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One of my favorite scenes. It's all so relatable, especially if you've worked in a creative field.
The clashing of strong personalities.
The desire for recognition when you're still low(er) on the totem.
Subordinating your personal life because you can't let the work go.
Fighting and screaming at each other.
Hurt feelings.
All of it, really
The clashing of strong personalities.
The desire for recognition when you're still low(er) on the totem.
Subordinating your personal life because you can't let the work go.
Fighting and screaming at each other.
Hurt feelings.
All of it, really
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One of the best quotes in the show in a long list of great quotes.
I think this scene is relatable to people in many different careers -- long hours, giving up personal time, desiring recognition when others won't give it, those with seniority taking credit, and a family that doesn’t understand. Creative careers are worse because creative ideas are often more personal.
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This is one reason the show is rewatchable. Someone on Reddit posted this.
Major S5 (E12) Spoilers. If you haven’t seen Season 5, skip this.
Major S5 (E12) Spoilers. If you haven’t seen Season 5, skip this.
Lane holding his neck. Mets pennant pointing at the coat and hat that resembles a hanged man. Met means “death” (or dead, dead man) in Hebrew. Composition boxes Lane in.
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Can't say that I'd wanna rewatch it. But I don't regret seeing every episode for the first time.
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Season 3 Episode 13.
Rewatched the episode where Lane fires everyone and they start SCDP. This may be my favorite episode in the entire series. The episode had a heist movie vibe as they scheme and set up their skeleton agency over the weekend. We get to see, one by one, who will stay on the show.
Additional fun moments:
Trudy calling Pete when he begins misbehaving during his meeting with SCDP. (He doesn't go to her.)
Paul Kinsey's reaction when he realizes he was left behind is priceless. He did it to himself by being (an annoying and pompous try hard) and failing to write that idea down before his big meeting with Don and Peggy.
Rewatched the episode where Lane fires everyone and they start SCDP. This may be my favorite episode in the entire series. The episode had a heist movie vibe as they scheme and set up their skeleton agency over the weekend. We get to see, one by one, who will stay on the show.
Additional fun moments:
Trudy calling Pete when he begins misbehaving during his meeting with SCDP. (He doesn't go to her.)
Paul Kinsey's reaction when he realizes he was left behind is priceless. He did it to himself by being (an annoying and pompous try hard) and failing to write that idea down before his big meeting with Don and Peggy.
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Last year in the summer is when I binged on all episodes for my first time.
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My 1965 copy of the "Better Homes and Gardens New Cook Book" that looks similar to what gets shown on "Mad Men" in season 4, episode 2.
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@StarryEyedDreamer - What a dream!!!!! That’s a really nice copy. I learned to cook with that book. I’ve been cooking, cleaning, doing laundry, etc, since I was 7 or 8.
I saw a copy in a used book store last year for only $5 and... did NOT buy it. I'm kicking myself. I knew it was a bargain, but I didn't feel like buying anything. (They sell for $$$ online.) I have a paperback version from the 90s, but it isn't the same. I have no use for most of them now because my diet doesn’t align with ¾ of the book, but I still miss having it on my shelf.
My grandmother also had a similar BHaG gardening book. (Pics from internet, not mine.)
I saw a copy in a used book store last year for only $5 and... did NOT buy it. I'm kicking myself. I knew it was a bargain, but I didn't feel like buying anything. (They sell for $$$ online.) I have a paperback version from the 90s, but it isn't the same. I have no use for most of them now because my diet doesn’t align with ¾ of the book, but I still miss having it on my shelf.
My grandmother also had a similar BHaG gardening book. (Pics from internet, not mine.)
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Since the age of 8, I've been cooking. The conclusion was that I'm very picky at liking food. Which is why I cooked food on my own.
Despite being organized, I hate cleaning, especially clothes. I started cleaning a few years after being 8.
Paperback books are not that efficient. Ringbound books have pages that stay flat. You don't need to have extra material that holds them down.
My diet consists of protein milkshakes, multivitamin pills, collagen pills, vegetables, cake, sushi, cookies, the traditional spaghetti and meatballs on my birthday, etc.
Your grandmother's "Better Homes and Gardens Garden Book" is great if that's what she had. As a bookworm, I've sought out many different books. Finding what your grandmother read was worth it. I wish it was digitally saved on Archive.org. I'm probably going to invest in a digital scanner that archives my 1965 "Better Homes and Gardens New Cook Book" in PDF format on Archive.org.
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In Season 6, Episode 1 "The Doorway," Don is reading Dante's Inferno. This sets the pattern for the rest of the series. Understanding this helps viewers get through the last two seasons, particularly the second half of Season 7, which is a train wreck and includes some of the least popular storylines and characters in the series.
In the final episode of the series, Don reaches the Devil... the very worst part where he is a complete mess. We see his breakthrough, and then we see the outcome. He "sees the stars" (The Coca Cola ad) signaling hope as he makes his ascent out of the inferno. Using this pattern, the ending is not as ambiguous as fans argue. The Coca Cola ad signals the stars at the end of Dante's story, and we know Don is on the rise out of hell. It’s easy to imagine Don’s positive future using this pattern.
Some fans think Peggy is the star of the show and that she made the Coca Cola ad. No! This is Don’s story. This is Don's journey through hell and back.
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The Clio-winning (2009 recognition) Hilltop commercial was recognized in the industry as one of the first to focus on emotion rather than what the product is and does. The point of the commercial was supposed to be unity. Was McCann Erickson monetizing a movement? Yes. Was Don Draper monetizing his experience at the retreat? Also yes. ...But the commercial focuses on emotions—something Don focuses on throughout the series (such as with Carousel) and something that makes him a genius in advertising. Unfortunately, this caused major problems with Hershey because Don was falling apart in the chaos of Season 6 when Dante's Inferno makes it appearance.
I do not believe Mad Men is religious. Dante's Inferno is used as a literary device.
Here's a simple map of Dante's Inferno. It covers the major vices of Mad Men.
In the final episode of the series, Don reaches the Devil... the very worst part where he is a complete mess. We see his breakthrough, and then we see the outcome. He "sees the stars" (The Coca Cola ad) signaling hope as he makes his ascent out of the inferno. Using this pattern, the ending is not as ambiguous as fans argue. The Coca Cola ad signals the stars at the end of Dante's story, and we know Don is on the rise out of hell. It’s easy to imagine Don’s positive future using this pattern.
Some fans think Peggy is the star of the show and that she made the Coca Cola ad. No! This is Don’s story. This is Don's journey through hell and back.
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The Clio-winning (2009 recognition) Hilltop commercial was recognized in the industry as one of the first to focus on emotion rather than what the product is and does. The point of the commercial was supposed to be unity. Was McCann Erickson monetizing a movement? Yes. Was Don Draper monetizing his experience at the retreat? Also yes. ...But the commercial focuses on emotions—something Don focuses on throughout the series (such as with Carousel) and something that makes him a genius in advertising. Unfortunately, this caused major problems with Hershey because Don was falling apart in the chaos of Season 6 when Dante's Inferno makes it appearance.
I do not believe Mad Men is religious. Dante's Inferno is used as a literary device.
Here's a simple map of Dante's Inferno. It covers the major vices of Mad Men.
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When Don is on leave, we see Freddy pitch an idea to Peggy and the pitch seems far superior to anything "old fashioned" Freddy thought up in the past. At this point in the show, ambitious Peggy has power and (frankly) she's full of herself. She is wowed by Freddy's pitch, but smugly changes it. Her line isn't as good and it misses the point of the pitch. Freddy: It isn't a timepiece, it's a conversation piece. Peggy: It's time for a conversation.
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Freddy: This isn't just a watch. This is a high quality timepiece people will notice.
Peggy: We need to talk.
Lou doesn't like the pitch. Lou is a stick in the mud and as long as he's at the helm, SC&P won't be accused of cutting edge ideas, but Peggy presses him with her version of the tag line, "It's time for a conversation." Lou gets annoyed and bored. Peggy grows frustrated because she knows Freddy's idea was good, but even when she blurts Freddy's original line, her attitude tells us she thinks her tagline is superior. In reality, it probably crashed the pitch. "It's time for a conversation" sounds like the person viewing the commercial is in trouble. It sounds unhappy. Freddy's pitch sounds alluring.
We see Freddy in Don's apartment. Freddy calls Don "Cyrano." This tells us that Freddy is feeding SC&P Don's ideas. The watch pitch was Don's. The pitch showed off Don's skills. Peggy was so full of herself that she couldn't recognize greatness and it tanked the whole idea.
We see her ego during the Rosemary's Baby pitch, too. She wants that Clio and thinks her idea will win one. She doesn't care that the idea went tens of thousands over budget. (Budget was something like $15 thou and her idea was $50 thou.)
It seems like fans miss that Don and Freddy are working together and Don is writing the copy. Fans are also blinded by their adoration of Peggy.
I'm not a Peggy fangirl. She's a strong and interesting character, and I appreciate the character, but I don't overlook her many flaws. She isn't a better person than other characters, nor is she the most talented.
Vibes:
Freddy: This isn't just a watch. This is a high quality timepiece people will notice.
Peggy: We need to talk.
Lou doesn't like the pitch. Lou is a stick in the mud and as long as he's at the helm, SC&P won't be accused of cutting edge ideas, but Peggy presses him with her version of the tag line, "It's time for a conversation." Lou gets annoyed and bored. Peggy grows frustrated because she knows Freddy's idea was good, but even when she blurts Freddy's original line, her attitude tells us she thinks her tagline is superior. In reality, it probably crashed the pitch. "It's time for a conversation" sounds like the person viewing the commercial is in trouble. It sounds unhappy. Freddy's pitch sounds alluring.
We see Freddy in Don's apartment. Freddy calls Don "Cyrano." This tells us that Freddy is feeding SC&P Don's ideas. The watch pitch was Don's. The pitch showed off Don's skills. Peggy was so full of herself that she couldn't recognize greatness and it tanked the whole idea.
We see her ego during the Rosemary's Baby pitch, too. She wants that Clio and thinks her idea will win one. She doesn't care that the idea went tens of thousands over budget. (Budget was something like $15 thou and her idea was $50 thou.)
It seems like fans miss that Don and Freddy are working together and Don is writing the copy. Fans are also blinded by their adoration of Peggy.
I'm not a Peggy fangirl. She's a strong and interesting character, and I appreciate the character, but I don't overlook her many flaws. She isn't a better person than other characters, nor is she the most talented.