Are we as a society being kept from discussing the big issues?
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Please watch this. Watch this with an open mind. Use no judgement just watch it and see if it makes sense to you. Does it add up or is it bullshit? You decide. It's a long one but one that is very worth watching. It really made me think of the world I live in in a different light. And made me realize that those people long ago may have been smarter than we would like to believe them to be. I wonder if you will feel the way I did after you watch it. It's three plus hours I have watched it several times and did some google earthing myself just to see if he was correct...
Take your time, muir. I really want to hear what you think.
In the meantime, though, I think people have a right to discern what to them is real or isn't and to ask questions. You must understand a lot of the material you post presupposes prior knowledge and requires people to fill in a lot of blanks and as such, doesn't always appeal to reason. You're also communicating a lot of subject matter that is taboo and upsetting to a lot of people. Indeed, I won't deny that many of your views strike me as being problematic, but because you're at least civil, lack any influence, and are not outright hurting anyone just by having an opinion, I also cannot deny the opportunity to try and understand what makes you think the way you think. I have never personally encountered anyone with opinions like yours and who was willing to talk about it.
That doesn't mean I don't understand the frustration many people feel. I hope you do too. Speak as plainly and clearly as you can and answer their questions and consider their perspectives as well. Even if they're arguing with you, I'm pretty certain that the other people that are in this thread want to know why you believe what you believe too.
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No sense of humor? Did I offend?
No sense of humor? Did I offend?
By using my own country as a case study I am showing how the aristocracy that formed the ruling elite in my country for hundreds of years have also been the heads of freemasonry in my country for hundreds of years
I'm saying regardless of whether or not anyone here thinks it works it is used by the power elite
The clips i posted earlier look at how corporate logos are often occult symbols. Lets say you are a magician and you want to sell lots of your product you may make a talisman and charge it energetically, for exmaple your company logo
It has been used for millenia
We are here on this MBTI forum because of the work of Jung. Jung was heavily into the occult
There is also enneagram stuff on this site. that came from a mystic Gurdjieff who claimed he got it from an occult order called the 'sarmoung brotherhood'
Its even there in the bible...moses has a magickal battle with the pharoahs high priests. Both sides are using the same qabalistic technology. In the story Moses was brought up in the egyptian royal family...he was raised on a diet of qabalistic magick the same as the preists
French magician Eliphas Levi says moses transmitted the tarot down to the hebrews
The tarot cards are qabalistic. Forget anything some new ager tries to tell you that they are about some sort of fluff...they are qabalistic
You know how one area that conspiracy theorists get quite excited about online is popular culture for example movies and music?
Well if you think hypothetically for a moment that there is a cabalistic cabal trying to control society using methods passed down through secret mystery schools amongst the elite over centuries but traceable back to ancient sumeria then wouldn't it stand to reason that they would want to control popular culture as what better way would their be to get inot the minds of the masses?
Particularly children would be very easy to reach through popular culture
I know saying that doesn't prove anything but i hope it shows that if we can build the scaffold of proof upto a point where you cansee that there is a cabal then from there it would simply be logical that that cabal would then aim to control certain areas of life
Its documented fact that the CIA infiltrated the mianstream media for example in operation mockingbird. They are interested in anything that gets a big audience. if that thing or person that is getting a big audience is saying a message counter to their message then they will silence them and there are many examples of people who ahve been assassinated whilst trying to fight the good fight
Why wouldnt they also want to control the film industry and the music industry....they'd be stupid not to...and these guys are not stupid....they are diabolically clever
You hear peopel sometimes saying the politicians are idiots....well yeah...the politicians are just the middle management. they come and they go but the real management is always there in the shadows and they are not idiots. Whats more they have an understanding of human psychology that has been gathered and refined over thousands of years. They have mastered the art of control
But just as there is the sith...there is also the jedi (star wars was a deeply qabalistic film)
The proofs in the pudding. They have successfully sat on humanity for millenia. Whatever they are doing...its extremely potent
So lets look at another case study: Hitler. Everyone knows his regime were masters of propaganda...but where did it all come from?
Behind hitler in the shadows were certain occult orders that high ranking nazis were members of for example the Thule society and behind that was the germanorden. These groups claimed lineage from the templars and were heavily influenced by things like ariosophy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariosophy
You know the swastika yeah? Its a magickal symbol. He swapped it round to invert it. In a lot of nazi propaganda they mentioned the teutonic knights to work on the imaginations of people. The teutonic knights were an offshoot of the templars
The swastika is their magickally charged talisman. The black sun. There are all sorts of alcehemical associations to the black sun. The nazis formed a new chivalric order of knights called the SS. Each SS member was given a skull and crossed bones ring which is obviously a masonic/templar symbol.
The headquarters of the SS was wewelsberg castle where a council of the top ranking 12 would meet like a coven. On the floor of their meeting place was a black sun:
So out of all the carnage what was achieved?
The state of israel came into being. the bankers who had bankrolled all the governments with war loans got very rich, the corporations that supplied all the equipment got very rich and the dollar became the worlds reserve currency at the Bretton woods conference
not a good situation for the millions of people of all races and religions who got butchered in that conflict...but a very good outcome for the bankers
When you think about the turn around of germany from being heavily penalised after WW1 to bounce back and challenge many of the worlds most powerful countries and almost win within a 20 year time frame...the nazis were obviously working with some pretty potent stuff as well
Because we all use it. We are all magicians. It is about creating change in accordance with will. Working with the subconscious mind is just part of this
Because i am a couple of handshakes away from some very high up people
Its all magick...NLP, psychology, MBTI etc its all magick. So does it work?
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Well, then you didn't read the post, because it said Korean Air. Nice try though.
How do I feel about the rothschilds? Nothing much, really... similar to how I feel about the freemasons. I've met a few freemasons in person, though, and, well, let's just say this is one point where your view of reality and my view of reality diverge drastically.
I suppose you're really asking whether or not I support a large banking cabal that wreaks worldwide havoc. Hard to answer that question, since I don't think it exists (well, certainly not to the degree you say) and it is hard to feel much about something you don't think exists. No, I'm not jewish, but I recognize bigotry when I see it and I don't like it. I also don't really think magic (or magic with a K) exists, except for the fact life is magic. Finally, I wasn't attacking you, I was actually attacking some of the links you post since they are patently insane.
I think the fact that this thread exists and you are not currently being tailed by a drone should be sufficient proof that we as a society are NOT being kept from discussing the big issues.
(wait... ARE you currently being tailed by a drone?)
By using my own country as a case study I am showing how the aristocracy that formed the ruling elite in my country for hundreds of years have also been the heads of freemasonry in my country for hundreds of years
I'm saying regardless of whether or not anyone here thinks it works it is used by the power elite
The clips i posted earlier look at how corporate logos are often occult symbols. Lets say you are a magician and you want to sell lots of your product you may make a talisman and charge it energetically, for exmaple your company logo
It has been used for millenia
We are here on this MBTI forum because of the work of Jung. Jung was heavily into the occult
There is also enneagram stuff on this site. that came from a mystic Gurdjieff who claimed he got it from an occult order called the 'sarmoung brotherhood'
Its even there in the bible...moses has a magickal battle with the pharoahs high priests. Both sides are using the same qabalistic technology. In the story Moses was brought up in the egyptian royal family...he was raised on a diet of qabalistic magick the same as the preists
French magician Eliphas Levi says moses transmitted the tarot down to the hebrews
The tarot cards are qabalistic. Forget anything some new ager tries to tell you that they are about some sort of fluff...they are qabalistic
You know how one area that conspiracy theorists get quite excited about online is popular culture for example movies and music?
Well if you think hypothetically for a moment that there is a cabalistic cabal trying to control society using methods passed down through secret mystery schools amongst the elite over centuries but traceable back to ancient sumeria then wouldn't it stand to reason that they would want to control popular culture as what better way would their be to get inot the minds of the masses?
Particularly children would be very easy to reach through popular culture
I know saying that doesn't prove anything but i hope it shows that if we can build the scaffold of proof upto a point where you cansee that there is a cabal then from there it would simply be logical that that cabal would then aim to control certain areas of life
Its documented fact that the CIA infiltrated the mianstream media for example in operation mockingbird. They are interested in anything that gets a big audience. if that thing or person that is getting a big audience is saying a message counter to their message then they will silence them and there are many examples of people who ahve been assassinated whilst trying to fight the good fight
Why wouldnt they also want to control the film industry and the music industry....they'd be stupid not to...and these guys are not stupid....they are diabolically clever
You hear peopel sometimes saying the politicians are idiots....well yeah...the politicians are just the middle management. they come and they go but the real management is always there in the shadows and they are not idiots. Whats more they have an understanding of human psychology that has been gathered and refined over thousands of years. They have mastered the art of control
But just as there is the sith...there is also the jedi (star wars was a deeply qabalistic film)
The proofs in the pudding. They have successfully sat on humanity for millenia. Whatever they are doing...its extremely potent
So lets look at another case study: Hitler. Everyone knows his regime were masters of propaganda...but where did it all come from?
Behind hitler in the shadows were certain occult orders that high ranking nazis were members of for example the Thule society and behind that was the germanorden. These groups claimed lineage from the templars and were heavily influenced by things like ariosophy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariosophy
You know the swastika yeah? Its a magickal symbol. He swapped it round to invert it. In a lot of nazi propaganda they mentioned the teutonic knights to work on the imaginations of people. The teutonic knights were an offshoot of the templars
The swastika is their magickally charged talisman. The black sun. There are all sorts of alcehemical associations to the black sun. The nazis formed a new chivalric order of knights called the SS. Each SS member was given a skull and crossed bones ring which is obviously a masonic/templar symbol.
The headquarters of the SS was wewelsberg castle where a council of the top ranking 12 would meet like a coven. On the floor of their meeting place was a black sun:
So out of all the carnage what was achieved?
The state of israel came into being. the bankers who had bankrolled all the governments with war loans got very rich, the corporations that supplied all the equipment got very rich and the dollar became the worlds reserve currency at the Bretton woods conference
not a good situation for the millions of people of all races and religions who got butchered in that conflict...but a very good outcome for the bankers
When you think about the turn around of germany from being heavily penalised after WW1 to bounce back and challenge many of the worlds most powerful countries and almost win within a 20 year time frame...the nazis were obviously working with some pretty potent stuff as well
Because we all use it. We are all magicians. It is about creating change in accordance with will. Working with the subconscious mind is just part of this
Because i am a couple of handshakes away from some very high up people
Its all magick...NLP, psychology, MBTI etc its all magick. So does it work?
who could possibly argue against this?
Muir... are you saying you're the whistleblower for the new (and occult) world order? Have you by chance signed away any of your rights or possessions to these people you're working with? You've succeeded in getting me somewhat worried now.
Why don't you tell us who these people are then, and how you know this works? Without youtube videos?
Wait what did i try at? The post said 'korean air'...well yeah....maybe if korean air were called southern korean air then it would have avoided the mix up
I've met some lovely freemasons
The whole organisation is compartmentalised. You know...it is split into degrees....thats like a ranking
The higher up you go the more you learn but you are vetted as you go up to make sure you are on board witht he agenda or at least mouldable
The lower guys in the first few degrees are told didly squat
Ok so you DO think it exists, just not to the degree i say. ok that's good to know
if you stopped projecting what you want reality to be onto reality instead of actually listening to what i say you would know that i have got nothing against jews (unless they are working for the cabal in which case i feel the same way about them as i feel about the non jews who work for the cabal)
But i know you just like playing that race card as a way to try and discredit me. But those that are following what is being said will see the truth regarding that
Well yes...that's the point...its all magick
No what you seem to do is support all the things i speak out against
For example recently you brought the polio vaccine into a discussion that had nothing to do with the polio vaccine and of course the conspiracy world believes that the cabal is forcing all these vaccines on us (they own big pharma)
It doesn't really work like that....yet
Its more that they use computer algorithms that are like fishing nets trawled through the sea. these algorithms trawel the internet for KEYWORDS. So for example they might pick up a word like 'zionism' and then that would be passed onto a caseworker to examine
If the caseworker deemed it important enough they would then allocate an agent of dispersion to that source to try and disrupt whatever they didn't want being discussed
I have sworn no oaths. I can say what i please
I don't work for any people and this stuff i'm talking about is flooding out there all over the internet from many different people. Its being talked about by more and more people
If you believe in a more equal society like i do then you believe that information belongs to everyone and shouldn't be hoarded by the elites
if you're interested in the popular culture angle the 'vigilant citizen' website says some interesting things:
http://vigilantcitizen.com/
Muir, I brought the polio vaccine up in that thread because it was about medical intervention and people's avoidance of it on ethical and religious grounds. I actually know the person who got polio, in the US. Polio exists, every bit as much as big pharma does. I didn't even know you spoke out against it (although I am completely and totally unshocked that you do). You didn't even have any bearing on that post whatsoever and it wasn't directed to you at all. And do you think I'm an agent of dispersion just because I don't agree with you? It seems you are insinuating that.
It's like Chomsky all over again. I am in very highbrow company now.
But, who is it you're a few handshakes away from? I am very curious to know what group you're involved with that successfully uses magic on this level.
It's like Chomsky all over again. I am in very highbrow company now.
But, who is it you're a few handshakes away from? I am very curious to know what group you're involved with that successfully uses magic on this level.
Well i think youre less likely to be an agent of dispersion because although you are trying to discredit me personally and not just what i say, you are at least asking some questions. Some other people are just trying to shut the whole discussion down
I have spoken out about vaccines yeah
There have been a lot of deaths and injury resulting from various vaccines and preceeding a lot of vaccination drives there has often been a lot of fear mongering in the mainstream media
Creating vaccines is big business right?
Our government bought tons and tons of the tamiflu vaccine during the whole swine flu scare. But the problem with virus's is that they mutate. So in no time at all the vaccines are out of date and useless....but big pharma gets to take a big chunk of our taxpayers money
Perhaps the money would be better spent on boosting the immune systems of children instead by ending poverty and subsidising organic food?
It's not that the government isn't lying, it's that you're making absolutely outrageous claims and then backing them up with excessive amounts of information with sketchy connections to the original topic. You don't know for sure that there were NEVER WMDs in Iraq, you don't know for sure that the Sarin gas attacks were carried out by the US, and the thing is neither of those two subjects relates to your original statement that we're being led away from
genuine news!
You have no idea what you are even talking about... you have completely misinterpreted these ideas and you do not even care. It only becomes a debate because you make so many outrageous claims that are just blatantly wrong or misinterpreted and then you change the subject or throw in more BS videos and half-truths and outright lies about different subjects instead of focusing on a single topic. There is just no way to debate you on these claims because the second I do you will change the topic to something else or accuse me of being a shill or something. And you do it for pages and pages until the whole thread is about you. You ARE pummeling people. Even if you think you are just spreading truth, you cannot deny that you are incapable of expressing succinct, focused points that demonstrate your opinion on a single topic... because if you did, it would be possible for people to pick apart each aspect of the narrative that holds your perspective together. But instead you throw out more and more and more until it is impossible to respond. And now you are accusing me of manipulating you! It is absolutely ridiculous.
I cannot disagree with any of this... I have already spent multiple posts trying to get you to focus on one point and respond to it, and so far you have not even approached a response. It IS my fault... but that is NOT what I am trying to say. I am trying to say that your tidal waves of information are impossible to respond to... and not because people are not informed enough, but because you post so MUCH of it that it is impossible for ANYONE to vertify EVERYTHING that you are saying. It is the same tactic that propagandists use... and if you want to find the truth then this is not the way to do it.
What are the issues here, exactly?
There are so many issues in this thread that it is impossible to respond to any of it.
That is, once again, my point.
And the ridicule was demonstrating my point... and it is exactly what you are doing by posting all of this stuff.
No, it is not about winning or losing... but if you are not willing to consider that you might not be using sound tactics to prove your points, then that suggests you are not interested in the truth or finding a fair and balanced perspective.