.

    I wasn’t sure INFJ was going to come up for me with the converter, so I’m curious about the results here.
     
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    I'm thinking I got ISFJ because I answered a lot that I do not like change and I like routines. I prefer stability. I don't know if this is a typical infp trait or not but I don't think it means that I am Si dominant.
    I think this has a lot to do with being enneagram type 9 and preferring to feel comfortable.

    It is interesting to see that it is mostly INFJs who seem to get the correct result with this test.
     
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    I retook the test and got different results for the big 5, but it still translates into INFJ.

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    Both extraversion and neuroticism came down, possibly because I’ve been out and feel drained. I may be feeling less neurotic because I’ve been out.

    I also inputted the opposite values in and got...ESTP :tearsofjoy:. It’s interesting because when I put the values in I was like, this is totally my ex-roommate who I thought was an ESTP.
     
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    It’s interesting the highest correlate with Ni is discipline and the most negative, liberalism. This points to the whole INFJ aspect of getting stuck on one idea, not being open to other possibilities, etc.
     
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    The worse thing about these shadow theories is that in the end there are likely two shadow theories out there... One where the INFJ shadow is ESTP and another where the shadow is ENFP. Jung did not even bothered to relate his shadow concept to his types (or he did on a very unclear way). In this converter it should be just all letters flipped, specially because Big 5 is dichotomy in nature (there are no big 5 cognitive functions).





    Borderlines are common on MBTI world. I sort of have 2 of them, and one of them is thinking and feeling. I do relate to both too. Rigorously, you dont need to force yourself a choose or even bother to really choose.



    However, one thing you can do is trying the functions test. If Fi>Te=Ti>Fe is a common trend, I recommend to pick feeling, if Ti>Fe=Fi>Te I recommend to pick thinking, if Fe>Te=Ti>Fi or Te>Fi=Fe>Ti then its a little bit more complicated and I wouldnt do any specific recommendations, even though feeler is a little bit more likely to the Fe>Te=Ti>Fi and thinker for Te>Fi=Fe>Ti.



    I also recommend you to consider the enneagram. For example, INFJ 5 describes a INXJ quite well and is supposed to have a T/F borderline on a very specific ways. From INFJ side, enneagram combos with a F/T borderline are: INFJ 5 (as a must), INFJ 1(as likely – it depends), INFJ 6 (sometimes – it depends), INFJ 9 (sometimes – it depends), and you should definitely not be INFJ 2 or INFJ 4. From the INTJ side, enneagrams combos with a F/T borderline are: INTJ 4 (as a must), INTJ 6 (sometimes – it depends), INTJ 9 (likely – it depends) (INTJ 2 I dont forget, I take it as impossible combo), and you should definitely not be a INTJ 3 or a INTJ 5 (and quite unlikely to be INTJ 8).





    Yup.

    Why this confirms your view?





    Was your agreeableness on the 80-100 range or one of the agreeableness facets (not morality for ENFP) was on the 80-100 range? As I had said before, I really need to edit the excessive boost to ENFP and ISFJ scores for those on the 80-100 range on agreeableness, it didnt fully compromise most results but it seems to be a source of mistake. But quotev is glitched at least since monday and I cant properly fix it now until they fix the glitch.



    The routine and stability thing indeed change Openness to Experience, and since Openness relates to NP (more NP than Ne), any NP type is supposed to have high on it. But facets does have weight as well (imagination, specially).



    Thanks for the last phrase, I think it helps clarify why type 9 in average has low Openness and yet low Conscientiousness, but some N 9s doesnt lose score for Openness (and some do).
     
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    @Vendrah actually agreeableness and openness were my highest domains. High in emotion, liberalism, art, imagination and intellect. Not so much for adventure. But I do remember answering that I liked routine and didn't like change. I wish I had saved my results. I'm thinking about work changes; changes in policy or protocol or supervisors. But I also had a difficult time in the beginning of the pandemic when everything was shut down. It wasn't due to the isolation so much as it upended my whole routine and I had to readjust to everything. Once I established a routine or it became the new normal I was fine. I like predictability and order otherwise I start to feel untethered. I can adapt to change and overcome circumstances. But I much prefer to have it easygoing.
     
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    I just got the graphics out.
    What do you think about the Enneagram in relation to INFJ/INTJ ?Numbers_Enneagramm.JPG
     
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    While taking this at work, I scored as an ISTP. Taking it now more relaxed after work, I got INFJ lol
     
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    Guys, Quotev fixed their glitch and I had updated the test.
    The scoring point system changed a bit, specially on the extremes.
    I had also made some slight changes to INFJ in special since I have average for 9 INFJs now, so INFJ in specific got a little bit more precise.

    You are high on Openness and yet like predictability, order and routine?
    Well, I generally say that is inconsistent self-reporting, but I had a small revision direct on the IPIP Neo keys and it is consistent if you are a J, so actually in the end this doesn't have much to do with type 9, I think.

    Its a shame you didnt saved because I had fixed the pointing systems and now 80-100th agreeableness no longer gives extra points to ENFP and ISFJ, and now the most agreeableness ones are basically all NFs + ISFJ instead, with all Fs except ESFP coming right after. I think that this time perhaps you would get INFJ.

    I think the test you took is a bad one.
    There are too much high enneagram results, some very different from each other like 8 and 9. You cannot really draw any significant conclusion from the result you post.

    I think the best enneagram test is this one:
    http://pstypes.blogspot.com/2009/11/pstypes-enneagram-test.html

    I also had created a enneagram test, but I consider the other one better:
    https://www.quotev.com/quiz/12892442/Enneagram-Personality-Test

    And a friend of mine from the other forum created a reasonable enneagram test as well:
    https://quiz.tryinteract.com/#/5e20ce6d4af2390014d932f9

    After you take some good bunch of tests on enneagram, I do suggest you reading the profiles and to consider not only the descriptions, but also fears and motivations.
     
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    Thanks for the links.
    Unfortunately I find it very difficult to do these tests because my language is German and I always had to look up the subtleties and differences of the words and questions used. With me it is often due to the interpretation of individual questions whether I am recognized as a 4 or 5 type. The same is the case with the MBTI tests. Also there I often cannot decide.
    Well, I think that is actually right. If I only had one type of behavior, wouldn't I be narrow-minded?
    That would totally contradict my openness.
    If I were to consider all these character traits as tools, it would be stupid to do without individual tools for my work. And since I always think before I act, I can choose which tool I will use to get the best result. This is also the case with the MBTI features. For me, the last two letters are tools that I use as needed. Maybe one should add another letter, for people who can adapt dynamically to the requirements and don't get stuck like stubborn goats because they can't use their logic head or their feeling head? :wink:
     
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    Well, English isnt my first language too, but my native language is not German! But I have no problems with reading and comprehension (listening, grammar... these are problematic for me. And I hate grammar in any language).

    What you said is something I was commenting with @Jonh K earlier on the thread.
    There is an interesting but long and in English article that talks about biogenic, sociogenic and idiogenic factors while addressing personality.
    Sociogenic factors are "things" from society that presses you to behave differently, and is related to the changes you do to yourself in order to fit the society you living in.
    Idiogenic factors are "things" from our projects that presses us to change. For example, extraverts need to be less extravert while having to study for an exam, unless they got someone to study with. This relates to school and work demands in general that are related to your, let's say, goals (it isn't restricted to only goals).
    Biogenic factors comes from a scheme/perspective where people are soulless (the soul does not exist) and all your traits are justified from your genes and a few chemical stuff. This is the, let's say, the "real you". This can be adapted into a soulfully scheme/perspective as well.
    This is the resume of it, the article is deeper.

    But MBTI does make room for people who do not have clear preferences, at least the official one, plus for Jung typology Ni-dom with no specific pair is possible, also. I also do think that pure types, in any system, should be very rare or that perhaps pure types doesn't really exist.
     
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