Vaping and Its Associated Health Risks

I never smoked, except for about a week this October. I bought a twelve pack of Hamlet cigarellos out of curiosity and smoked them all.

It's enjoyable, there's no question, and a great affectation for the style conscious, but not so enjoyable that it's worth the risks.

Personally I think we ought to try to phase-in some cooler affectations, like canes or hats, and people could take a 5-minute 'cane break' from work every hour where they'd go outside to practice caning each other.

In terms of legislating against this kind of thing, we have to decide how tolerant of death we are as balanced against personal freedom. I'm not sure this kid was aware that he would shag his lungs by doing what he did, and so obviously there's a place for the paternalistic kind of public health measures that have been keeping our sweets free of Prussian blue since the 19th century.

I'm sure there are engineering solutions to the problem - backed by regulation - such as the vape device only being fillable with a certain type of canister with unique seals, &c.

Otherwise you can't stop people from doing things which they know are dumb, and perhaps nor should we.

Most of the people that were affected by it, bought THC cartridges obviously off random people or what some would say “black market” or drug dealers (whatever you get what I mean). A lot of cases have shown that there’s either cyanide or vitamin E , yeah vitamin E’s not bad until you turn it Into an oil and inhale it. I think it’s due to people not buying from dispensaries and just trusting whoever they get their normal bud from. The THC cartridges were tested free of vitamin E and cyanide. But obviously when you buy it from some random person. Not the smartest choice you can make. How would you know what they put into it? I just hope more people are careful.

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Personally I think we ought to try to phase-in some cooler affectations, like canes or hats, and people could take a 5-minute 'cane break' from work every hour where they'd go outside to practice caning each other.

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Couldn’t agree more, splendid idea

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Personally I think we ought to try to phase-in some cooler affectations, like canes or hats, and people could take a 5-minute 'cane break' from work every hour where they'd go outside to practice caning each other.

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I was actually going to do a vlog on this tonight on Bitchute.

I quit smoking and vaping October 7th. 41 days ago.

Now, here's the thing.

1. No one can force you to quit smoking. You have to find your own reasons and do it yourself. Period. No PSA should ever tell you to quit. Fuck the ads our government puts out, and their programs. Fuck the warning labels on cigarette packs. None of that matters. Again, you gotta find those reasons in your own inner self. Not a cigarette pack, not a PSA on the radio. It's all you.

2. Anti smoking folks try to scare kids into not smoking and vaping. This is simply ineffective. Attacking big tobacco and painting the picture that EVERY smoker will die from lung cancer, and have a voice box because of throat cancer is a lie. Not to mention, the consequences if your school or parents find out.

Yes, smokers die every day from cancer. 20% of smokers get clinically apparent COPD. On the other hand, my grandma's best friend is 92, and has alzheimers. Not cancer, not COPD. alzheimers. Completely natural at that age.

Putting out that kind of bullshit makes kids rebel. Kids are smart enough to know not every smoker gets major health issues. So what do they do? Start smoking. It's almost like a dare.

Smoking and vaping is a way of saying fuck the school, fuck our parents, this is my life.

Perhaps if we allowed RESPONSIBILITY individually it wouldn't look so cool.

Germany you can drink at any age really. It's not frowned upon at all to have a beer at home. How many kids die from alcohol poisoning there? Not many compared to the states.

My parents let me drink responsibly. A beer at dinner sometimes. Did I have any desire to get drunk, to fit into the party scene? None at all. Because if I had the choice of having a beer at home vs getting stupid drunk, the latter choice didn't allure to me based on that fact. I had no reason to get stupid drunk.

In the US? Drinking is the rebellious thing to do. It's a kids game to steal alcohol, find a party with all the booze in the world. what happens? a small fraction drink their fucking guts rotten, and die. Big consequence to pay for a little rebellion.

Instead of responsibly drinking a beer at the local bar, you had to get drunk off your ass. It's a shame really

Same principles apply to vaping

3. Ridiculous government regulations

Making cigarettes $12 a pack accomplishes nothing. The money is supposed to go schools, our roads, all that right?

That's why I paid that much for a pack. Schools are still as shitty as they were before, Californians still drive on the most fucked up roads in the nation. That's why it costs $330 dollars to register my truck every year. Oh yeah, tax the shit out of us so you fucktards in Sacramento can get richer off a smokers dollar.

4. You have to be 21 to smoke in some states, and 18 to die for this country. I rest my case.

In conclusion, smoking is a deeply personal decision that should be that persons business and no one elses

5. Hijackings and smuggling

Trucks that carry cigarettes from factories to more expensive states are known to get hijacked.

Why? because "criminal" gangs will sell them for cheaper than a liquor store following all the government regulations will.

People smuggle all the time from cheaper states. Supposedly this hurts business.

No. Not really. Don't steal folks. the government hates competition!

Who are the real victims?

the poor bastard who just so happens to have a job driving trucks, whose particular bill of lading that day says cigarettes

Now, i'm not glorifying these gangs and cartels, but you know what they have in common with legit businesses? Supply and demand

If Gangbanger Adam can sell a pack for $7 in New York or California, what does he have in common with Apu from 7-11 down the street?

customers. Gangbanger Adam just receives his inventory a little more violently than Apu does.

How do we get rid of Adam?

Loosen the government regulations that drive him to violently obtain that inventory. AKA, not charging your arm, leg, and right nut for a pack of smokes.

$25 for a bottle of juice? bend over, uncle Sam's going in dry

Gadsden Mountain Ranch said:

Germany you can drink at any age really. It's not frowned upon at all to have a beer at home.

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Wrong

Gadsden Mountain Ranch said:

bend over, uncle Sam's going in dry

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Sandie33 said:

Quite the controversial topic in the news recently.

'A 17-year-old boy whose lungs were irreversibly damaged by vaping received a double-lung transplant at the Henry Ford Hospital in Detroit, a lifesaving measure taken when a patient’s own lungs are diseased or damaged beyond repair and there is no other hope of survival, doctors said on Tuesday.

Without the transplant, performed last month, the patient “would have faced certain death,” Dr. Hassan Nemeh, who led the surgical team, said during a news conference at the hospital.'

The rest of the story here:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ny...health/vaping-double-lung-transplant.amp.html

What are some of your thoughts regarding vaping?

Should notice be taken that individuals are filling these vaping devices with other substances besides the intended oils and liquids?

Should the companys and manufactures be penalised because the users found an alternate use for vaping devices and accessories?

Should traditional tobacco smokers continually be chastised for the "second-hand" smoke? Segregated outside, so others are not affected? Yet, Vapers inhale in stores, resturants, bars, schools, etc.??

Back to the news story about a 17 year old needing a double lung transplant for opting to use the vaping device for something other than its intended use...

Why?

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My little sister is 19 now, has been vaping since she was about 15. Kids put vape juices that contain up to 50mg (8mg are present in one cigarette) of nicotine, not only are they ruining their lungs but their also addicted to nicotine on a whole new level. I don't even want to think about the withdrawals these kids are going to have to deal with if they ever have the will to put down the vape. The parents are no better, not because it smells like strawberries or apple pie that it's harmless or intended for youth.

While this is obviously horrible, it's worth noting that food and swimming pools also kill people at noticeable rates.

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/5/5/99-0502_article
https://www.edgarsnyder.com/statistics/swimming-pool-statistics.html

I wouldn't ban vaping. I kind of hate it but it's people's choice. I am absolutely okay with warning labels on the stuff and ads for public awareness, and regulations to crack down on the illicit sellers mentioned in the article.

Speaking of that, it's weird that there are illicit sellers in any appreciable number for a drug that's legal. It also appears one brand was responsible for the latest outbreak, which isn't necessarily indicative of anything on its own, but I'd be interested to see if there were similar stats in the other outbreaks.

@Maikl Jexocuha In a way, you are right. But consider this: do the others not also have a right to not be involuntarily poisoned/affected by those who do?

The day that somebody doesn't abuse their freedom to excess is the day we don't have any.

Maikl Jexocuha said:

Oh sure...I don't mean not have any regulations, or public enforcement. I don't think you should drive or operate machinery on smoke or drugs, just like alcohol. I don't think kids should have access to this stuff- just like guns. When kids get access to drugs, tobacco, alchohol, or guns - that says more about the state of parenting and public guardianship than the state of legalization of a substance.

Don't get me wrong, substance abuse is a problem, and one that is more suited for mental health professionals rather than the government, in my opinion. Education and research, too, is much more helpful in guiding people to better choices. A flat out ban on anything doesn't teach anyone. And it restricts the ability to properly, thoroughly, research things.

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Banning it is the easy way, because when you legalise something instead or leave it as it is, regulations don't matter anymore. Whereas the regulations need to be stricter for it being legal. Smoking in public places has been prohibited in England before it swapped over to the continent. Afaik there are very few places left in London where you can smoke.

Hereabouts, for example at train stations, it's only allowed to smoke in the designated areas. Do you think that they keep to those?
How many people in the US have driven under the influence, just because they think they are still able?

sprinkles said:

The day that somebody doesn't abuse their freedom to excess is the day we don't have any.

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Well said

Ginny said:

Smoking in public places has been prohibited in England before it swapped over to the continent. Afaik there are very few places left in London where you can smoke.

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You can smoke outside anywhere except hospital grounds in London. A lot of pubs in central London are small so they don't have proper gardens/smoking areas but there's lot that do or at least have a few tables outside. Even the hospital grounds is sketchy because it isn't exactly clear where they start and end. But yeah, indoors, you can't smoke anywhere.

I'm not sure if @Sandie33 got her sources but it is true about the higher levels of nicotine in vapes. They don't even sell the lower nicotine 'juices' in most vape shops because there's just no demand for it. I was with my friend and he couldn't get anywhere. If you look at this site, for example, the first one I found, the cheap liquid (4 for £10) comes in 3-18mg strengths. In the shops, 9mg is the lowest and that wasn't even stocked so 18mg was the lowest you could actually buy there and then. Considering a nicotine patch for 20-or-more a day smokers is 21mg and that lasts for 72hrs, there's a difference there. Also, with a cigarette, you have to commit in a sense. With a vape, you're not going to get that feeling of 'I'm withdrawing enough to warrant a whole cigarette' when you can just have one or two puffs on the vape. Quitting smoking is at least possible to envisage. I know that after food and with alcohol will be difficult times but I'm also limited psychologically by not being allowed to smoke indoors. If it's raining, I can delay going out to smoke. With a vape which you can use indoors in many places still, and a higher concentration of nicotine, I would agree that quitting cold turkey will be much more difficult and most of the nicotine replacement products might be too weak to do much at all.

Sandie33 said:

Makes me fear my nebulizer

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your nebulizer uses sterile products of medical grade compounds. . it is very safe.
my issue with vaping is that it is simply another delivery system for a tobacco product. The industry developed it in response to the societal crackdown on smoking. Society is shunning cigarette smokers, so they needed another, more acceptable way to get their tobacco out there. .targeting kids ensures another generation of people addicted to what they sell. Lungs are designed to exchange carbon dioxide for oxygen. . .not bring nicotine into the body. .
do I care if you smoke or vape?. . nope. . just don't do it around me. I have the right do not be around it, just as you have the right do imbibe. .

With the advent of nicotine replacement therapy, the consumption of the nicotine is on the rise. Nicotine is considered to be a safer alternative of tobacco. The IARC monograph has not included nicotine as a carcinogen. However there are various studies which show otherwise. We undertook this review to specifically evaluate the effects of nicotine on the various organ systems. A computer aided search of the Medline and PubMed database was done using a combination of the keywords. All the animal and human studies investigating only the role of nicotine were included. Nicotine poses several health hazards. There is an increased risk of cardiovascular, respiratory, gastrointestinal disorders. There is decreased immune response and it also poses ill impacts on the reproductive health. It affects the cell proliferation, oxidative stress, apoptosis, DNA mutation by various mechanisms which leads to cancer. It also affects the tumor proliferation and metastasis and causes resistance to chemo and radio therapeutic agents. The use of nicotine needs regulation. The sale of nicotine should be under supervision of trained medical personnel.

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4363846/

Since vaping is pretty much smoking a diluted version of Nicotine; we come to a logical deduction that vaping is bad for your health; if you vape the same amount as multiple packs of cigarettes a day.
At least it's comes with a yummy selection of flavors. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Whatever that is anything synthetic might be a bigger risk to harm yoru health.